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This isn’t a clip from Jerry Springer. It’s actually from the Today Show. Nadya Suleman, who is apparently the only person in America who sees nothing wrong with being a single, broke mom with 14 genetically-manufactured kids, has a face-off with her mom, who is basically telling her she’s completely ridiculous for her decision to have 8 more children.

Watch the videos below. Who’s in the wrong here? Nadya’s mom, or Nadya? Maybe raising 14 kids on a super low budget isn’t as hard as we’re all thinking it is….

For 2024’s iteration of MadameNoire and HelloBeautiful’s annual series Women to Know, we knew we wanted to celebrate the people who help make the joys of film and television possible. To create art is to create magic. This year, we spotlight Hollywood Executive’s changing the face of cinema.