A car can only have 1 driver, and so too is the case with a relationship, if you wish to move forward. However, I think there has to be a balance, meaning what the man is strongest at, he lead on, and what the woman is strongest at, she lead on. That’s the most efficient way to proceed. This way you lean on who has the best knowledge and experience, in each situation, but that takes extreme ego-control, from both people. The problem with women, today, is the propaganda war tells them to defy the man, in all situations, to avoid being seen as submissive, in any way. That’s a problem, because these attempts, by women, are very emasculating, in nature. NO one is asking you to be a slave to a man, like they still do in rural china, but there are some stereotypical gender roles, that must be assumed too, in this day and age. If you don’t want to do that, and you want to be gender neutral, you screw up everything, and I don’t see how someone would commit to you, if you won’t submit to him. You mind as well be roommates and fuk buddies, but nothing more, if you’re not going to submit when it’s time to. If you’re too big-headed to do so, then be alone, and black dudes can take their brand of loving, somewhere else. A man is a man, and white men want this treatment too, so going to get yourself a white man will not remedy this situation.

Thats a great point not every man is worth the submission. But for me its not a form I can just turn on and off, Its how I naturally am from coming from a family where women were your “classic housewives”. As for me, I had to learn on my own an independence and I built a stronger attitude from all the pain that was brought to me by some men. I got hurt because I wasnt taught dont give and give to anyone you arent sure about, Sometimes you have to put on a selfish attitude to protect yourself. As time went on i learned on my own. But it seems that their are men out there who like their women to need them. I guess it will all come out when you finally find the one

“Another thing that I want to throw out is that if more men were more honest, loyal, and took the role as being a leader and provider more seriously in a relationship/family then perhaps more women would be willing to trust a man’s leadership and submit”

This passage is the key…THESE DAYS men don’t seem to be able to lead a puppy down the street on a leash, let alone a full grown woman…

I guess that’s why white women exist…

well I would have to look at both sides of the coin on this one. I agree with odoggz and princess, but I also think that somewhere down the line black men forgot how to lead. our mind set needs to change. too many black men going around making babies with multiple women and failing to provide for them. the influences such as music, encourages being promiscuous and not promoting the family structure.

I’m so glad that in my relationship we have a mutual understanding and clear expectations of how we vision our relationship because if I was single and had to choose from men with archaic ideas such as these….I would surely be out of luck. But if it works for you hey so be it!!

OHHHH HELL NOOOO

Too bad so many young brothas don’t have dads to look up to. Who’s teaching brothas from the get up on how to be this man? His mom? lol Seriously, the babies out of wedlock thing needs to be an old trend. We need to wait to have kids after marriage. These boys need men around to show them how to be mean on a DAILY basis. You’re only breeding confused boys with no man around. Then he gets older, and a woman is going to be saying the same thing about him. He ain’t this, he ain’t that. Stop contributing to the bullsh*t. Let’s try something new.

true enough, if a man knows how to “lead” hellyea i will follow, with no problem ; ) but uhhh if ure on some dumb ish and think im supposed to deal with it just because youre “THE MAN” keep it movin…..but many men these days don’t know how to be the kind of man a woman would want to submit to, a smart woman anyway…i hear monique does the open marriage thing anyway…if thats true then pfft wtf! that aint happening this way -out-

There are much more serious problems between black men and women to get to before this but that’s besides my point, which is. You can’t lead those that don’t want to be led why pretend. American black women submission mix like oil and water. The only time an american black woman will submit is if she’s desperate, or if your bank is attractive. It’s not about taking the role of a leader. All of these articles that questions the formula to a successful black relationship by realistic standards have the same answer. As black men we know the answer black women tell black men everyday in one virtue or another. American black women we’re raised to believe in and follow one thing and it wasn’t black men, black men are last on the list.

I agree with Monique about submitting to my husband. It’s God’s will and it’s wonderful. My husband is very humble when it comes to that. He actually had to be the one to get use to it, which I thought was adorable. But anyways, he is the Head of the Household and I respect him whole-heartly.

Very well said. It’s refreshing to hear two Black women talk that way.

I TRULY AGREE WITH MONIQUE…….I LOVE IT!!!!!

I agree with Mo! I have no problem per say submitting but as the article says not every man is to be submitted to. So until that man comes into my life, I’ll be good without the stress, lol.

SO WISH I CAN GET ME A SUBMISSIVE BLACK WOMAN WITH A NICE ASS AND EDUCATION SO I CAN SHOW MY 4 ROLES OF MAN HOOD LOL

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA f**k outta hea! MONIQUE with her HALF ASSED open relationship and her husband is the only one opening his legs and not just to her! i dont wanna hear that s**t im single cause NO MAN UNWORTHY OF controlling me or my situation or MY CASTLE is gonna control any of this! when i find one worthy of trusting and can do HIS role as a MAN them four MEN ROLES he said than i’ll SUBMIT AND SURRENDER! i know my role and i DO EVERYTHING TO PERFECTION if im not going to do it right than i dont do it at all!
women dont want to do it all, well some might but i dont…but i do,i do it all because i HAVE to i havent met a man yet that meets my criteria and im sure i dont meet some mens criteria thats why he over there and im over here! submitting is NOT a bad thing….when the right one is there!

HELL NO

NEVER!! I run this (sometimes) lol

Spoken like an overweight woman who has to give up some of herself just to have a man in her life. Enjoy! To each his own.

Wow! What does it say about a man to need a woman to submit to him to make him feel like a man? Its kind of weak in my opinion. Either you are a man or you are not. My standing as a full grown adult by your side shouldn’t diminish your manhood. If it does, then your standing as a man is questionable already. JMO

I AGREE WITH MONIQUE IN A WAY…I THINK IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS A WOMAN SHOULD LET A MAN BE DOMINATE OR TAKE THE LEAD…THEN IN OTHERS THE WOMAN SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THE LEAD. A RELATIONSHIP IS A GIVE & TAKE SITAUTION…NO ONE PERSON CAN OR SHOULD TAKE THE LEAD ALL THE TIME…ONE SHOULD KNOW THERE PLACE. AS FOR MONIQUES MARRIAGE I HAVE ALOT OF PROBS WITH THAT BS…I FEEL AS THO MONIQUE PORTRAYS HERSELF AS A CONFIDENT WOMAN WHEN SHES IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA BUT HAVING AN OPEN RELATIONSHIP IS DEFINATELY A SIGN OF HAVING LOW SELF ESTEEM. WHY I SAY THIS IS BECAUSE A WOMAN OR MAN WHOM WILLING SAYS ITS OK FOR THEIR PARTNER TO SLEEP OR HAVE ANY KIND OF RELATIONS WITH ANOTHER PERSON OUTSIDE OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP IS LACKING SELF CONFIDENCE & MAYBE THEY FEEL AS THO THEY DONT HAVE ALL OF WHAT IT TAKES TO KEEP THEIR PARTNER FROM STRAYING. WHY NOT JUST STAY SINGLE INSTEAD OF CONDONING THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR MONIQUE…YOUR SENDING A MSG TO WOMAN YOUNG & OLD THAT THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES TO KEEP A MAN…NAH I DONT THINK SO!!!

i believe that it’s ok to submit as long as you are comfortable with that role. Women like myself are not and i doubt if i ever will be. the idea of letting someone else be in charge of your destiny makes me ill. There are those who ask for a strong woman and when they get one they don’t know what to do with her! I do agree with monique though if you have a man that is worthy and able to be trusted then submit. A real man is not going to steer you wrong and if the caution lights start to flicker then step back and do you but sometimes it takes for you to have faith.

There is a control issue with women.. especially Black women. They don’t want no man tellin them nothin. These days females are taught that they can do anything a man can do. As if it’s a competition. A woman need to know her place biblically… if not there is always gonna be issues. Thats why you got so many black woman a lone. Of coarse there are other issues that go with that… But women today ain’t about to submit to nobody…

I’m 50 and have been thru 2 marriages. I don’t regret my marriages. Instead, I chalk it up as an experience in life. I still communicate with both ex’s periodically, as I have a desire to keep our friendship in tact. In a Bibliological sense a woman is always supposed to be submissive to a man. Man was put here to serve the Lord. The Lord put women here for the soul purpose of serving man. Women have a problem with this notion because they have assumed the role of a man, with respect to earning money and gaining stature. Regardless of a woman’s stature she is still on this earth to serve man. Man is the master orgasnism and therefore has to behave rational in taking a leading role. A man has to treat a woman as he would himself. He should not physically or psychologically abuse a woman. A man is strong and does not succ**b to drug or alcohol addiction. If he succ**bs to these substances then he can not function as a leader. In a marriage, especially under the New Covenant a man has to be willing to make the sacrifice of having sex with just one woman for as long as he is married to this woman.

Before a man marries he must be willing to accept and deal with routine. He will be dealing with this woman on a daily basis for the rest of his life. Having an affair with another woman during his marriage is not an option. He vowed and must abide by this vow throughout the entirety of the marriage. Infidelity is a daily challenge for a man in his marriage but he must make the sacrifice. Thinking of sex 24/7 is normal & healthy, for we are the result of sex and were put on this earth to sex. In essence it seems that man must conquer infidelity for his marriage to last and a woman must conquer non-submissiveness for the marriage to last.

“Too bad so many young brothas don’t have dads to look up to. Who’s teaching brothas from the get up on how to be this man? His mom? lol Seriously, the babies out of wedlock thing needs to be an old trend. We need to wait to have kids after marriage. These boys need men around to show them how to be mean on a DAILY basis. You’re only breeding confused boys with no man around. Then he gets older, and a woman is going to be saying the same thing about him. He ain’t this, he ain’t that. Stop contributing to the bullsh*t.

VERY WELL STATED!

“A car can only have 1 driver, and so too is the case with a relationship, if you wish to move forward. However, I think there has to be a balance, meaning what the man is strongest at, he lead on, and what the woman is strongest at, she lead on. That’s the most efficient way to proceed. This way you lean on who has the best knowledge and experience, in each situation, but that takes extreme ego-control, from both people.”

VERY WELL STATED!

The blind cannot lead the blind. It would be remiss of me to “play it down” in terms of my intellect, and leadership ability.

However, A SISTA DOES NOT HAVE TO “STEP OUT OF CHARACTER” to confirm that she is a FEmale. Males that are also “strong in their spot” would understand this. Woman DO look up to men, whether they openly admit this or not. If I “detect” that a male is lacking in what I consider “a given” and that I hold it within myself, chances are great that I would not want to pursue anything with him anyway. But to each his/er own!

What would a christian [they're sheep's] or a fat ass [ & they're vulnerable] know?

Ephesians 5:21-33
Wives and Husbands
22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

1 Corinthians 11:3
Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Every man is not worthy of submitting to. There are too many boys running around trying to impersonate men,but lack the common sense, self respect, integrity to really lead their family in a healthy and mature way. Allowing a man to lead should not include tolerating infedility, disrespect, abuse in any form (mental,physical, emotional,or verbal).I don’t have a problem with allowing a man to be a man,if he exhibits the characteristics of a real man, but again this does not mean that its ok to treat a woman like she is beneath you. If you are in a relationship she should be your partner, and you should respect her. Monique from her own mouth has an open marriage. Sorry but I will not submit to a man that considers me one of many options ,while he runs up in random chicks. She is faithful to him ,but he is not faithful to her so what kind of shyt is that? He has a pass to do whatever ,and she’s playing the sub,issove role to this guy. Its nopt difficult to get alomng with a man if you allow him to do whatever he wants .lol Can you say “unqually yolked”, and maybe down the line she’ll come to her senses and make a joke out of that situition that she is caught up in.

kudos @ NunyaBidniz … ‘dnt let me make u, as a man feel like a bytch cuhz then u proovin u a lil kid still’.i cant get outta character and cheat myself at my cost for sumone only givin 80% or less cuhz by me doin this is like im givin 100%+. ya digg???

@Paneiro1 Dont speak for all of us,there are still some of us submissive women well should I say black women out here that have no problems letting a man dominate, The problems come from the changing of times women learned they had more rights women kept fighting their way out of that lifestyle and now its like a battle. Personally I am submissive just because thats how it goes in our family, we take care of the house and husbands and he takes care of everything else and I think women who dont let men take control have better chances in relationships than I do because they are strong minded, they stand up for themselves, How can you be mad at that. Im not saying Im weak because Ive grown alot I had to teach myself to be independent as none of the women in my family are except one person my grandmother. I dont get men that say they want a strong black woman then get one and complain.

quoting bible verses telling women to submit to there husband has no effect nowadays. everybody on this BIG EGO trip. everybody wants the power, beauty, and attention. hey look at me i’m in a relationship and i’m in love, WHO GIVES A F**K?. does submitting to someone really mean they holding you back from something?. not unless you dating Ike Turner

What are the roles of the husband and wife in a family?”

Answer: Although males and females are equal in relationship to Christ, the Scriptures give specific roles to each in marriage. The husband is to assume leadership in the home (1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:23). This leadership should not be dictatorial, condescending, or patronizing to the wife, but should be in accordance with the example of Christ leading the church. “Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word” (Ephesians 5:25-26). Christ loved the church (His people) with compassion, mercy, forgiveness, respect, and selflessness. In this same way husbands are to love their wives.

Wives are to submit to the authority of their husbands. “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything” (Ephesians 5:22-24). Although women should submit to their husbands, the Bible also tells men several times how they are supposed to treat their wives. The husband is not to take on the role of the dictator, but should show respect for his wife and her opinions. In fact, Ephesians 5:28-29 exhorts men to love their wives in the same way that they love their own bodies, feeding and caring for them. A man’s love for his wife should be the same as Christ’s love for His body, the church.

“Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them” (Colossians 3:18-19). “Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers” (1 Peter 3:7). From these verses we see that love and respect characterize the roles of both husbands and wives. If these are present, then authority, headship, love, and submission will be no problem for either partner.

SO THEIR YOU HAVE IT.MEN PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING SAID ABOUT WOMEN BEING SUBMISSIVE.ALL TO OFTEN,THE WORD SUBMISSIVE COMING FROM A MAN IS A CONTORTED MEANING TOWARDS WOMEN.UNDERSTAND YOUR ROLE AS A TRUE MAN AND A REAL WOMEN WOULD NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM SUBMITTING TO YOU UNDER THE CIRC**STANCES THAT ARE STATED ABOVE ONLY.
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If men were taking on their role as they’re supposed to, I think women would have no problem becoming “submissive” to their men because it doesn’t feel like “submission” I think it turns into something more like a partnership. He mentioned if his wife is sick, he will take care of her. Most men I know want to be taken care of but don’t want to take care of what’s home. If partners in a relationship work together it I believe would generally turn into what they’re talking about.

If you gonna quote it … do it all … start with 21 … 21Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it
<<<<< Men must play their position(verse 25) then verses 22-24 happens naturally. Most men fail to meet the stand of verse 25 but want a woman to submit to lawlessness and adultry.

yeh thats all well and good but if thye man do not line up right and is a respectable man of god it also say’s in the bible that a woman dose not have to sabmit to that cus that is not the way the lord intended it

what if I am the breadwinner? What if he is not even on my level yet? (e.g. still trying to work towards his first degree, yet I hold a masters?) Allow him to call the shots with my money? I agree with those who are saying only to submit to those men who are worthy of it and are capable of leading the household. A man needs to get on his counterparty’s level first. Fortunately for me, my relationship consists of mutual respect so there are no issues regarding submission and its a good thing that he is fine that I am the “boss” lol.

if you dont allow a man to be a MAN your gonna CREATE A CULTURE\RACE OF B***H MEN WITH NO F**KING GUIDANCE or what IT IS TO BE A MAN. LOOK AT US NOW. You can’t be the MAN in the relationship if your a female in the relationship. if your with a good for nothing man then that is your fault! SUBMIT AND BE A F**KING FEMALE! you can still be strong but you need to be a WOMAN!!

If a woman CHOSES to be with a man NOT worty of submiting to, Iam not talking about money, Iam talking about HOW he is treating her, then, it is all good. Sometimes people pick the wrong person to submit to. THAT is a problem. We must first get ourselves together, men AND women, before linking up with anyone else. Many people carry a lot of un-needed baggage, and wonder why things do not work out.

Most women do not want to submit to men who want her to be his wife. If she doesnt want to submit, she shouldnt get marry or have relationship. That’s pitiful.

If you cannot trust a man, then you should not be with that man. If you cannot submit to the man you are with, you are with the wrong man. In the spiritual order of things we are expected to fill our roles as men and women. Out of man came woman. Man is to be the head of the woman, as Christ is the head of the church. Men that are not fulfilling theor roles should be bypassed. The truth, however, is that many women are compelled by things other than the spiritual or natural order of things, in regards to relationships.

Good luck with that one Mo.

You just made the enemies list of a lot of women who think a man should bend to their will. Damn , that’s all of them.

mo, would love to tell you where to stick that b.s. lol, just like your latest movie!! you suck! well u said be submissive!

FOR THOSE WHO ADDRESSED RELATIONSHIP SUBMISSIVENESS
Men want women to be submissive to them in many regards, it’s not about women being weak it’s about complimenting a mans masculinity with your femininity. Alot of women on here talk about men needing to be around other men to learn from, yet most women are raised by other women and learn nothing about femininity. It is a form of strength in its own right. What women should do( and this is ony a suggestion I really don’t care) Is compliment a man with your feminine strength and not try to compliment him with a sort of masculine strenghth. Your math is off(rather your equasion is) It doesn’t take a “strong man” to be with a “strong woman” You actually have to be less of a man otherwise you will always bump heads. For example If you “strong women” get on some civil rights sh@t in the bedroom it’s not gonna work for alot of men, that’s the most natural way I could explain it. If you don’t care about anything else in this comment just keep this with you. You want your man to be strong and take charge, and he wants you to be soft and sensitive and the two compliment each other so perfectly it actually creates life.

FOR THOSE WHO ADDRESSED FINANCIAL SUBMISSIVENESS
It’s as simple as this. If in todays society it’s a mans responsibility to provide for his family, and it’s a mans resposibilty to protect his family. He should hold the most merit when it comes to the determining the direction of those categories when it comes to the relationship/family(if he is the protective type of man). Seeing as, if the family fails in those categories he’s to blame. i.e. if the mother doesn’t work(in societies regard) there’s no problem, but if the father doesn’t work (in societies regard)he’s a failure. If you don’t believe in this equation you can’t hold men to this regard, you can only hold yourself up to it.
love and money doesnt mix.

This is the ongoing argument… “if men did this… then women would…” and “if women did this… then men would…”

We can argue semantics all day until we’re blue in the face. Everyone has the solution but we as two separate groups will continue to have issues on seeing eye to eye. Trying to point the finger on which sex is ultimately responsible for the actions of the other is pointless.

I can say for myself that I’d love to submit to a man who truly knows and embodies the role of a man. No one is gonna win any brownie points by beating each other with bible scriptures. Play your part as individuals and we’ll hopefully make this positive progression together.

I love how the men in here seem to think that a woman not wanting to submit to him means she must want him to submit to her. It seems to be unfathomable to so many that two grown folks don’t need to submit to anyone. Even the Bible, the women submitting were dependent and barely a step above children. The man fed, clothed and sheltered their wives like they did their children, so I understand those women submitting. It made sense. But, a grown woman now can feed, clothe and shelter herself and WITH you, she can build a great family and wealth. But, for whatever reason, so many of these males need a woman to be beneath them in order to feel like men. And the same ones whipping out the Bible will overlook and excuse their exceptions to the “pre-marital sex” scriptures. That little rule doesn’t work for them. And for those who say submission doesn’t make you less…why so hostile when you even assume that women want you to submit to them? Men are appalled at the thought of a woman thinking a man should “submit” to her…because they KNOW it means she sees them as just what the prefix SUB means…less, beneath, below.

Stop trying to sugarcoat it. Be honest and just let it be known that you need/want women to be less than you. You are entitled to want what you want.

@ Panerio1 that is not true that all black women put black men dead last on their list. The problem is to many put the WRONG black men (abusive, toxic) ones FIRST on their list and as our dear sister said it jades them in future realtionships with potential good men. I am a black woman that supports submitting to my man/husband IF he demonstrates the ability to lead,demonstrates wisdom in his decisions, and is able to protect and provide for me, himself and his family. I do not advocate submitting to a man just becasue of the grey matter between his legs. Alot of women have submitted to bad men becasue they do not know the difference; they have been trained to submit becasue he is a man and that is the only qualification he needs and if he drives her and himself off a bridge then that is ok. For those of you who are church going people, read the Book of Acts chapter 5 in the bible there was a man who lied to God about a pleadge he made and dropped dead on the spot, he convinced his wife to agree with the lie, she “submitted” and died with him. submitting to her husband was not wrong, it was what she submitted to that was the problem. Then you have these foolish women who submit to the wrong men, have babies by these men, become bitter and train their daughters to believe that black men are no good and if these daughters carry that attitude into their relationships, the relationship is doomed, even if the guy is a good man; even if he tries to lead,protect and provide, she will see it as “control” and fight him. Men who are responsible and have demonstrated that they are tustworthy deseve the respect and should be given the floor to lead, this does not mean we check our brains at the door and not use common sense, but if he has demonstrated he is able and willing, we know that even when he makes a mistake he is given the space to be human, but most women know if a man is trustworthly or not alot of again I say FOOLISH women submit to a man they know is no good hoping that their “love” will “change” him. Sometimes a guy who is off track just need a little love and support to get them on track,but most of the time we get what we pay for and we need to stopy trying to fix dammaged men by submitting to their toxic way of life damaging ourselves in the process. We need to get emotionaly healthy and save our love respect and devotion for a man who has earned it, not becasue he is perfect or has alot of money, but becasue he has demonstrated the qualities of a good man.

Q: Monique, how are you submitting to a man your married to if its true that you have open relationship him?

@ rellatee2003 good one! I was wondering the same thing! if she is submissive. then i can be as well. it just seems to work better that way IMO. and my manhood is not threatened. sometimes the man can/should take charge but you know, don’t over do and like some earlier poster said, it will turn into what you want it to be anyways.

love does not have an instruction book..at all!

What can i say, in this present world we live in i don’t think some women cares about the love, it’s only a few who understands what love is and to qualify it with the word submission. Everything is now materialistic, make money in any way and you can have any woman so far as she is all about the money. The love is not there let alone submission, i met this girl in college in my senior year but told her i’m a freshman she was a sophomore just to see what she might say, all she said is you’re a beginner and i said thank you very much and guess what she ignored me,and i was just smiling in my head say ye men and women of little faith. Now what would make such a woman love me let alone be submissive to me. Some women follow the wrong men and then end up blaming the men, be wise, think smart be observant, be friendly put up a smile if you can love yourself and any man who is really the right one through these characteristics by the women submission will come by it self so far as he is the right one,thanks.

Submit..!!! with brothas like slim thug talking s**t out his ass..to find a brotha now in days you have to go throwback if you want something called relationship now in days everybody is just following the media..MONIQUE come again..

…i AM A BLACK WOMAN…MY FATHER TAUGHT ME THAT WHEN/IF I GET A HUSBAND I AM TO ALLOW HIM 2 BE THE HEAD OF OUR HOUSEHOLD…BUT ONLY IF THAT MAN KNEW HOW TO DO SO, IF he doesnt know how…he’s not the man for me….Another thing i will say, is its amazing how many ppl will bring up the bible when it suits them…why obey one rule if not all….because many who do….HAVING SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE that alone…WILL KEEP PLENTY OF PPL FROM POINTING FINGERS since we want to go there…ppl WANTING TO OBEY CERTAIN “PARTS” OF THE BIBLE THAT benefit them at the time…GTFOH..i mean really…..now again brothas it aint hard to find a woman…who will let you take the lead role…but my thing is..i dont see why its a huge ass issue…if your mates pleasure is your purpose…who has the lead role shouldnt be a problem…because your working together…SO SQUASH THE BULL…

The gender roles are so blurred now that i don’t know how to let a man be a “man.” I want a partnership, not someone who is going to dominate me or vice versa. My issue is there are a lot of people who think they are men and act like boys.

Paneiro1 and CourtneyR killed it. Glad to know that Wisdom still exist and that emotional awol doesnt dominate every person in Judah male and female.

To people who is hating on christians for quote scriptures according to submitting…don’t be mad because they try help you understand the importance of it and had the righteous back up. I would not cuss or do anything to christians , think again what you are doing. Is christians something you should be mess with?

Anyway I have seen a lot people in here that cuss at christians… but I want to ask you why do you have a icon or nickname that mention you are something related to Faith?

To ones who said Mo’onique can’t submit cuz open relationship? Come on she can change if she has a faith. Anyone can change, sky is not limit. I feel sorry that you have no faith and is just sitting there cussing all you can think of.

I see alot of people on here are upset and angry about this topic. I agree with Monique and heres why. Just as she pointed out in her segment, women today have been brought up for generations with the mantras of Inpedendent women and “I can do bad by myself” Ideology. This mind control and dogma has black families in disarray. If you look at other ethnic groups of people you notice that the black female is the only one that is told to be independent, she can do bad by herself, that she is from a long line of “strong” black women. You dont hear this sort of rhetoric anywhere else. What I am getting to is this is designed to destroy us. This is an attack on the homefront of the black family. This is just one of the many tactics that the media and those who control the machine use to create the reality they desire.

I think the issue that most women may be having is the definition of submission. I think women are taking it as submit to every man and that is not the case. There need to be clear and concise roles for men and women in relationships. Case and point; question for women… You are laying in bed with your man about midnight you hear something or someone walking around in the room downstairs. What do you do? A.get up and check on the situation without your man? Or B. Literally kick your man out of bed and down the stairs to protect you. Yeah its a no brainer when you look at it like that huh, the thing is a man wants to provide protect and lead. You need to let a man be a man.

The bible scriptures are for those of you who DONOT understand what the word SUBMISSIVE TRULY means when MEN SPEAK ON IT AND EVEN SOME WOMEN. SUBMISSIVE IN this sense DOESNT mean being. 1..AGRRESSIVE TOWARDS ONE ANOTHER,
2.PUTTING DOWN ONE ANOTHER,
3. VOLATILE TOWARDS ONE ANOTHER
4.BEING A DICTATOR OVER ONE ANOTHER…GO BACK ,TAKE YOUR TIME ARE READ CLEARY WITH UNDERSTANDING. NOR DOES IT SAY THAT WOMEN CANT WORK. WHAT IS WRONG,, NEVER MIND,,,UGH!!!!!!!!!

IF more people comprehended what they read you will see that the bible CLEARY states From these verses we see that love and respect characterize the roles of BOTH HUSBANDS and WIVES. IF THESE ARE PRESENT, then AUTHORITY, HEADSHIP,LOVE, and SUBMISSION will be NO PROBLEM FOR EITHER PARTNER. WHICH IN TURN MEANS WORK AS A UNIT PEOPLE.

FOR THOSE OF US WHO QUOTE THE BIBLE,IT IS A REFERENCE FOR DISCIPLINE TO THOSE PEOPLE. NO ONE ON THIS GOD GIVEN EARTH IS PERFECT AND WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES.

WHEN you REALIZE that you are making mistakes,you turn to points of references to help you see clearly to make better decisions.NOT JUST IN ONE PART OF YOUR LIFE,YOU APPLY IT TO ALL POINTS IN YOUR LIFE.DOUBLE SHEESH…POINTS OF DISCIPLINE..some of us are spiritual including me,not religious,but I see NOTHING WRONG with anyone READING THE BIBLE AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A BETTER WAY OF LIVING IF THATS WHAT IT DOES TO SOME..If it makes some better,,IM ALL FOR IT.MAY BE MORE SHOULD TRY THIS ESPECIALLY IF YOUR LIFE IS CHAOTIC..I DONT KNOW IF YOUR LIFE IS OR NOT BUT IT CANT HURT TO READ…THATS ALL IM SAYING.ALSO,IT HELPS PEOPLE TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS WHEN FACED WITH THE TEMPTATIONS OF THE WORLD.LONG sigh….

FOR anyone ONE HERE POINTING FINGERS AT THOSE WHO DO QUOTE FROM THE BIBLE because it may be important to them,for those who take it seriously and not just qouting, TO HELP THEM BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PATH THEY ARE WALKING,

I FIND IT DOWN RIGHT DESPICABLE for anyone to imply that are only doing so to fit some sort of twisted agenda..PERHAPS IT YOUR LIFE THATS TWISTED otherwise YOU WOULDNT SAY THINGS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE ONLY SHARING CORRECT KNOWLEDGE TO HELP OTHERS.ESPECIALLY THOSE OF US WHO DONT HAVE CHAOTIC LIVES. Um their are those who are phony with what comes out of their mouths ,and then their are those WHO ARE NOT PLAYING AROUND WITH THEIR LIVES PERIOD and it shows through their actions and friends and communities who testify about them. UNTIL YOU PERSONALLY AND INDIVIDUALLY KNOW EACH AND EVERY PERSON ON HERE, you cant say a word about someones INTENT..

MY INTENT IS ALWAYS TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF KNOWLEDGE.WHETHER it comes from personal experience,schooling,or even a book called the BIBLE.

everyone is the world isnt CAUGHT UP….BELIEVE THAT. each one teach one to do better and be better ..especially if your sharing real knowledge that can help someone else to make their lives a bit easier.. :)

@zeru25,icon,godprincezz81,djeddi,paniero..Thank you for the understanding.Their are more who understand as well.But this is how it goes.Its been like this from the beginning of time.so many people dont recognize when people are just trying to help without any ulterior motives because we are faced everyday with so many people who do have ulterior motives to get what they want.Its a shame but its nice to see and know those of us who are truly trying to lead by example and help others whether its a kind word,a gesture, etc… or just sharing what you know because its helped your life.The truth doesnt lie and I will never stop speaking the truth.Not when I know that one person who may be down in the dumps in their thinking,or feel like their is no hope may just need someone to tell them the truth.BRAVO yall.. :) keep spreading that goodness..Its infectious..

i agree with the person that wrote this article self explanitory

LOL this whole subject is funny as hell. But I agree with the woman who wrote this article.

Women are biologically designed to receive. Men are biologically design to give. In the physical act of copulation the women in fact, form, and function must submit to the penetration of her mate or this life giving process becomes dysfunctional and perverted.

If the dynamics of our intellectual physical and spiritual life do not remain in agreement and or in tangent support of the so stated domains within the function of the Homosapien constitution, our perception of reality and understanding become dysfunctional and imbalanced causing our relationships to be false and misleading.

What I am saying is DO NOT SUBMIT to me for a physical gratification then stand to your feet and challenge my GOD GIVEN ROLE.

It won’t end well

You can deny the science but my people perish from lack of knowledge.

FOREVER THY GUIDE, DEIFIC MIRROR
KEEPER OF THE FLAME and ETERNAL BONDSMAN

Prince Nova

LMAO @ PrinceNova1

Okay…there are a lot of pieces missing from this puzzle. I noticed here how everyone is putting emphasis on “The Woman’s” role. I’ve also noticed how some comments point out that the woman is being “brain-washed” into this independant role.

The truth is this dates all the way back from slavery days, where families were ripped apart, litterally disected on every level. The typical African American family no longer has strong family ties or core family values, and NO father/husband.

A man learns how to be a man, a father and a husband, from his father – the man, husband and father. But men were taken away from their families. For generations, the African American boy NEVER learned HOW to be a “MAN” or a “Good Husband” or a “Good Father”. Because there is no “MAN” in the home. He also is not able to see his mother play the role of “WIFE”, and therefore is unable to see the qualities that he should be looking for in a woman – he only sees a woman as a “MOTHER” and that is why men tend to seek a woman with strong motherly traits.

In turn, the girl in the home cannot learn how to be a good “WIFE”, because she is unable to see her mother play the role of “WIFE”. Her mother probably teaches her how to be “STRONG” and able to get along without having the male figure in her life, being the fact that men were most often sold off. She is also unable to see her father play the role of “HUSBAND” and therefore is unable to determine the qualities she should look for in a man.

In the beginning, we (African American’s) were forced to live with our families being disected – for so many generations…that it has become a way of life for us. Now adult males have babies, and willingly leaves his family, responsiblities and all. And the woman, is still forced to be the “Strong Black Woman” our mothers showed us to be. Taking care of all the burdens and responsiblities life throws at us, because we know we can do it, we’ve been shown that we can – we have what it takes to endure.

I think the particular words Mo’Nique used is inappropriate. It’s not that we “think we have a p***s”…its just that we woman are use to having to run the household alone, that it’s hard to have another “head” figure – who has not “proven” himself – to take control of the helm.

So, first off, we need our father’s back! Then we will have our family, and everything will fall back into place.

and since when is monique worthy to be dishing out relationship advice? she’s a joke and that open marriage bullsht she got going on. i can’t believe this was on tv b/c as soon as this couple got through saying “submit” and “trust” they said they too had an open marriage so all that mess they were talking just went out the window seriously
black people leading in std’s, bastard kids, poverty and they still sexing like cats and dogs and now preaching it on tv. this is what white people like to see b/c it just proves we are not 2 steps ahead of monkeys they claim us to be

aaw man this here is hilarious….everyone giving their opinions but anyway in agreement with stick-up kid….theres a mass of men out here whom does take on a lil boy role….

lifeiswutumakit said it bestttttttttttttttttttt

That’s why it’s alot of lonely women 30-50,that’s why Alot of black men date outside of their race,i got to battle the world,come home and fight with you too!black women are not the only ones with body anymore!tupac said it best(fake nails,fake hair,fake eyes too!it’s no wonder you mess with fake guys too!even if you has a good man,you’ll think he was a sap

I agree with the writer of this story. A woman should not submit to a man who is not worthy and yes we[women]oftentimes choose the wrong men.I know women that are not married, but they allow their “man” run things,Problem is these men are not worthy to take the lead. They won’t work, but lay around (or cheat) while the women is hard at work. Too many women are supporting men..Listen ladies it is NOT in the mature of a man to allow a women to pay his way, however if a woman continues to coddle her man, he will relinquish his responsibility thereby emasculating him. An old friend of mine has a boyfriend who isn’t working and she supports him. Even when he worked she still did everything. As long as he was “serving up the sex” I guess it didn’t matter. Also,women sometimes won’t let a man be a man. Instead of allowing him to take his rightful place in the union we compete with him for power, sometimes unknowingly. Typically, if a man is loving,respectful,and faithful to his women there is nothing she won’t do for him.She won’t mind submitting.

If this is true, why doesn’t Monique shave them fat ass legs. Cmon son! That s**t is gross. Plus open marriage, thats the oldest trick in the male gold digger book.

Also might I add, the roles of men and women seem to have reversed. Some women are pursuing men…relentlessly. Even when a man says he’s not interested some women will still pursue him..full throttle..

I would have loved to be that type of woman, however I was deal a different deck of cards in my life. I married a man that obviously does not have a problem with me not being submisive. In fact, he remains mum on many of the decisions and altercations that we have to deal with on a daily basis for me to decide. My point is many men today are not built to handle this type of woman I would not go as far to say they are not deserving, some just can’t handle the responsibility of taking the lead, or they are clueless on

djeddi,

One thing that has not been motioned is the dysfunction of the black family unit.We have “independent black women” because Slavery is the root. Reason being 1) Black men were not allowed to be the “heads” of there home.2) Massa took the black mans woman and forced her to breed. 3) This caused resentment in black men and even though it was not the womans fault he still blamed her.4) the black man would seek the affection of another to deal with his pain. He oftentimes left his woman which put her in the position of a single parent. For years black women have had to hold their families down. During the early 1900′s the black family appeared to have been restored, but something happened. For so long black woman have had to play dual roles . They had no choice but to take the lead, so what do you expect. She may not be so eager or even know how to submit.

If you’re happy good. If you are not fix your problems, which may be you – male or female. No one else can fix “your” problems. If you are not happy with yourself no else can make you happy. Not the best husband in the world (or wife), not even the children that you wanted. You’ll just create more people to hurt. If you are jacked up admit it and deal with it or be alone. I love women because they are women. Not because of the color of their skin, the texture of their hair, the money in their pockets. You can talk to women about things and in ways that you cannot talk to men. Maybe it is not about submission at all, maybe it is about playing your part, staying in your lane, being a team player, being the yin to my yang. If you keep having problems no matter where you go or who you are with ask yourself this very important question, “What is the common denominator?”

The key here is being in a relationship with a man, not a person with male genitalia. Also they are not necessarily talking about in just dating either, they are making reference to a married couple or a couple on their way to marriage. A man who loves a woman naturally wants to fulfill the role in which this brother and sister are talking about. Further, the sister said that she felt like she had to be in control because she didn’t know how to trust a man. Love is a two way street and both parties must put the effort to die to themselves in order to become one. Submission, works differently in every relationship, but honestly both have to submit to one another, that’s biblical.

It’s amazing to me how we (especially women) hear with our feelings instead of hearing what’s being said.

I am a submitted wife…and this is soo funny because I was once a single mom. Let’s make it even funnier…my husband is 11 years MY junior. So needless to say I was used to being Mommy and Daddy…I was in charge of my domain.And then God sent HIM…the guy who was mine and loves me to no end. Since God sent him…I knew I had to do this God’s way. To be honest submission is easier than it looks and..Hubby gets to carry the load I had to bear for so many years. The key is…Hubby is submitted to God, as am I…so since we’re on the same page we get along 97% of the time. (The other 3% is hormonal time so I’m glad he has a hobby and he won’t get on my nerves..he knows to steer clear) You should have seen my face when I was at the altar and I had to say “OBEY”. But you should have seen his face when the preacher said “PROVIDE”!!!!!

I agree with Monique in regards to choosing the right individual to submit to. Many of us for some reason choose the wrong people to date and marry and wonder why things did not work out. We learn behaviors from those were exposed(parents and other relatives)to and sometimes make decisions subconsciously without knowing it. An example of this is a good friend of mine does not smoke or drink and yet he would date women that did. He hated cigarettes and alcohol because his mother would drink excessively and act out negatively but he still dated women that did these things. Eventually, I asked him about it and he realized that he was choosing the wrong type of women. We need to take a look at ourselves before we start pointing fingers at someone else. In regards to slavery,we can no longer continue to leave in the past and use that as an escape goat for our actions. We barely speak to each other public and appear to not like or love each other the way we should. Many people are making excuses to date outside there race in an effort to fill a void that they cannot find within there own race or themselves. We have so much potential and we don’t even see it.

I grew up in Detroit,Mi on E.7 mile Rd and State Fair and marveled at how the Arabs moved into a predominant Black neighborhood and bought all the gas stations,convenience and grocery stores. I was a child then and felt saddened by this because we did not own anything. They would make fun of blacks stating “were animals and could never work together to achieve anything”. These people rebuilt there communities and built churches and everything else. I wonder why we can’t do this. We have the power all we need to do is come together and build a foundation. Lets stop living in the past live for today. We need to stop talking about all of this and take action. Dr Martin Luther King showed us what could be achieved if we stood together.

I LOVE MY BLACK PEOPLE

I think what she realy mean is you should be submissive to a real “MAN”….and not a “BOY”……some males arent MEN….and i think thats what most of my brothers in here are trying to say

@Djeddi
Excellent and well stated point. Self love need once again repairing.

The traditional roles are gone for good. The best you can hope for is a partnership of some kind but the truth is few men are in a rush to get married anyway. I mean, we can all get the milk fa free so why buy tthe cow? Anyway, why enter into a relationship where you have to deal with some of these women who have posted on this blog?

Few people, male or female, are capable of leading. People make dumb mistakes on both sides that is why there sre so many black men in prision and so many single moms heading black families. Both situations could be avoided with better decision making.

And before women blame men for single motherhood, the truth is that it’s a choice you both made. I’m sure you jumped over the guy who was a straight “A” student to hook up with the hoodrat who had “swag” and wore his pants low so his boxers could be showing. And now you wonder why he is not a responsible dad or a leader.

At a time when most people will need two incomes to be “comfortable” and a family, and there’s no shortage on the babymaking- just when families are needed the most- we’re on square one with little clue on how to move forward.

Ephesians 5: 20, states “Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;” Ephesians 5: 21, states, “Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.” Ephesians 5: 22, states, “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.” And Ephesians 5: 25, states, “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it.”

I feel it is necessary to share the Word of God, because often Ephesians 5: 21 is misinterpreted and slanted from a male chauvinistic perspective. Both men and women should submit to one another, as indicated in Ephesians 5:21. There must be love, unity and harmony between both the man and the woman. They are on the same team.

Secondly, I don’t know any woman that does not want a God-fearing man, who is a strong, loving husband and father, and one that handles his business and is true and loyal to her. I refuse to believe that.

Correction, Ephesians 5: 22, is usually taken out of context.

It’s called YING and YANG—-Now I know some of you don’t comprehend that….just meditate on it and the answer will appear.

These comments regarding the subject of “SUBMITTING” to someone in a relationship are both valid and interesting. Let me add a piece of knowledge to our understanding of the word “SUBMIT.” This may help us to understand why this concept of “SUBMITTING” to someone is so hard for many people to do. Most of us think and have lived the word “SUBMIT” from the
[Middle English word “submitten” derived from the Latin word base of “submittere” which means – to set under, to cause to go. Our Euro-centric American Dictionaries would define “SUBMIT” as: “to place (oneself) under the control of another,” from L. submittere “to yield, lower, let down, put under, to reduce.”

However, the Arabic meaning of the word “SUBMIT”, which (by the way) is found in biblical and many philosophical writings means ” TO ACCEPT” or “SURRENDER TO”.
Unfortunately many people (both men and women) don’t understand the concept of “ACCEPTANCE” nor “SURRENDER.” Acceptance and/or surrender are not necessarily positions of subjugation, but rather positions of CHOICE. In other words if we think of “SUBMIT” from the Middle English or Latin derived word perspective then we have to force ourselves to be “UNDER SOMEONE’S CONTROL” almost like slavery. However is we think of “SUBMIT” from the Arabic word perspective, then we can practice “ACCEPTANCE” and/or “SURRENDER” to our mates and loved ones.

For many people, this idea of “SUBMITTING” to someone is not an easy task. Submitting to someone can accomplished if a person “first” has a good sense of self, a somewhat healthy self esteem and it wouldn’t hurt if a person has a fairly healthy set of life coping skills, not to mention a relationship with our creator and creation.

Otherwise, people are not going to “SUBMIT” to themselves, God, or anyone else in life. This by the way applies to both men and women.

…if more men were more honest, loyal??? Interesting generalization. What if more women were honest and loyal? Why can’t we just admit to that maybe more women don’t know how to choose better men? They pick men for the WRONG reasons. How about this one, they don’t know what’s really important in today’s world so they have very bad judgment regarding relationships and what a so-called good man is.

@yeahshesaidit, you can’t claim to know how women behave in dating and relationships until to have dated or been in relationship with women. The truth does not lay in what your friends tell you, but rather in witnessing their behavior first hand.

The difference between men and women is that women complain about their disappointments in dating and relationships and very few men will complain out loud.

very well put Jgoodmo3… very well put!

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Yeah Moe, perfect solution.

That there is the reason why a lot of good black men,go interracial. Because most of our women refuse to submit to them. Now they’ll submit to him if has bank, but we want that respect b/f we have bank, not when were just on. That’s why a lot of brownmen don’t chose his own when he’s ready, when he know’s other races submit to their man regardless of how much money he has. So we chose them most the times because there’s nothing that a man loves more than a woman who will submit to them. Yeah life is too shor so they chose others because it takes too long for a blackwomen to learn her protocall. We need to teach our dauhters how to and wisely. Bible says that ye wives submit yourselves to your husbands. That’s it, have ur blessings.

Women, especially sisters, find it hard to submit to their mate because they have experienced terrible relationships with men who do not put God first. If you truly want to get to a place where you feel safe enough to do that, you need to be with a man who puts GOD first!

The bible states that wives should submit to their husbands, but it ALSO says husbands must love their wives, as Christ loved the church. How did Christ love the church? He gave His very LIFE for it. The point is that in order for this whole submission thing to work, a man has to FIRST submit to GOD. Once a woman sees that, it will become easier for her to accept, or surrender (as another brother here put it) to their mate, because they KNOW that God came first.

So my advice to women is that you need to make sure you are with a man that is fully surrendered to GOD before you fall head over heels in love.

More women should submit to their men. What women need to do is be wiser in the men they choose. Too many women choose men with questionable morals who lack ambition. Too many women think that they can change a man for the better when the truth is change comes from within. I would view a submissive woman as a better partner than a woman who wants to dominate and rule. A woman has to be my equal, not my superior. I’ll respect her and her opinions, but at the same time, I’m the man in the relationship.

Kind_David910 : NOT TRUE . Its funny how black men seem to think that white/non black women are the only ones who can offer them “true”love without regard to money. Don’t be delusional and misguided into believing that a white woman can’t and won’t use your black azz in the same way that you claim black women do. How many of these white women would be with these athletes, rappers, etc if they didn’t have fame or money? Lets be real here! I am by no means opposed to interracial relationships. I think that people should date who they choose to, and hopefully your reason for being with that person is compatibility and genuine love, not ulterior motive. Don’t try to use broad generalizatins and terms and place “all black women ” beneath a single label.
There are men looking for a woman to submit to them and they are NOT worthy of even wearing the title “man”. Some have children that they are not providing for.Some are not being faithful to their wife/girlfriend. Some are doing nothing productive with their own life and have the audacity to want a “submissive woman” aka so,eone that they can run over.
Any man that I ever submit to will have to earn the right to play that role, and the only way to do that is through his “character,integrity,and level of respect he has for me and himself.

This blog is a breath of fresh air.:D Thank you!

Good day to all, I have to agree with yazzie0913… There is a cause and effect to everything and until we realize & understand that we will never be able to attempt to fix this issue that has been plaguing the Black Family for so long. I believe that most Black women would love to lavish their significant other with love, affection, attention, compliments, and sweet honey anytime but as the aforementioned author poses in their comment it is truly a slave mentality that has a strong hold on US…. Even though it is now 2010 we have evolved only in a few areas of life, i.e. financially, physical status & academically. But if for generations after generation we have that same thought process that was inbred, taught and eventually believed in then we can only re-process (re-educate) ourselves and those we have been blessed to reach & teach to a certain level. Keep in mind to that we will still need to live each day with the rest of the world that still believes to a certain point that we are inferior to most and in some cases all humankind.

What “WE” need are people in our lives, either personally and/or publicly that can reiterate to us that we are special, beautiful, wonderful and worthy to be treated with dignity & respect. Then and only then can we love ourselves enough to truly love another… thus US black women being able to fully submit ourselves and our black men to love and respect us enough so that we can submit.

Jgooodmo3, ur definitions of submit from different those different languages is the same thing basically. And u sound like u are speaking from a koran sense. Love you bra, but arabs don’t know how to love their wives, let’s be real about it. In ur blog there was 2 definitions in different languages supporting Moe’s ideal of submit but u choose the 3rd which deviates from it; not good. Regard ur conclusion. It is not impossible for them to submit. They can submit if they love themselves which they have to learn to do first. Then they will love God, then man as the bible says. So due urself a favor, crawl somewhere bc u are being a wolve in sheep clothing opposing God’s comand.

well let me make it clear…no1 is hating on the “scriptures” some of you putting them out do mean well..but some ppl some (men)are quick to put out the scripture about a woman being submissive….but may not obey anything else the bible says….OUTSIDE OF BP TO…im tired of ppl using “Scriptures” when it benefits them….”hypocritical christians”…who know theyre living like CRAP..i mean if you’re going to live the christian way…DO IT ALL THE WAY…NOT PART/TIME ALL I’M SAYING (my opinion)…and to miss ma’am, who asked, why would anyone want to mess with a christian?? ma’am if you’re living your life as a christian should, u get much love from me, but also know that being christian, brings you closer to god, but being christian doesnt mean you’re *immuned* 2 the bs of the world we live in…back on topic…show me a real man, i’ll submit 24/7 365 lol ;)

This is one of the many reasons why I like Mo’Nique. She adds value to her way of communication.

@Jollyroger1 you hit the nail on the head bro.

There is so much power in submission. Women tend to see this as a dirty word but it is empowering. I feel the most like me when I let go. It’s actually liberating. We have to be in charge of everything from work to our kids so this is a nice change if you think about it.

“You pee sitting down for a reason” That says it all. But…I know a lot of men who need to sit down when they pee. Allowing a woman to support you, not taking care of your babies, refusing to take yo lazt a zz to work…You need to pee sitting down!

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SUBMISSION.. IM A AT HOME WIFE AND THIS IS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT MY HUSBAND WANTS ME TO DO AND I DON’T MIND DOING IT I HAVE HAD GOOD JOBS PAYING 11-13 DOLLARS A HOUR HE JUST DOESN’T LIKE ME TO WORK AND I TRUST HIM TO BRING DAT MONEY IN STRAIGHT FOR THE MORTGAGE AND BILLS AND HE HAS NEVER FAILED ME U JUST GOTTA HAVE THE RIGHT MAN

I will agree with what the one writer said(neva1betta) men, Christain and wordly we really need to STOP throwing out the scripture badge for our on selfish indulgence. But truly the Word never fails, we do. Women need to stop taking it upon themselves to determine who or when to submit to based on one of the comments I read. God didnt give a disclaimer in small print that you can use to go against the man. Clearly the words “submit your selves to one another”has lost it true meaning. In closing man kind needs to submit unto God, His will and His way. With out that submission all other submissions will be a struggle. Peace, Love and Harmony.

Thanks Ms Mellow617, I didn’t know this many people would be in here so fast it 1st started out with like 4 or 5 pl. Damn it’s getting heated in here.

Wk Motley like ur comment bra

father lo, like ur comment too.

To The Extent That It Doesn’t Comprimise GOD’s CALLING And/Or WILL On Your LIFE.

FAITHFUL To Your SOUL ( = HEART And SPIRIT Of TRUTH) And TRUE To Your CONSCIENCE ( = MIND And WORD Of TRUTH).

You Are Looking For A (Potentially Or Moreso Relatively Matured) GOD-Fearing / RIGHTEOUS Man.

Not A Good Boy Or A Bad Boy, But A Man That Knows When, What, How, Where, And Why; When, What, How, Where, And Why.

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GOD Bless The FAITHUL And RIGHTEOUS Seekers.

Jollyroger1 u spook well on your comment.

Instead of ONLY focusing on how too many men are not worthy, let’s ALSO focus on how a lot of women are not worthy. What does it mean for a godly woman to submit to a godly man? The answer lies in how you think the Church should submit to Jesus Christ. In being found worthy of Him, we don’t focus so much on whether Jesus is worthy, but on our lifestyles and behaviors. In other words, we make ourselves ready for Him. Unfortunately, in today’s society, women are trained to criticize and judge men without looking in the mirror. As Jesus said, why focus on the speck in your brother’s eye, but not notice the beam in your own?

The article has a good premise, but it goes on to use more words casting an negative light on submitting to men than it does on focusing on how women should submit. But I’m glad it wraps up by asking men for their opinions. Here’s mine: (next comment)

Submit??? Submit? Who wants to submit to a male who is either afraid or ashamed to be a real man? Am sick and tired of men who want to be pampered,courted and charmed and who display a flamboyant sense of arrogance and entitlement! They are more than willing to retreat from taking the leadership role in a relationship UNTIL it comes to some decision that they want invoked. Then, they are ready to step up and take charge. As my grandfather said over 20 yrs. ago, “They just don’t make men like they used to!” N’er a truer word has been spoken.

I feel Monique has it wrong. It should read wives submit to your husbands, not woman submit to your man. That’s the 1st mistake. If he’s not chosen for YOU by GOD….guess what? It won’t be as it should anyway. Ever. If he’s chosen by God, He’ll be led by God. If you know God’s word, you’ll know if he’s following God and if he’s leading you right and doing right by you.

You cant play any game w/o knowing the rules. Most up here are playing the game of life, but have not yet read a manual on how to live life. Might I suggest that most of you here start with the bible. Either you respect the word or you dont. But, I pose this question. If you are not playing by biblical rules, then who’s rules are you playing by?

You women shortchoc1 , joee4u2 Women especially black women think you know it all about relationships. 1) God dont choose your mate. that is your doing. God gives you the knowledge (the bible) on how to make wise decision. that is what salvation means: the realization of the supremacy of infinite Mind over all bringing with it the destruction of the illusion of sin, sickness, and death liberation from ignorance or illusion preservation from destruction or failure .deliverance from danger or difficulty.

In other words the more knowledge and trith you have and use the less problems you will have. In other words like I stated you need to know yourself and what is needed in your life find the right man not the perfect man and ACT accordingly. Be a REAL WOMAN instead of instigating arguments. Yall ACT a PLUMB FOOL TO DARN MUCH. just because a good is good to you doesnt make him a punk.

If you also did not know women lie steal and cheat also. Also submit means to help the man make good decisions and execute them effectively and efficiently. That is playing your role. dont come to the table with your booty and problems

For me (and many Black men in their 40′s), IT’S TOO DAMN LATE for black women to change. The “it’s my way or the highway” mindset had me on the highway a looooonnnnngggggg time ago. Just too many options for companionship for Black men nowadays, to put up with nonsense many Black women require a man to tolerate. Maybe the generation of 20-something Black women will change to the extent to hold on to that generation of Black men.

That is true when most woman need to surrender instead of being independent because most woman do not go with a good man;they rather be dealing with men that is going to control them and talk bad things about them.If woman would stop faking on that they need to be independent then they are going be the ones to lose the battle of the sexes.It is time for both men and women to stop playing games with each other and try to communicate.

i was married for 18yrs to a woman who wanted to be the boss….it ruined our marriage i ended up with the kids house and everything else….it was a bad situation…..my kids are now grown….and my doughter has asked me many times how did i do it…..my sons are good sons….but my ex has never been…happy with anyone …..her attitude is thatshe has to be the boss…her new husband once aske me how did i put up with her so long…the answer is i loved my kids….women don’t realize that a real man chooses his woman….not vise vera..women have to understand god made man…an then woman from his rib….just saying…there was a reason for that…i luv a strong woman…but have been single for many yrs..because woman today don’t understand being strong is supporting….not over barring…..

And to women who think God will place that “tolerant” soulmate you were meant to be with, in front of you, WAKE UP! God gives us all “free will” to live our lives as we choose, good or bad. God does not point you in a direction, he gives you a certain amount of insight and common sense to point yourself in a direction. Stop praising God for the good, or cursing the devil for the bad, and start taking responsibility for the actions you will be judged by when you meet God.

I never in my life dated a white/purely exotic woman, EVER. My mom was part of a Black Panther party in Ga. and I’m pretty sure you can imagine how it was growing up in a household like that lol. If a black man dates a white/exotic woman though, I won’t judge him because of it, some people are raised differently, and true love doesn’t have a color. But, I thought about why a black man would choose a white/exotic woman if he was raised to choose different. Black women tend to look at the white/exotic women as dumb, incompetent, and gullible; Therefore, they mold themselves into the opposite of what they think a white woman is, just like some black men mold themselves into the opposite of what they think a white man is(Geek/nerd with no street knowledge and/or no swag, skinny, weak). Any man or woman that looks at white as a symbol for “weak” is not real, at all. Only a simpleton would think like that. You’re basically thinking the same as the racist whites that you like to talk about ALL THE DAMN TIME! People really try to treat black/white like it’s a personality trait. Black is a title you receive if you’re born in ignorant America and your skin isn’t “white”. What black women look at as gullible, incompetent, and dumb, a black men(or men overall)may look at as funny, honest, and someone that wants/needs someone in her life. No one wants a know-it-all b***h that acts like she needs nobody and makes a man question his purpose in the relationship. To “Submit” is more than physical(sex), everyone loves sex but that’s not all (real)men care about. If sex is the only thing keeping the relationship together than it won’t last. Some black women think that giving her man some pu**y every now n’ again will keep him satisfied, like communication isn’t that important to the man, treat a man like he stupid. A real woman knows how to make a man feel like a man, a real woman transcends color, just like a real man does. Paniro1 hit that s**t right on the nail, some of these women don’t even know how to act like (real)women. I could go on n’ on about this, but my check just came in and I gotta go, PEACE!!!

@Nunyabidniz
Somenone will submit or there will be no relationship, someone must comprimise. There are roles and resposibilities bestowed on men in todays society. The roles of provider and protector. The same resposibilities and roles that I see soo many women on here support everyday. So in actuality if you yourself support the notion of these social norms then your man should be the dominant one in the relationship. If you don’t believe in and follow these social norms then you have to take the responsibility on yourself and women. So when you hear the vase downstairs break, the bat is in the closet and swing with your hips. A man has to submit to the idea that if his wife is pregnant he has to take care of more resposibilities for the house. If you are a single mother and you are resposible for protecting and providing for your child, do you want someone else determining what your child eats and where he sleeps. No because you would end up being the bad mother and all the weight and guilt will be on your head. Of course metaphorically speaking, but in todays society there should be imput from both sides. If 2 different people have 2 different Ideas, one must comprimise in order to find a solution that involves both of you. If the solution doesn’t involve both of, then you have no >relation< in the solution to the subject/situation.

The only grown folks not submitting to eachother are the ones who compete with eachother…sound familiar. It should because I see alot more black people competing with eachother then I do loving relationships by far.

women nowadays have a complex with the word submission. but hey ladies dont listen to us men, what we know. yall walk around like yall got all the answers but at the end of the day the divorce rate in america is a disgusting 80% and sooner or later yall women will have to stop putting the blame solely on us men. look in the mirror. when you point fingers you have two coming back at you. now women want a REAL man, or the idea they have to what a real man is. my thing is this, if women are telling us what a REAL man is then why boo have you not found him yet??? right, but yall want a man to hold down the fort, be on his s**t or at least striving to do so, and thats good but if you are waiting for him to do this before you give the same then you are playing the game wrong. makes you look like you using him.

the bible itself tells you that a woman should submit to her man. now its not saying to be his slave but let him quarterback the relationship. now if you wit a man that you feel you can submit to, then really why are you wit him. you are playing around just as much as he is. but once again we dont look at it like this. the beauty of women is at the end of the day you are get to decide who you allow to be apart of your life. we men are trying to get chose, you women choose. so why when you have an “aint s**t nigga” you blame him. he in YOUR life because you LET him.

my personal feeling is that women most black have been bred to the beleive that they dont need a man. mainly because the women that bred them didnt have one themselves. so its the blind leading the blind. women need men, men need women. its the natural order of things. we balance each other out.

These women are so right. I wish other women would take the advice from Monique and this lady and her husband on the show. Unfortunately, I know that there are too many stubborn (independent) women who are know-it-alls who are not going to listen to them. I do not really like women of my generation because of their attitudes. I wish women were more like the baby boomers. They were more about being in agreement with their husbands….instead of being at odds with him always.

I think if a man is strong, the woman has no choice but to submit to him. In other words – we make them gurls get down on tha flo!!!

It’s funnny; Im looking through the comments and once again it goes in one ear and out the other with some women. ALL Monique was saying is A RELATIONSHIP CAN’T WORK WITH TWO HEADS! There is no functioning institution that you can name that has two equal heads. Why? Because no decisions would be made; there is always potential for a holdout. Either there is a board; and the board never has an even number(for a reason) or if they do there is somebody on the board that is head. Submission does not have to be weak. President Obama is the Commander and Chief of our country. Do you think Vice President Biden bows down to Obama? Does Obama disrespect him and treat him like a servant simply because he has higher rank? I’m sure Biden has good points and Obama takes them into consideration and values his opinion but at the end of the day Vice President Biden respects President Obama as his leader. Imagine if Biden decided one day to give his own State of the Union. We’d be saying he forgot his role.
I see some of you saying when i find a man that is worthy I will submit. That’s the whole idea! But what you fail to take into consideration is most worthy men are going to be turned off by you because of your independent, nonchaulant demeanor. And most of the time this is born out of previous submission to some fool who didnt deserve it. If a man who is worthy is showing interest and you have this callous, hard demeanor, he is going to leave and your theory will stay intact but you will still not get a man. It’s a paradox. This is like you looking for a job and refusing to go to the job interview properly dressed. Your rational is you dressed up all the time for your last job and in the end they still fired you. So your excuse is when i find a job that is worthy i will start dressing up. However at the interview the employer is not even considering you because you werent properly dressed. The problem is not “dressing up”, it is who you last choose to “dress up” for that has brought about cynicsm. You can keep doing it your way and get the same results or you can listen to a woman like Monique that admits she used to be that way and change your approach.
This all is coming from a man that has never dogged a woman out. And most of us good guys do not want a woman that is, mean, rude, or hard. If you will reflect and admit that maybe you haven’t made the best choices in men then maybe you can change a little. The problem is many women want to be right that they combat the truth. So if thats your stance then continue to be “right”, just dont complain about not being able to find a good man.

You all have really good point. The majority and I said majority, not all are quoting the bible but speaking of past relationship with women they were not MARRIED with not to. I agree once you get married you should submit to your husband as you become one and he becomes the leader. Sorry to say like women who dont take care of their responsibilities as a woman, some men fail to MAN UP in marriages and the woman becomes the leader of the household because she trusted her husband to make the decisions( be the quarterback) but he did not make wise decisions for the family, which it is safe to say that we all make mistakes and we should learn from them and move on. But we continue to have conversations like these that degrade and beat up the opposite sex, when we should be having conversations on how to strengthen marriages. That does not include putting all the responsiblity on the women or on the men. We, men and women, need to face our demons and get real about relationships and marriages.

THAAAAAAANK YOU MO’NIQUE, finally a REAL black woman is stating the truth and the way it should be. BLACK women especially really needed to hear that, but sadly, MOST of them will disagree, and spout off the same “pay me to lay me” bull ish the female rappers spew in every single song that aint worth nothin.

I dont like Monique, but, I know BBWs listen to her so I am on board with her statement,lol.

i think we should stop throwing bible scriptures into all of our concerns because natural order has nothing to do with what a man wrote in a book and claiming that god said it. before there were bible scriptures women were submissive to their mates. i think the truth is that women should submit to their mates. in ancient times, a boy had to earn that respect though by going through rigorous mental and physical training and then gaining his right of passage into manhood. after which he was granted the liberty to choose for himself a wife. this boy was taught how to be a real man by other real established men. lil wayne, soljah boy, gucci mane are teaching the boys today. in other words, the jews and europeans are teaching our boys today. women should not submit to any fool. and the african american communities across the whole country are producing silo loads of black foolish men. the natural truth is, when a man is a real stand up man…the woman instinctively falls in line. but the man should realize that being the head of her life does not mean be a tyrant. it means that you have the responsibility of treating that woman the way you have always wanted a man to treat your mother. all women want a man with a little bad boy in them too, but you gotta know that that does not mean be a fool. that means to give off a slight essence of danger and adventure and go hippopatamous s’h'it in that p’u'ssy when your making love to her. then after that turn right back into the good man. her submission does not mean that she should do everything you say. her submission simply means that respectfully she is your wise counsel given that her reasoning comes from her heart and soul should always be honored and treated equally it comes packaged passively and humble. and you need her to be that way because god forbid something happens to you, she can and has an incredible ability to keep the foundation intact. peace

I AGREE I WAS IN A FAILED MARRIAGE WITH A WOMAN WHO BELIEVED AND STILL DO BELIEVE SHES HAS THE P***S..I BELIEVE A WOMAN SHOULD SUBMIT TO HER MAN AS SHOULD A MAN SUBMIT TO HER WOMAN ITS BEING PASSIVE AGRESSIVE KNOWING WHEN TO BE PASSIVE AND WHEN TO BE THE AGGRESSOR..WHEN A WOMAN DOES NOT TAKE A PASSIVE ROLE SHE NEVER LISTENS TO HER MAN FIGHTS EVERYTHING HE DOES, SAYS AND THINKS..AND IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH PRIDE..WHEN A WOMAN DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY THE FOOL..MOST WOMEN ARE SO AFRAID OF PLAYING THE FOOL THAT THEY WIND UP LOOKING LIKE A FOOL..IF YOUR SO WORRIED THAT YOUR MAN IS EEFFING OFF THEN LEAVE THE OLDER YOU GET THE LESS CLUES YOU NEED…BUT ALOT OF WOMEN ARE DRIVING THEIR MEN INTO OTHER WOMEN ARMS BY TRYING TO CONTROL HIM..WOMEN NEED TAKE THAT MY PROPERTY WAAAYYY TO FAR WE ARE NOT ITEMS WE ARE HUMAN AND WILL NOT BE HANDLED AS SUCH..IF YOU WONDER WHY BLACK MEN HAVE SO MANY WOMEN ITS BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY STAND A WOMAN FOR SO LONG UNTIL SHE FEELS SHE IS THE MAN SO WE’RE ON TO THE NEXT..WE STAY AWAY FROM THE WOMAN’S THE “C’s” Catch, Control, Capture!!!

why should there be submission at all?
I can be 100% of you are single.

Notice how other races are not saying the crap and their dating rates are fine. But blacks continue to embarrass themselves and the main ones happy about this are black men.Usually with nothing to their name but want to be treated like kings. A man who is strong and real,does not need a servant. He wants a partner. If you are willing to submit,is he willing to submit back?
Bw on here complying to this…how many years must you change yourself for black men until they finally date and marry you in mass?
Out of all women,you put up with the most,yet STILL bm leave you in the dust.And now you want to listen to this crap?
Thats what Ilike about some white women,they dont find the right guy-they move the eff on to the richest and respectful guy-no matter what race. But bw are on here giving their whole life for black men -yet askmost bm if they would do the same for you. Crickets.

If there is no reciprocation-there is no relationship. This has nothing to do with being hardheaded and full of attitude-this has to do with loving thyself and expecting the one your with to love you back.
Not all bm are like this,but the ones who agree i can assure you have baby mamas-are forty-no job/no education and vacation in the hood.

No wonder white men are dating other women and those other women are CHILLIN.cause bw like yall d umbasses are still on this servant tip…when hasit worked for you? are your fathers back? are the rape stats going down? are they leaving their white babymamas?

Call me angry all you want,you all know its true. Saying im angry is just you saying that im right but you dont want to acknowledge it. Eitherway,mywords are here.Black people wake up!

I love how guys are saying submission is powerful and necessary

so guys-are you going to submit to us?or are you going to find pseudo-biological reasons to say thats a womans job?
funny how most of you let bw do both women’s and men’s jobs with no problem and then dare ask why they angry.

funny how your route is to go to ww but once a bw dates a wm you say she has no reason to and that she cant blame all bm for some bm. so how come you guys can bash all of us because of one or two? explain this.

and if all bw are bad to deal with then how come bw/wm marriages can last longer than almost all other marriages in this country. what is it about these white men that they can be with bw and you cant? and its funny that you guys say ww but then black men and white women have the sorriest marriages in the entire country with the lowest success rates.

I guess de white wimmenz aint buying it either huh?

this…

@joee4u2
You see where your grandfather was mistaken was, men haven’t changed much in the last 50-60 years. The characteristics that men have today have changed only slightly. There has always been good men, gentlemen, abusive men, thugs, businessmen etc. What has change in the last 50-60 years is society in order to suit women and in turn that has alot of weight on the change or metamorpisis in women. Women never really study their uprising in society and why they have more prominent positions in economic regards. They just question why men aren’t “up to there level”. Before women we’re given their “equal rights” to them by men. Men had similar jobs to what they have today. Jobs that built this world and this country. Jobs where men risked their lives and health in order to provide for their families. Jobs that women “couldn’t do”, and quite frankly didn’t want to do. After women received their equal rights. There were more woman friendly jobs that were put into the forefront of society both economically and in a sense of valor. Therefore the majority of men will most likely not be in the same fields women are in seeing as men are needed for these jobs.

The real change came about with women. Who became less submissive alot more promicuous in their drive to be equal and on par to what they stereotype as a man. Thus making women alot less lady like, so what you see from men today is just men treating women accordingly. Men can’t treat a woman like a woman if doesn’t see her as one. Men don’t have the same care protective and provident nature when it comes to women anymore. Since you’ve become your own individual and feel no one else is necessary in your life we in turn have nothing to give you besides that thing. You said your independent we said OK. All women on this forum are doing is bringing up the past when they support the notion of a man being the main breadwinner. The society is yours yet you still won’t take the resposibility you have the best of both worlds. 60% of all consumer purchases are made by women, and 80% of all currency transactions are decided by women. The world is catered towards you. From now till maybe the end of time women will have the most power in society. So women need to think about what they’re asking for.

Just ask yourself are u the kind of man a woman should submit to?? be veeeeeeeery honest with yourselves…my mom has submitted 2 my father for 28yrs(still standing strong) but he listens/hears her when she speaks, provides her wants/needs, protects her, and would die for her…are many of you men willing to do that for the woman that you think should submit to you?? o yea, having a p***s doesnt make u a man, it makes u a MALE…thinking SIMPLY because u have balls that makes u in control…thats setting yourself up for failure…if u want to be “THE MAN” BE “a MAN”…

@ neva1betta,I can understand what you just wrote below..That I understand what you said about your parents.My parents SUBMITTED to each other for 35 YEARS until my fathers UNFORTUNATE UNTIMELY PASSING this JAN 29TH 2010..in the HOSPITAL after KNEE REPLACEMENT SURGERY. Both my grandparents on mom and dads side were married for 50 plus years to one another until their passing.

I think both men and women really need to understand what the word SUBMITTING really means when it comes to a MARRIAGE.

And because their are those of us who lived with parents submitting and cooperating with each other to run the household and take care of their children,its only natural for those of us with this same understanding to look for the same..

YOU DONT SUBMIT TO ANY MAN under these terms like many on here have said already if HE DOESNT know himself THROUGH GOD…That has to happen first…If that happens,then a woman will naturally full fill her role as a wife…

But when people are dating,we all should be looking for those qualities that make him a man and qualities that make women just that women..If you’re working on the foundation first of becoming a better woman or man and trying to understand the roles each will have to serve when co existing with one another,by the time you hit the alter,this understanding should already be their..We all have to work to be better for ourselves and the creator and then those other issues I believe will work itself out..

Someone else said that for a little girl to understand what being a wife is,she has to grow up and be shown.I agree..Same goes for little boys and fathers..Of course the real parents doing what they are suppose to do.So again ,this is part of the problem..Even if those of us who havent grown up with this,have to look at themselves and make a different decision to have that stability in life,in family ,in their way of approaching marriage.And stop letting society lead us astray.Thats what its designed to do.

TO GET MORE AND MORE PEOPLE UNDER CONTROL FALLING FOR SOCIETYS TRAPS THAT HAVE PROVEN TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO LIVES.:)

it’s that word submissive/submission that i have a problem with. when i hear that word i get the image of a woman who never speaks for herself and allows the men to treat her with disrespect and contempt. and i know in my head that is not what it means but that(submission) is a hard pill to swallow especially when i have been told that men are dogs (i know this does not go for all men so do not interpret it as such) all my life and that i should never trust them. it is just too damn difficult for someone like me to take this idea as my own. until i can trust without hesitation or limitation, i am going to HAVE to be alone for a while.

Damn (chuckle)

& SMH

oh and one more thing. while you ladies out there consistantly want to challenge the what being a “real” man is all about, it would be wiser for you check the definitions and histories of what being a “real” woman means. fact is, most of you do not want to submit no matter what the status of the man because YOU are foolish women. do not think that “real” men are going to want you just because you have a nice a’ss. you foolishly and mistakively think that you have every right in the world put our menhood on scales and your completely exempt from being the standards because you think your c**t is a favor to us. in very basic nature, don’t forget who’s the giver and who is the receiver. god forbid you choose to share your bed with a foolish man, but whatever status the “real” man you do choose, he will be trying to make YOOOOOOU happy and quite possibly forsaking his own. so check yourself before a “real” man has to. no dis.

@neva1betta
That goes with out metionong. A man should be the type of man that cares for his family. If he isn’t why is some woman married to him(I can think of a few reasons) but continuing from there. Alot of people in todays society shouldn’t be or ever get married in the first place. Women should also ask themselves are they the type of woman a man would want to protect, provide or die for. Since the answer to these questions will mostly be negative, marriage should be an alot more of an exclusive institution.

Umm….I don’t agree with everything that Monique says but, I have to half-way agree with the sister on this one….Size does not mean a thing….And i’m not gonna throw out a bunch of Bible Quotes to get my point across but we do need to submit to “OUR HUSBANDS” and Men need to Be the MEN that God intends for them to be. I see that there are a lot of SINGLE bitter WOMEN on this site that’s not even half-way open to this Advice, Nevermind who it’s coming from this is REAL TALK LADIES….”TAKE HEED”

While I don’t like the word “Submission” I know where this couple is coming from. And yes it is a more powerful, subtle role to be more amenable in a relationship. Unfortunately most black women don’t know how to play that role for lack of experience seeing that role take place. Older married couples know how to do this very well and you can see it at your next family reunion, BBQ, wherever you see them….

Lets use P*%%y control as an example. It’s the powerful woman who lets her man know, “You did something for me/us and I’m proud of you boo” then give him the reward, NOT “you ain’t getting any until………”, or “he didn’t do what he’s supposed to or no nookie 4u!!….” I don’t mean just the physical saying of those words, but the non-verbal action of my first
statement as well. Here is where the SUBTLE power comes in. The first builds up the man while not tearing the woman down, while the latter forces confrontation and steps away from the urge for the man to lead. The latter hurts him and is an ego buster. the first gives the woman the power to get him to do MORE positive things in the relationship, and for her. After a while, he wants to do EVERYTHING to please his woman.

A man wants to have his ego stroked by his woman. It seems women have forgotten how to do this. Ego-Stroking is like catnip to a man, just cant get enough!! Make him feel like a king, not browbeat him until all he wants is to run away. Tell him and most importantly SHOW him how important he is to you and he will respond 10 fold. Ask him to do things WITH you, not for you (or at least make it seem so, this is the subtle part).

In short, women have had it right for all these years. MEN ARE DOGS. Reward that dog, treat him good, feed him, take care of him, groom him and he will be the most loyal animal on the planet. Kick him, browbeat him, neglect him, he’s gonna run away and find a better home……

@ HybridHoney22…good point. We are the only race talking this mess and we are the race with the lowest relationship success.

@ Paneiro1…then there will be no relationship, because for whatever reason, compromise seems to be something that men (particularly Black men) feel is something that WOMEN do. Compromise has a prefix, too…CO…which means together. As I’ve said before, this is more reason why women are choosing to remain single. They can put out all the “can’t get married” propaganda they want, but the reality is the marriage is being passed over by more women more often and its because too many men can’t be men without a woman beneath them. Most women prefer a man who is a man without exception.

The core of what a man is, is to rule. Ladies, I will tell you, once you challenge the core of a man. One of two things will happen, you will break him and he will no longer have the killer instincts necessary to be a man. Or you will engage in a battle he is prepared to die for either way you loose.

with a true bond, there is no submission. when you and your spouse are building your future, it should be together…a partnership. not i before him or he before me, we do what’s best for us and our family as one. a woman being prideful and not willing to compromise with her man is just as bad as a man needing to lead because he “needs his ego stroked”. check egos, pride, and all other relationship killers at the door.

I love how so many of the males here are thinking that just because Mo’Nique said this that Black women should listen and do it. Because they agree and benefit from her choice, they think we all need do it. A woman said it, but its going in one ear and out the other. HOWEVER…when a man comes in to say that a man should pay child support without complaints because that is his child, then MAJORITY of the men come in to argue THAT man down. Or if a woman comes in to say that women should stand on their own and be equal adult in the household…then women need to NOT listen to that woman? Why is it if a woman says something that they agree with ALL women should do it? If a man says something that we agree with…its up for debate and each man needs to do what’s best for them?

LMAO…gotta love it!

@nunya…amen and amen again!

I DISAGREE WITH THIS TOTALLY..YOU SHOULD SUBMIT TO ANYONE..NOT A MAN A WOMAN ANYONE..A MAN SHOULDN’T WANT A WOMAN TO SUBMIT TO HIM HE SHOULD WANT A WOMAN TO WALK BESIDE HIM..NO ONE PERSON SHOULD BE MAKING DECISIONS IN A RELATIONSHIP YOU BOTH SHOULD BE ABLE TO AGREE..SLAVES “SUBMITTED” TO THEIR MASTERS

@ Yepthatsme…right back atcha! Pride and egos are relationship killers that cross gender lines.

Ephesians 5:21-33
Wives and Husbands
22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
1 Corinthians 11:3
Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

People can quote scriptures ’til the cows come home. I’ve SEEN many to be hypocrites for they don’t follow it themselves.

Granted, some Sistas DID make bad choices in mating, and in many instances ARE the custodial parent. But heres the things. For the brothas that are bru ha ha’ing about these sistas?

What are YOU doing to nurture and cultivate that oops! kid that YOU had towards THESE scriptures?

Uh-huh. Thought so.
Shaking my head…

“While I don’t like the word “Submission” I know where this couple is coming from. And yes it is a more powerful, subtle role to be more amenable in a relationship. Unfortunately most black women don’t know how to play that role for lack of experience seeing that role take place. Older married couples know how to do this very well and you can see it at your next family reunion, BBQ, wherever you see them….
Lets use P*%%y control as an example. It’s the powerful woman who lets her man know, “You did something for me/us and I’m proud of you boo” then give him the reward, NOT “you ain’t getting any until………”, or “he didn’t do what he’s supposed to or no nookie 4u!!….” I don’t mean just the physical saying of those words, but the non-verbal action of my first
statement as well. Here is where the SUBTLE power comes in. The first builds up the man while not tearing the woman down, while the latter forces confrontation and steps away from the urge for the man to lead. The latter hurts him and is an ego buster. the first gives the woman the power to get him to do MORE positive things in the relationship, and for her. After a while, he wants to do EVERYTHING to please his woman.
A man wants to have his ego stroked by his woman. It seems women have forgotten how to do this. Ego-Stroking is like catnip to a man, just cant get enough!! Make him feel like a king, not browbeat him until all he wants is to run away. Tell him and most importantly SHOW him how important he is to you and he will respond 10 fold. Ask him to do things WITH you, not for you (or at least make it seem so, this is the subtle part).
In short, women have had it right for all these years. MEN ARE DOGS. Reward that dog, treat him good, feed him, take care of him, groom him and he will be the most loyal animal on the planet. Kick him, browbeat him, neglect him, he’s gonna run away and find a better home……”

well said mv1609. your analogy about men and dogs hit the nail on the head. its such a simple thing to do so why cant some some of us women get that?

@NunyaBidniz… If you want to walk beside a man then dont get behind him when a starnger runs up on both of you with a gun. Sometimes you speak about things in your heart you cant defend. A man has purpose embrace the differences. But, because he is your defender when you cant defend yourself you should fittingly submit.

I see A LOT of you don’t even have a true understanding of the word ‘submission/submit’. You seem to have it confused with words like ‘control’ or ‘dominated’…Big difference people…

You can’t do something and you don’t even know what it is…
submission in the sense of man/woman, simply means to let that man be THE MAN. You as the woman be the heart, the home and nurture him..He, in turn protects, provides and gives you security…

It’s amazing how many comments have “real men” in them, all of us a really real; no matter if that is good or bad. I watched this entire Monique show and I have mixed views myself. But regarding the “submission” part I feel that if a woman knows who she is from the inside out then one word will not rock her boat. Submission is not a bad word or an unkind act, if you really think about it, it’s apart of the bigger word “LOVE.” And if you have ever really loved someone submission is not a problem because frankly you want to please them and if they really love you they want to do the same. Along with that comment comes this one. A man will do anything it takes to please his woman, but that’s if he really loves you; which means submission as well. That’s when he will give up anything even his life for you (only if it comes to that). Let’s face it both parties have alot to work on to make a successful marriage and relationship. But the real question is: Is either party willing to love “UNCONDITIONALLY?” In this society that is what’s hard to find!

Now, about that ‘Open Marriage” stuff, that’s a different can of worms! That’s a topic to discuss in itself!

At OriginaDondada…bullets kill men too. And I don’t go to places where being robbed at gunpoint is a constant problem. That wasn’t a well thought out scenario; just a grasping to try to make this submission bit work. It only works for women who either prefer, need, or require it for leverage.

@nunyabidniz
You see here is where the compromise comes in. I as a man(according to social norms) have to submit to the the idea that I have to take care of the family as far as keeping them sheltered and protecting them. I have to submit to notion that you have full control over when and if we will have a child. If a woman is pregnant she has full authority over whether that child iis born or not. If I want her to keep the child and she doesn’t want to end of discussion. I have to submit to those things. No ones trying to put women into slavery but men immedately accept these rules that are placed on them by society and we are expected to, yet women can do as they like with no repercussion. Are men beneath you since they have no weight in these kinds of decisions???

Being a man in society and being a man in a relationship are not the same. Strong men are not attracted to strength, it’s not appealling. White men don’t argue about white women being submissive or playing their roles because white women regardless of whether their men are white collar or blue collar are often more submissive, soft, and sensitive. This is why regardless of how many black men you see getting in car accidents just by looking at a black woman walking by, there are still black men who won’t get married or who date outside their race often times with women who share none of your physical appeal. Femininity speaks to a mans masculinity, it’s natural. It’s like the way a woman produces breast milk when she has a child. Imagine if your baby neglects you and tries to do everything for herself. according to your definition a “real woman” should be able to handle that and she could but your connection with your child will not be the same, it would almost be like she or he isn’t even yours. Welcome to the world of todays men. You will find some of the most manly men with women that can’t open a sprite. And some of the weakest men with women that dunk on them while playing basketball. Regardless of how impressive it is to see a woman throw down it is not attractive i’m sorry. I’m proud of ya’ll but ya’ll are more like colleagues sometimes then women we should be in love with.

Wow, not trying to make the submission thing work, it is order. The point is, that he is willing to give his life for you and you expect him to. For a man, this thought process is not new and it can be debated all day long. Here are the facts. A man will defend his and your honor to his death. Try and take that or challenge any man for his throne and you become what he defends it against.

You know what this basically comes down to? Women need to relax and shut the f*ck up. That’s it. Most of yall run your mouths too damn much. Relax. Let us be men and stop thinking we suppose to listen to all your drama 24/7. We have enough to deal with out here in society as black men as it is. We want to come home to a stress free environment. And yes we want what we want from you when we want it..LOL..it’s really that simple.

JazzyCreations… I feel you.. but, you know you about to get the business.lol

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@NunyaBidniz ITA

@ Paneiro1…two adults provide for the family. Two adults work to feed, clothe and shelter. I’ve said that in the days when men DID have to provide alone, that I understand and agree that women should submit. The man acting as the sole adult deserves that respect. Today, the man is only the sole provider if the married couple agrees to that arrangement. Then submission is understandable. As for having a child, BIOLOGY dictates that – not society. The rules of submission and gender roles are designed by society. The rules of childbearing and birth are designed by biology. Society changes with the minds and ideas of people. Biology cannot be changed.

And I disagree…strong men are not turned off by strength. Weak men are. It takes a lack of strength to desire someone to be weaker than they are to feel strong. I have only dated strong men. And being a full adult is not a headbutting battle of the sexes. Its just respecting that a woman has a purpose, desire and drive to be more than your accessory or your maid or your background. Any man or woman who needs their mate to be less, so that they can feel like more is thinking only of themselves. They are not in the relationship for the family/team. They have made the relationship about them and their needs. If a woman wants to be a full adult but does not expect her man/husband to be anything less than an adult man…who is she taking from? How is it only a compromise if the woman accepts that she is the one who needs to do the compromising? Did you ever think that this could be why marriages fall apart, because eventually that adult woman tires of suppressing her full spirit just so yours can flourish?

First of all… Monique.. You are correct in everything you have said. Because of the way God created things you must submit to your husband.. (This only applies if your man submits to God.) However,he must indeed submit to God in order for things to be in the right way. I Love my wife with all of my HEART but I must say if she made the decisions they would mostly be of her emotions and not of logic and the way things are. I respect her with every since of the word but I find myself often times not agreeing with her because of logic and the way things will turn out. With this being said… You are correct.. You must have the right man to be submissive to..

Who said I expect my man to give his life for me? What world do you live in? Its not a Bonnie & Clyde thang over this way, so maybe we are on a different page. I’m a team player. I like someone I can build WITH…not someone to build for me and definitely not someone to take a bullet for me. I’ve buried someone I love; that mess ain’t cool.

i wish i could get in touch with you mo!! great diet lose 100 pounds safe in 5 months, doctor approved safe,i have! done it. damn!as far as what she saids well, i think be with your partner when you both feel its right, no one should over power anyone, respect its about that.

this blog or whatever is nonsense….whether or not the man is worth submitting to isn’t even the issue nor the topic…because if you don’t trust the man then why are you with him in the first place? Point blank if you call yourself being with a man then you need to submit..if you don’t trust the guy then don’t be with him and thats the end of the story

I’m Ol school, I feel that a woman is a man’s comfort and confidant, in times of trouble, and not just when horizontal(sleeping and etc.) A real woman understands her man strenghth, and submission is more of a catch phrase rather than a reality, as basis of fact where emotions are concerned, and most women provide this comfort, willingly. A real man other hand realizes that a woman’s NATURAL submission to this does not in any way mean DOORMAT. In reality it comes down to appreciation, and acknowledgementto that the fact is that your QUEEN, is by nature, your child’s first teacher, functional home guardian,including,but not limited to, the personal sharing of the responsibilties of cooking and maintaining the home as well as revenue, and providing love and support, and most importantly communication, between the two of you. Also keeping in mind that if your Queen isn’t happy, then the effects of that unhappiness, will be felt throughout the KINGDOM, which is why(real) communication is key. Women and men have to develope the skill and ability to listen and understand each others needs and roles within a relationship. I find that women are alot more receptive to give if they to are on the receiving end. Relationships do vary. But it is a give and take on both ends.

So if I want to have a child and my wife is pregnant I can tell her to keep it and she must listen to me? I didn’t say anything about the capability of having a child. I spoke about the authority over whether child birth will occur or not. In a typical relationship whether sexual or romantic the woman has most of the merit in the decision of an already conceived zygote or whether their will be child conception(according to norms that are socially accepted). I really have no bias in the argument over who should submit to what. But with resposibility comes power and vice versa. Seeing as men are still the ones that are held responsible for providense and protection he should have the power in that case. You like most other women see no value in other forms of resposibility that’s why if a man has the power in these categories you feel you are beneath them. Seeing as your actual definition for an adult is one who provides financially.

You are mistaken it doesn’t take a woman to be beneath a man to establish his manhood. It’s not about manhood at all it’s about attraction. Men and women are different naturally, I think we can atleast agree on that. We know men are stronger then women naturally. Instead of men naturally seeking out those that are tougher then them which would be another man, they seek out those that are softer and more sensitive. It’s like this throughout almost all of nature. Women can’t enjoy their femininity because of their drive to be a man. You say it yourself that if you don’t match what comes natural to a man you don’t have a purpose. You call yourself an accessory if you can’t do what comes naturally to a man, that’s sad that womens psychology works this way but it’s not your fault entirely anyway. Men think women have a purpose, it’s women that think being a woman has none. I believe women should have the same authority but first they should have the same responsibility and if they do then there should be no problem in the dating scene.

last post @nunyabidniz

@paniero “according to social norms” is absolutely correct.

comparing biology (pregnancy) to social norms can be tricky. you don’t have to be the bread and butter for your family, your wife can bring it home and it doesn’t make you any less of a man. you choose to submit to those ideas, because that is what you feel you should do based on social norms.

i also believe strong men are attracted to strength. maybe not aggression, but strength doesn’t have to be brute. having a strong woman beside you doesn’t make you a weak man, unless you’re just a weak man. your wife shouldn’t define, add to, or subtract from your ‘manhood’. men should have a good grasp on that before they even start looking for a mate. before giving superficial suggestions, monique & friends should have put a little more thought into defining what a man actually is.

Hats of to Mo’Nique! I love the words she is saying and I agree.

However, JAZZY CREATIONS, Yo Brother! Without a lot of long drawn out words, you said it perfectly for us everyday people, so I will post your words again……..

You know what this basically comes down to? Women need to relax and shut the f*ck up. That’s it. Most of yall run your mouths too damn much. Relax. Let us be men and stop thinking we suppose to listen to all your drama 24/7. We have enough to deal with out here in society as black men as it is. We want to come home to a stress free environment. And yes we want what we want from you when we want it..LOL..it’s really that simple.

To all Men,Just like the true meaniing of the word SUBMITTING not this watered down version that so many are confused with.Please understand the TRUE MEANING OF A WOMANS STRENGTH AND BEING STRONG.maybe this will help clarify a bit..again not this watered down version of what you think it means..If you are a spiritual or religious being,then you may truly understand the differences.

MEN,their is NOTHING wrong with a WOMAN BEING STRONG.but please understand the TRUE MEANING OF WHAT A STRONG WOMAN IS AND WHAT A WOMAN OF STRENGTH IS in this context only.

A strong woman works out every day,
Pride in her appearance she portrays,
But a woman of strength kneels to pray,
Keeping her soul in shape, God leading the way.

A strong woman isn’t afraid of anything,
Looking forward to challenges each day will bring,
Women of strength show courage in the midst of fear,
Knowing triumph through faith because the Lord is near.

Strong women won’t let anyone get the best of them,
So skilled in defense even if they have to pretend,
Yet a woman of strength gives her best to everyone,
Being anointed with divine blood from the only begotten Son.

A strong woman relies on the physical attributes making her tough,
In her search for power and money she will never have enough,
A woman of strength understands that it’s not about material stuff,
Knowing that before becoming a diamond first she’ll be in the rough,

A strong woman sometimes disguises her feelings shadowed by clouds,
Unhinged when challenged on her policy becoming boisterous and loud,
A woman of strength concerns herself not with judgment from others,
And will not let business interfere with commitments as a wife and mother.

A strong woman is easily impatient back and forth she will begin to pace,
Counting on her holier than thou attitude instead of depending on faith,
A woman of strength is assured trust in God will always carry her through,
And at the Creator’s appointed time she’ll receive all that is justly due.

A strong woman makes mistakes and avoids the same for tomorrow,
Refusing to take time looking back with reverence and Godly sorrow,
The woman of strength realizes life’s mistakes no matter how slim,
While thanking God for the blessings as she capitalizes on them.

A strong woman walks head first with no doubt in her mind,
Again, no matter what, she’ll not make this mistake a second time,
But a woman of strength knows God will catch her when she falls,
So when a situation arises again, she’s not afraid to answer the call.

A strong woman wears the look of confidence on her face,
Always doing whatever it takes to finish, seeking only first place,
The woman of strength competes with an emotional sense of grace,
Understanding it’s more important to run a Holy Spirit filled race.

A strong woman has faith that for the journey she’ll have enough,
No matter how uneven the terrain or roads being rocky and rough,
A woman of strength knows it’s in the journey she will become strong,
And the love of God is forever with her, no matter how difficult or long.

A strong woman when uninformed thinks that she is being mistreated,
In the end her physical attributes fail causing doubt to become seeded,
A woman of strength will compromise as a little give and take is needed,
Why? Because a lesson not learned the first time is soon to be repeated.

UNDERSTAND THAT A STRONG WOMAN AND A WOMAN OF STRENGTH IS YOUR ALLY,FRIEND AND MOST TRUSTED ADVISOR.BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WOMAN IS WHAT FOR YOURSELVES..

Nunyabiz your entire post is so correct especially

“And I disagree…strong men are not turned off by strength. Weak men are”. It takes a lack of strength to desire someone to be weaker than they are to feel strong.

You knocked it out the ballpark with that. So, so true!

What happened to equality, trust, loyalty, and respect within a relationship? It sounds as if the message that is trying to delivered is that women need to take a few steps back into time and become the housewives of the 30′s and 40′s. Yes we as women need to be somewhat submissive to our men; but because we are often thrown into the role of mommy, daddy, breadwinner and anything else that the family needs, why should we become overly submissive?

I know that a lot of you guys are gonna come down on me for saying that. LOL Ask me if I care? LOL Seriously, most men today say that they want a strong woman. They want her to be honest, loyal, trustworthy, pretty, strong, independent, able to think for herself, employed or at least some sort of income, fit, respectful, and god fearing. The problem occurs when a man gets that specific type of women, he does not know how to deal or handle it that. Men want women to live up to all sorts of high standards that they themsleves are not willing to live up to.

Sisters……you are not off the hook either! You say that you want the man of your dreams. He must be tall, good looking, nice body, employed, and treat you like a queen. Hell most of us women would’nt know how to treat a man that stepped out of our dreams into our worlds. And for those of you that have had that man of your dreams…ask yourselves…where is he now? You walking around upset cause you see him with the next chick. You couldnt hold to him because you were not loving you the way should have been.

If we want to get to a point of surpassing whatever level of nonfulfillment that you are at in your life…we must first take a long hard look at self. Start loving yourself for who you are and where you are at in your life. Stop looking for Mr. and Miss Save Me From My Misery and and let Mr. and Miss do Right by Me find the you. Everyone that smiles at you is not for you or good for you.

In the words of India Arie:

But, I’ve drawn a conclusion, it’s all an illusion, confusion’s the name of the
game
A misconception, a vast deception
Something’s gotta change
but,Don’t be offended this is all my opinion
ain’t nothing that I’m sayin law
This is a true confession of a life learned lesson I was sent here to share with
y’all
So get in where you fit in go on and shine
Clear your mind, now’s the time
Put your salt on the shelf
Go on and love yourself
‘Cuz everything’s gonna be all right

last post @ Paneiro1….a man’s inability to dictate whether or when a woman has a child is dictated by biology, because the entire function after the man does his little part is 100% on the woman. Pregnancy and childbirth are spectator sports for men. Up until we regained legal rights to our own bodies, you could dictate this…again, in the days where you fed, clothed and sheltered your wives alone.

As for men being naturally stronger; physically yes…mentally, its based on the individual. As for women wanting to be men…that’s pure sheepdip. Humans were born with desires, the ability to think, which leads to dreams, which leads to wanting to accomplish those dreams. Society dictated that women were to suppress their dreams and desires and suppor their man’s. It is not a male thing to want to be an adult; it is an adult thing to want to be an adult. In order for a woman’s adulthood to threaten one’s manhood, that man would have to be quite weak minded to fall that easily. Again…if there are any conditions placed on when a man is or can be a man, then his manhood is already called into question.

@ Yepthatsme….you just hit it right there…” also believe strong men are attracted to strength. maybe not aggression, but strength doesn’t have to be brute. having a strong woman beside you doesn’t make you a weak man, unless you’re just a weak man. your wife shouldn’t define, add to, or subtract from your ‘manhood’. men should have a good grasp on that before they even start looking for a mate.”

Being strong is not physical…its mental and spiritual.

Thanks JayBee63

I agree with this clip. I think there are too many women holding up picket signs marching down highways saying, “Equality”. Okay for those women that do, go home…tell your husband he is no longer needed for a dayum thang. Because while you bull-shyt’n…I have a role in my relationship and the first one is…”I’m not wearing the pants in the relationship.” I provides my man with the softness, calmness and peacefulness needed in our household (no negativity nor drama welcomed) after he’s worked 16 hours a day. I’m going to ensure that all his needs are taken care of and his meals are all cooked by my hands. You see Sistahs, this is submitting…you have in your minds that submitting is him saying “Jump” and you jump…no that’s not it. I also believe in the word “Obey” in our marriage vows…it’s not saying that he will be telling me “got fetch that’. It’s acknowledging that he his the man of our Palace, my provider. I also believe just maybe some women will not agree with the way the caption is read “SUBMIT”. Will it soften you if it read, “Understanding roles in a relationship”. Because we do have different roles…and that’s what the couple was stating.

I strongly believe that when you have a man that compliments your resume on what you need and want in a man, as he does in you, it’s nothing to submit to his needs and let him be a man, because a man wants a woman that when he looks at her the softness is revealed. Especially if you have a lover, provider, mechanic, landscaper that you know supports, respects, appreciates and loves you and above all that he is fearful of our GOD. I have a wonderfully blessed and fulfilled happy home.

@paneiro “according to social norms” is absolutely correct.

comparing biology (pregnancy) to social norms can be tricky. you don’t have to be the bread and butter for your family, your wife can bring it home and it doesn’t make you any less of a man. you choose to submit to those ideas, because that is what you feel you should do based on social norms. and of course societal norms don’t always constitute truth.

i also believe strong men are attracted to strength. they may not be attracted to aggression, but strength doesn’t have to be brute. having a strong woman beside you doesn’t make you a weak man, unless you’re just a weak man. your wife shouldn’t define, add to, or subtract from your ‘manhood’. men should have a good grasp on their sense of self before they even start looking for a mate.

my bad…didn’t mean to post that twice

@yepthatsme
You see the term “strong woman” in society and on these forums is construed as a woman that can do what a man can do, so well in fact that she is an independent woman because eveything she needs she can get for herself. I’m sorry but the more a woman can do what is natural to a man the more masculine she becomes, just watch the womens college basketball for 20 minutes and then watch the wnba or a female body builder. It’s more then just a physical metamorphysis it’s spiritual, emotional, and psycholgical. Women become more like men as they delve into mens designations. Men are naturally the provider. Before technology and the industrial revolution etc. Women counted on men to hunt and build and do what comes natural to them. Women would nurture take care of family, cook and continue the blood libe thorugh child labor. Today those things have no value to you, they are beneath your standards for what a woman is. Regardless of what women do the more you take part in what is designated for men the less feminine you become. Even in your attitude, character and persona. It’s soo evident in todays women that it’s not funny. Women are emulating what they stereotype as men in order to compete with them this is why men and women bump heads so much. If you don’t believe we are go through each article draws opposite opinions from each gender and count how many posts there are. Look at the registered members of the feminist movement, or the mens rights movement. Saying a man is attracted to strenghth based on how the word is defined in this subject, is like saying a woman is attracted to soft men. Seeing as so many reinforce the fact that they don’t wanna carry a man I don’t think it would be wise to say it. A relationship has to be a mixture of 2 seperate strengths not a combination of 2 similar strenghts. Yes a woman in her natural designation is strong. Strong enough to support a family. So a strong woman by it’s true definition is attractive to men. Not what we consider a stong woman today

I find it interesting that the majority of the women are in here saying that submission is not necessary AND that they prefer working as an equal with their man. And the men are coming in to say…”no, equal is not what works; there has to be a compromise that makes one over the other. Preferably the man over the woman”.

Not one woman has come in to say that men need to submit and be less than women. Do any of you realize that you are arguing that equity is a negative and inequity in your favor is attractive to you? Think of how that sounds to you.

@Paneiro1, I enjoyed reading your last post and agree with you.

Like I inform my friends who are single, it’s not wasted time or investment for me to provide the things I do for my KING, because we have roles. Now, I’m not getting under NO hood of our vehicles, I’m not cleaning gutters or shoveling snow, or cutting the grass, painting, repairing, fixing and hammering. So why would I except my hardworking KING that provides for my daily, to cook his own hot meals, pack his lunches for his two full-time jobs, clean our house when he maintains it, and coordinate and organize all the other logistics that makes our household wonderful. He can cook…but why should he, I can call a contractor…but why should I. We are strength and softness with a plethora of love, respect and appreciation…and it works.

@nunyabidniz
hmmm??? According to you what is the difference between adulthood and manhood. You seem to be talking about the same thing yet calling it 2 different names. In one instance your calling it an event designated for a man to reach. In the next instance your calling it an event designated for a human to reach. Are you saying when women reach what otherwise would be called manhood it is now considered adulthood. Are you saying there is no difference between men and women and us dual sexed individuals should be attracted to eachother. Women have no appreciation for their own strengths. So most of these “strong women” have the qualities of what is a mans strength. I wouldn’t be repeating myself if people didn’t reinforce it. Your “adulthood” doesn’t threaten a mans “manhood” but your strength which comes out of your drive to be able to do all that men can and be independent is what dilutes a womans true femininity. Before you respond tell me what you feel is the difference between a man and a woman. because it seems the lines are now blured

@nunyabidniz
Also last post meaning previous. Next question is what is a mans role and what is a womans role in a relationship. Is it even steven. In bed is the woman on top 3 and a half days a week and hes on top the other 3 and a half days. Does he poke her sometimes, then she pokes him sometimes. how does it go.

Women are so quick to get defensive about this issue. If you’ve chosen a man who isn’t worthy of being submissive to then you have to live with your choice. But, don’t act as if that is the case in the majority of relationships. And truly you mostly find women rebelling against this ideal in the black community. And many young black women are not getting married or express dissatisfaction with their current love life. At some point don’t you think the math should add up?

@Soultry-soul;
Exactly! in the end it works,.and that’s what alot don’t get. go fig!

any woman/girl who submits to any male is an idiot. why?

1) unless man can create live, he is an inferior being, why would anyone submit to something that CAN NOT grant them life?
2) women and girls are more intelligent/able and responsible than males, what kind of logic would it be to say that a person submit to someone who has LESS intelligence than them?
3) the inferior male: one who can not/refuses to pay the bills, is present in his childs life, is a criminal/immoral being deserves to be put beneath the foot of any woman/man and child and NEVER respected.
4) in the end it is ALWAYS the woman who ends up getting things done, not the male.
5) man’s inferiority and immorality is not woman’s fault but his OWN, so ALLOWING and idiot to rule is NOT the answer.
6) the black male has been ‘allowed’ to rule for 500 years and he STILL is the greatest abuser of the black woman and the black woman has the highest rate of aids/hiv than ANY OTHER RACE, BECAUSE of the black male. why would she submit to her KILLER? and the KILLER of her children?
7) black males are responsible for all the derrogatory themes in music in regards to ALL WOMEN. so this person then should be ALLOWED to rule?
8) he allowed the black female to be raped, murdered and enslaved by the white man for 500 years and NOW is raping, mudering and enslaving her today, MORE EFFECTIVELY than the white male. AGAIN this person should be submitted to???
9) the black male blames the white male for all his immorality, his poverty, yet he is the number one drug pusher, rapist and murder of the black male and black female… does the WHITE MAN blame the BLACK MAN for his raping the white female??? NO… but the inferior black male will blame the white male in a minute…

in closing only the creator should be submitted to. never a male, and definetly an inferior male.

@soultry soul
Thank you Soultry. I’m just saying every team has those who have their roles on the team. Some of these women are so firm It’s hard for men to care for them the way a man should.

I haven’t called it an event for man to reach. A man is an adult male. A woman is an adult female. Adults have responsibilities. Period. Most are dictated by society. What is it that you are saying that women reach that is manly? What is it that an adult woman does that makes her “manly”? Is it thinking on their own? Having a career? Having aspirations beyond cooking and cleaning? Is it making enough money to keep the bills paid? Is being successful or working towards success manly?

I have no aspirations to do anything that men do. I simply aspire and work to be my best ME. My wanting to be good at what I do has nothing to do with anyone but me. Why would I need to consider how doing my best would look for my man?

The difference between a man and a woman is biological. Any thought patterns are learned. There is no gene that says a woman innately desires to be less than her man. That is what women have been taught.

As for your other post about woman on top 3.5 times a week….I won’t bother.

Egos, the issue become who is right @ giving time. R u willing to listen and admit when the other person have provide the right information r made right decision. It’s not always about money, and some people with alot of money make big mistakes in there lives. So being successful in not an immunity from being a fool. Sometime some sistas just want listen 2 nothing a brother has 2 say but will take the advice of another female, just because she is a woman and be wrong as all out doors and required and need female affirmation. Personally, me I tired of the battle between the sexes it become n old n boring. What we need 2 learn is how 2 work 2gether and not have such bad attitudes were we find ourselves in relationship that r combats zone. Some people just love to fight, and love disagreeing just to disagreeable…Who need it.

@nunyabidniz
Thank you. I’m not saying women shouldn’t work or anything of the sorts. I’m not even advocating alot of the terms of the roles I speak of. but every team has those who have their roles and that’s why they blend so well. If the man is(according to society) the provider and protector in the family seeing as consequntly he is looked down upon when he doesn’t provide or protect. Then it is his resposibility and those who have the resposibility should have the power. If you don’t believe in those roles your ok with me. Though I disagree because the biological differences is what differentiates our skills. If manhood and womanhood is the same to you then I have no reason to argue with you, and no reason to repeat myself to you. The only time I really think a woman should be submissive is in a romantic sense in the rrelationship. Of course the man should be the same.

A woman can aspire to be anything she chooses to be as long as she understands what her role is as it relates to her husband and children and home.

the best example that i can give that we all can understand is CLAIRE AND HEATHCLIFF HUXTABLE. this wasnt just a tv show,i grew up with parents just like them.smh.. the fact is ,,claire worked outside of the home but also worked inside of the home to take care of her responsibilities..today ,many women have to do this.nothing wrong at all with it.SOME WOMEN ARE STRONG ENOUGH TO BALANCE BOTH and their husbands dont mind because they are both giving the effort equally to run their home.its planning.sometimes DAD would work nights knowing that mom was home with the children were it was safe.dad would come home and mom would work a few hrs to help.

if i decide to ride a motorcycle,play a piano,cook,clean,nurture,play softball,work in an office,work as an engineer etc,,DOESNT NEGATE the fact that at the end of the day,IM STILL WOMAN,WIFE,MOTHER,CO PARENT AND RESPONSIBLE FOR MY ROLE IN MY FAMILY AS WELL AS MY HUSBANDS ROLE AND HE BEING RESPONSIBLE TO HIS FAMILY..staying beautiful through my spirit.thats the strength of a woman..

THATS HOW MY PARENTS DID IT.WITH COOPERATION,WITH RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER HELPING EACH OTHER WHEN ONE CALLED ON EACH FOR HELP,CP EXISTING IN THEIR HOME RAISING CHILDREN TO UNDERSTAND SOME KIND OF POSITIVE ORDER.

NO my mother wasnt BENEATH my father or OVER HIM.Some things were better left for either the mother to take care of and the father but each helping with each other when they needed it.As big and protective and loving my father was,he never called my mom out of her name,always lending a helpful hand when she needed it from him and vice versa.when things were broken,dad took care of if ,mom took care of running the house but so did dad in his fatherly protective role.dad putting up a fence etc but if mom wanted to help,he had no problem with that.if mom was to tired to cook one day,dad would step in. and they both equally spent time with us to teach us what we needed to know.if a nail came out of a door or whatever,and their was a hammer near by,mom didnt call dad if he was busy with something else,se took the hammer and fixed it herself unless dad said that he would do it.i mean,its just making things easier for each other and showing your children who are watching you how to cooperate with the opposite sex.

some people are just nit picking at every little thing instead of understanding the bigger picture at hand..

its just respect and cooperation people.I have no clue what some people are talking about at all.My parents didnt make it 35 years for nothing and they had the most respectful,unconditional love between a man and a woman that ive ever personally witness.

you damn right thats what i deserve and nothing less.just understand that we are MEN and WOMEN for a reason.BUT it doesnt mean that women have to be BENEATH A MAN.thats not what the scripture is saying..stop nit picking and look at the bigger picture as a whole..

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Hmmm…The key is being Selective, In the Type of Man You Choose. Submitting to a Man who is loyal/honest/stable/sincere…That sounds do-able.

Submitting to a Thug? Not a good Idea.
To a Silly Homeboy standing on the corner? No.
To an Unstable/unemployed/unintelligent Moron? Def Not.

Sadly, these days we are seeing far more of the latter, and less of the loyal/honest/stable/sincere Ones…Tootoo sad…

Okay…there are a lot of pieces missing from this puzzle. I noticed here how everyone is putting emphasis on “The Woman’s” role. I’ve also noticed how some comments point out that the woman is being “brain-washed” into this independant role.

The truth is this dates all the way back from slavery days, where families were ripped apart, litterally disected on every level. The typical African American family no longer has strong family ties or core family values, and NO father/husband.

A man learns how to be a man, a father and a husband, from his father – the man, husband and father. But men were taken away from their families. For generations, the African American boy NEVER learned HOW to be a “MAN” or a “Good Husband” or a “Good Father”. Because there is no “MAN” in the home. He also is not able to see his mother play the role of “WIFE”, and therefore is unable to see the qualities that he should be looking for in a woman – he only sees a woman as a “MOTHER” and that is why men tend to seek a woman with strong motherly traits. (which men turn around and dispise this later and refer to this as “nagging” or “b*tching”)

In turn, the girl in the home cannot learn how to be a good “WIFE”, because she is unable to see her mother play the role of “WIFE”. Her mother probably teaches her how to be “STRONG” and able to get along without having the male figure in her life, being the fact that men were most often sold off. She is also unable to see her father play the role of “HUSBAND” and therefore is unable to determine the qualities she should look for in a man.

In the beginning, we (African American’s) were forced to live with our families being disected – for so many generations…that it has become a way of life for us. Now adult males have babies, and willingly leaves his family, responsiblities and all. And the woman, is still forced to be the “Strong Black Woman” our mothers showed us to be. Taking care of all the burdens and responsiblities life throws at us, because we know we can do it, we’ve been shown that we can – we have what it takes to endure.
I think the particular words Mo’Nique used is inappropriate. It’s not that we “think we have a p-e-n-i-s”…its just that we woman are use to having to run the household alone, that it’s hard to have another “head” figure – who has not “proven” himself – to take control of the helm.

Now, if you go back to our roots, all the way back to Africa, most of the men there are all about family ties, being there for their children and spouses. ‘Why?’, you ask??? Because the whole family unit is there. Our family unit is EXTREMELY sacred… but the majority of the modern world views the family as a burden, instead of as the GOD give BLESSING that it is.

So, first off, we need our father’s back! Then we will have our family, and everything will fall back into place.

I have noticed that many comments touch on the Holy Scriptures, and point out the “woman’s role”…

But if you read more (of the bible)…you will see that the bible also discusses how a man should conduct himself – which (I think it’s safe to say) shows that a man must “earn” the gift of a woman’s “submission”.

IF BLACK WOMEN SUBMIT MORE TO WORTHY BLACK MEN THEN NO RACE OF WOMEN WOULD BE F**KIN WITH A BLACK WOMEN BY FAR.

The problem with life is that people cant hear touch taste and react to what they see properly. Alot of us get so emotional to the point where we cant even focus on what is actually being said without already having a set answer because of where you stand on a issue.

The bottomline is this…

There is a order in heaven.

God the Father
God the Spirit (Mother)
God the Son

AS it is in heaven so shall it be on earth..

Just like in a chess game. In order for one side/team to be sucessful there has to be order. The King is the Leader. The one that dishes out the strategy for his army and or team to be sucessful.

And then there is the Queen. The most powerful piece on the board. She can do anything. Just as God commanded the heavens and the earth to be made “The Spirit” moved. Now if The King who is responsible for his army.. his team.. has a rebellious Queen or a Queen who refuses to act in harmony. His Queen can be lost to the other team. By death or otherwise.

Alot of you think God’s law is a choice. And its not. Its being put there for you to have a foundation to survive in the world you live in. Alot of women want Kings but arent mentally and emotionally prepared to deal with what that entails. So Queens listen to other Queens just like Eve listened to “The most beautiful angel in heaven” and wonder why they have no King.

Well… Christ said when you marry you become one flesh. Which basically means. I cant do what i want to do and you cant do what you want to do. We have to move towards the best interest of the overall team to be sucessful or we will be destroyed.

Just as Satan had to capture Adam’s Queen in order to checkmate him. Its imparative that a Queen listens to her husband as long as they are truly one.

A lost Queen is a devastating blow to any King and having an unruly and defiant Queen is a disgrace to his own character and overall judgement.

There indeed is an order of things. And if you read the bible. You find out what happens to men who have acquired Queens without order in themselves. They get lost.

Just like Lot lost his wife to hardheadedness and as well as Adam. A good Queen is hard to find. All Queens are made powerful but its about what you decide to do and build with your power.

Satan has given power to the woman in society because she listened. Thats why a man is completely destroyed in the courts regarding anything domestic. Marriage, Custody, acts of voilence. etc. etc. But that is against the order that God has set up and thats why our people/genders cant seem to get along.

Our women and our men have the power to overcome all of this mess. Our Queens have the power to heal their Kings. And our Kings have the power to heal and justify their Queens. The real question is..

Is it realistic to expect after Satan has handed over so much to our Queens? My answer to that is.. Not really..

But God also states that in the last days a Man will be like Gold.

When America is out of buisness.. and all of the things that you trusted in are now a distant memory.. is it going to matter to you the financial status of a man or are you just going to be happy to have someone who will stand up and fight and die for you.

Alot of you are probably too angry inside to even consider this a reality. But it is. And real soon too.

When blogs like this are made we need to stop fighting each other and start talking about things and ways we can come together and fix our differences.

Instead of digging foxholes and thinking one gender has an upper hand when that facade is going to be taken away very shortly now.

Our conversations need to be about what life has done to us. Slowly. Why we dont trust each other. Why do mean only look for a physical relationship without the emotional attachment? Why do our women judge our men based on economical and social status in this world? Why is it that we cant even stand to talk to each other over the damn internet without there being a gender war?

Why?

Do you know why?

Because we are fools. And asleep.

We need each other.

Its hard to win a chess game without a Queen.

And its impossible to play a chess game without a King.

So I ask us…

Are we going to keep pointing the finger at each other.. or are we going to start pointing the finger at something or someone else…

oooweee! lol…they say even a “fool” can tell you something, but someone who’s in an *open marriage* and wants to talk about submitting…that business is -DEAD-..it’s easy for that fool to tell you how you’re supposed to live the RIGHT WAY, WHEN THEY’RE LIVING LIKE “CRAP”…everyone knows it’s harder to live RIGHT..that fool that wants to tell you something, there’s a reason why they’re a fool in the first place…yea i know (comprehend that) lol..In that case AM I 2 SUBMIT TO A MAN, WHO WOULD WANT TO HAVE AN OPEN MARRIAGE??? pfft, how does “godly and crappy” go together??? so she should just sit back and analyze HER OWN Business.. agreed, if you can’t submit to a man you shouldnt be with him that is true…no need to fight a “woman submitting” because the good book says to do so, no problem there! so the same ? can go for men to, why waste your time with a woman who wouldnt submit to you, there must be a reason why though…so check yourself first lol!! if she’s just down right stubborn GET AWAAAAAY….im with cali’..which i tried to post earlier but bp was trippin…to many ppl ask for things they only partially understand…submit to many men just simply means “LET U BE IN CONTROL”, i feel that if u just replace control with spiritual understanding between each other and compromise…then everything else should fall in2 place…@brotha jazzy, sad thing is u actually believe ur comment is the way huh? that right there just may be the reason u won’t find a woman willing to submit…its 50/50 not 80/20, of course any woman with sense aint gonna throw all of her problems on her man, but she may also expect u 2 hear her out sometimes and if u can’t do that…then damn sure don’t expect a woman to care about your needs…thats just how it is! Some men expect their woman to be their doormat, and that IS THE DIFFERENCE…men should understand theres a difference between wanting a woman who will follow your lead, who will listen you speak, and be there for u(things of that sort)…AND..being a woman you can USE like a damn rag r something..who’s only reason for being there is to please you, and get used with nothing in return (but u letting her know youre in charge) wtf is that??

Zeru25… I cannot ad or take anything away from that, it is the word you speak. Wisdom comes from knowing and fearing God. Bless you.

o yea @ soultry, you spoke the truth ;) you clearly have a relationship that WORKS how one is supposed to ; )

@paneira…your statements make it seem as if strength is a quality reserved for men. like you guys derive strength from your testicles or something.

“You see the term “strong woman” in society and on these forums is construed as a woman that can do what a man can do”
-society and these forums have it bass ackwards. a woman being strong has nothing to do with her being able to bench-press twice her body weight or pee standing up. it’s about her being able to take care of herself, which is what any adult should BE ABLE to do.

performing tasks traditionally performed by men (mostly because we WEREN’T ALLOWED TO, not because we weren’t biologically able to or shouldn’t) doesn’t take anything away from guys. stop feeling so threatened like we’re trying to replace you, make you obsolete, or diminish the value of your contribution. men do plenty of things women do and we aren’t stomping around with bruised egos. when a man is a cook, what woman is going on about how he should be outside chopping wood and keeping out of her kitchen?! lol i mean really, my guy being able to cook, sew, raise kids, etc is no threat to my womanhood or our union, so why is a woman bringing home the bacon causing such a ruckus?

“Men are naturally the provider”
-no, men can naturally ejaculate, not naturally be a president. attributing societal roles to nature isn’t validation. any mother or father bird can go out and gather worms for the babies. it’s survival, not who’s naturally fitted to go out and get the groceries. but this doesn’t mean that YOU CAN’T be the provider. if you and your wife agree that it is what’s best for your union, then by all means do so.

“Before technology and the industrial revolution etc. Women counted on men to hunt and build and do what comes natural to them”
-two important things here:
1. that’s what women we’re taught/told to do. those were the roles imposed by society. if a women didn’t have a man around, she wouldn’t sit and starve because no one provided for her. she would get off her rump and make it happen.
2. there is nothing wrong with a man providing for his woman/family. but i hear “let a man be a man” or such phrases and i look like, how the hell am i stopping you from being a man? how is me not dying if you don’t take care of me hindering your manhood? a man is a man with or without me around, otherwise he isn’t one at all. all this about women submitting, that’s like society telling all the girls to throw the fight and let you guys win so you can feel like a man. wth? maybe you need to do a couple more push-ups or work on your technique. but how dare you ask me to not live to my full potential so that your feelings/ego/pride aren’t hurt. if that is what women are marrying these days, no wonder the divorce rate is so high. i don’t want or need someone that i have to dumb it down for, you need to step it up. i myself am a strong woman and those that can handle it certainly do – and quite well. the rest are complaining about how women are too strong, fast, smart, successful, etc for them.

now as for partnership, if my husband is great with numbers and i’m better with my hands, then he should handle the finances and i’ll fix stuff around the house (or vice versa). this isn’t about women’s rights or male bashing, it’s about being seen as your partner and not your dependent. i would never ask my husband to ‘submit’ to me, so why would he ask/demand that of me. of course there will be a balance in our union (or as you put it a combination of strengths), but that balance is only partly decided by nature. you get me pregnant and i’ll have the babies. that’s nature. me naturally changing pampers all the time isn’t lol.

what… lol … yeah im a submit to him… and then find pictures of him on Mediatakeout on a beach with another chic…NEXT..

all those Men who say yeah Black Woman are too controlling that is because were always the ones who take care of s**t .. point blank simple … when you lose the job we get a second one .. when the schools call we go … when there are Doctor appts. were there… when the bills need to get paid were the ones in school trying to get those degrees so we can take care of us and home while working .. matter fact if you wanna keep it really” REAL “… were the ones who go down the poles and suckin the dick to pay bills and school loans… .. so yeah were controlling because we have to not because we WANT to be….and this isnt just limited to African American Woman .. this is relevant to ALL FEMALES of all race who are strong and controlling.

Hey Paneiro1, I’m not sure if you read my first posts but you said just what I did. If the man is the only one providing then I agree that the woman should submit. She is being taken care of and owes him that. I have no problem with roles in general. I take issue with gender roles based on social rules. If I am better with money, then why would he be in charge of it just because he is born male. Before my son’s father died, I couldn’t cook…never desired to learn. HE cooked…and he was goooood, too. As my son grew up, I wanted him to eat as well as he would had his father been there; I learned and now I’m gooood. I think there are roles that need to be covered; I just don’t agree that gender should dictate them. EXCEPT, as stated…in romance. Gender roles are fun, then. Really fun…yepperz…no argument from me on that one. LOL

Yepthatsme…great example of women being innately logical and not emotional.

This was one of the best exchanges/debates I’ve had on BP in a long time. No nastiness just exchanging POVs. I almost hate to leave.

I have NO PROBLEM with that….however the I don’t mind cooking/cleaning/doing the things that ladies tradtionally did forever; my late mom taught me that and I LIKE doing this (I know ladies get tired and they must be let go of their duties from time to time), but If I got a 9-5 job, I cannot work myself to death doing it ALL-oh noooo!
I wouldn’t mind a lady submitting to me, and I would reciprocate (except the handcuffs and tieups and that one thing I cannot mention). but the REST will be granted……..

I say to each there own…nobody can tell you how your marriage should nor should not work…to me thats something you should know already before it come to the I DO. To me submit is a term for both man and woman in the marriage because 9 out of 10 the woman is working too. So the man can cook a hot meal for his wife/pack the kids lunch for school,take the kids to their events/school/doctor,wash dishes/clothes,shop,pay the bills. The same as the woman can cut the grass,take the trash out,wash the car,feed the dog,watch the football game with him,give him some space. Its no 1 person to do just 1 thing all the time…you both have to work together. Now some people can try all the above and it still don’t work sometime it take that break up to make up. This is just my opinion.

sorry mo , but that is not advice….a woman submitting to a man is like a man submitting to god..but instead he is walking the earth telling everyone he is god and only woman would submit to him …a lion would eat him alive, a whale wouldnt even chew…dont give me no advice..thanks but no thanks…survival is submission to noone..sisters gotta do what they gotta do…

A real woman will be submissive to a good man. But the man have to know how to conduct himself and handle business while keeping himself in order to earn the submissiveness of his mate.

I think some of you (men mostly) need to just stop tying this to the Bible. Because for the most part, your want for a woman to submit to you is not based in a belief in Christianity whatsoever. Its cool to have preferences on what type of partner you want, but don’t act as if its founded in religion (or biology, which has even less evidence) when its not.

In the first place, for a man to come into a relationship demanding that his woman submit, or having that at the very top of his priority list, you know off the bat he is not worthy. Remember that in the Bible it does say for the woman to submit to her husband, but also in that same passage it spends about twice the amount of verses detailing what the man’s responsibility is to his wife. A key note from the man’s responsibilities “Love your wife as Christ loved the Church”. Christ made the ultimate sacrifice and inevitably, greatest act of submission, by dying on the cross for his people. I think the Bible makes it extremely clear that the idea of submission in marriage is one for the wife AND the husband, thus it makes no sense why some men lean on the Bible when the Bible doesn’t support their one-sided, selfish view. Even removing religion from the equation and just thinking logically, it just makes logical sense that that is the ideal way to have a successful partnership is for both partners to be on equal footing and help each other for the benefit of them both.

I don’t know what it is about today’s men, but they seem SO afraid of the idea of having a partnership with their woman rather than some role that they think elevates them or their opinion higher than hers. Thats not the makings of a good relationship, I’m sorry.

Even more laughable is the idea that a lot of these men will claim to be fine with being the traditional man that matches the traditional woman they want but they either 1) admittedly earn much less than their woman 2) admittedly work the same or less hours as his woman or 3) both. And yet they STILL think because of ‘roles’ he should not cook, handle child care, or clean up around the house more than sparingly here or there just because “he’s the man”. And that just goes back to my point that these men do not come into the relationship with good intentions because they rather see their woman overload herself with work to sustain his ego rather than help her where he knows he can.

More people, need to take their heads out of the butts and be less concerned with their egos and more concerned with developing a long lasting relationship. Placing pre-contrived roles on who does what before you enter a relationship rather than doing it based on each person’s strengths within the relationship, dooms you for failure in an era where independence is available to EVERYONE and not just men.

I enjoyed the chemistry between the couple. I agree, if your man is worthy of being the KING in the relationship.. let him lead!!

hudamuhammed page 8 has THE BEST AND MOST LOGICAL COMMENT ON HERE. HANDS DOWN

@PANEIRO1-Its sad u feel u have to live inside the box and see things that black and white, thats why there are other colors besides black and white. i do agree with you when u say that men and women have roles, its just tht i disagree it should be the same across the board. every woman is not going to want the exact same things in life-thats why the lines are blurred-because articles such as these speak in generalazations such as “women”and “men” should all do the same thing, like we are all robots. some women want to stay at home and have kids, me myself im a gypsy. i am an artsy person that likes to travel. THAT IS MY SPIRIT. Not a rebellion against being submissive. There are things i like to do that dont fit into a box some outsider put me into based on the fact that i am a female. The dreams that I have dont have anything to do with being “manly”. Some women want to be lawyers and doctors its called having INTELLIGENCE AND ASPIRATIONS. “The strength that comes out of a woman’s drive” is such a ridiculous statement. we do not live in the 1600′s. I know women that are submissive, passive, and still get left behind by cheating men. if they had no brains or drive they wouldnt have been able to take care of those children when the man left. We live in a very tempting society. cheating has been around for years but now it is so common and there are so many diseases it is necessary for a woman to have drive, so that she is able to carry on in case she ever gets into a bad situation.You can say that “men” are turned off all you want by a woman’s drive but men are greedy opportunists. Back in the day if “papa was a rolling stone” it would be just a song, nowadays that ho-ish mentality is killing off the race. not to go into other subject areas, but women need to have independence in this day and time, the world has changed. Its not about having dual sexes, because at the end of the day we have two different body parts which will compliment one another. too bad there are women that are just naturally more intelligent than men. at the end of the day why do i feel i need to be told what to do by someone that isnt smarter than me? if women look for someone smarter then we are called too picky, if we look for a provider we are called gold-diggers so instead we are called too “independent” once we provide for ourselves. nothing wrong with women wanting to stay home and cook and clean, but ive always seen women that do this completely F**BORED and unfullfilled. The same woman you want to keep behind closed doors may have the cure for cancer so hopefully you look at all sides of the coin and stop stereotyping all women-ITS NOT THE YEAR 1600. There is a freakin war that has been going on for almost 10 years! did you forget? in your scenario women in this situation who had husbands that had left them behind would be helpless, poor, insane and would not be able to run the house when their man is gone or dead after serving our country if she had no “drive”. The only difference between men and women is biology-i say this because once a HUMAN is in the wilderness and needs to survive, they will do what they have to do. A woman came from a man’s rib so there will always be a similar drive-if we go back to Biblical days we would have to make this scenario equivalent meaning no cars, no tv, no internet, just horses and carriages-you cant have it both ways, either its 2010 or its not

Yeah I’ll submit to a man an background check application and than we can talk lmaoooooooo

Its also pretty funny to point out the irony in Black men wanting to subjugate women to limited choices in what they can and can do, essentially their freedom, but are still in a battle to be free from racism. Very hypocritical.

Kinda weird when the ‘oppressed’ feel so comfortable being the oppressors when put in a different situation where they feel they have the power to do so.

@CaliFemme23
“This passage is the key…THESE DAYS men don’t seem to be able to lead a puppy down the street on a leash, let alone a full grown woman…”
Then it would only make sense that since so many women pick this particular type of man, that most women are too self-absorbed and overinflated in ego, that they don’t see that the man they’ve chosen, can’t lead. It appears to me women don’t know this because they’re too busy with their heads up their asses, trying to boss everyone. Someone coming at a man, from a neutral position, can easily tell which man is a good leader versus someone who will derail them.

@yepthatsman
If we are here arguing the term strong woman by its social understanding then why are you arguing with me using your own definition. The mere fact that you say a woman submitting is like telling a little girl to throw the fight reinforces what I said about women wanting to compete with men. Lets be honest if most women went out and hunted they’d die women aren’t physically built like men. honestly I believe in equality but lets not argue against scientific facts now. the scenarios you bring up are useless. If your good with your hands??? How many women are good with there hands. You can’t argue against the fact that men and women are made to do better in certain fields then their counterparts. You women on here arguing about women can be the main bread winner now, are gonna be the same women on the next article talking about if a man is “not on your level” or doesn’t makes as much as you or more he can’t date you(outside of maybe nunyabidniz). I’ll be keeping my eyes open for the hyprocrites.

to tell you the truth black men have an easier relationship with girls out side their race judging by all the discusted comments i see online by black women about black men i realize they dont even like us. so if u want to be happy go interracial…black women just aint my type no more thier too condescending!

It all leads back to the type of men that these women are picking, why black women choose to get with and breed with loosers always confuses me. They always pass over the hardworking, educated brother, and label him as soft for not selling drugs, gangbanging or whatever, then get withs some 2 time looser thats always in and out of prison and wont work a legit job! What do u expect the results are going to be? If u get with the good brother submiting should not be a problem because he is handeling his buisness, why treat him like a boy if he is handeling his like a man? Why give hime the attitude, be rude, and have to challenge his manhood if he is doing the right thing? Thats why so many good brothers choose not to date sisters, other races do not have a problem submitting to there man, especially the ones that are handeling theres! There are alot of good hardworking black men out there that deserve and want to be with there queen, but they do expect there women to act like a women not like a man! Get a clue sisters!!!

Also i know that alot of u black women think that being this so called “strong independent black women” is so attractive to men, but why do u think that most of u end up in your late 30′s 40′s with no men? If it was so sexy brothers would be lining up to marry yall, but black women have the lowest rate of getting married, why do u think that is so???????

I do truly believe that letting a good man lead me in a relationship does not make me a less stronger woman. When my man feels like a man it will benefit me in the relationship. It seems like women nowadays are to quick to let a brother know that they do not need them and then when he is so paralyzed by all this anger that he doesn’t make a move they turn to their girlfriend and call him a no-gooder. There are a lot of good men out there, but what are we doing to make the good in them stand out. We may be killing it by being angry and judgemental all the time.

Here we are as dying breeds:
Black Americans
Americans

And its amazing how quickly our foundation can change.

Within one generation we go from God fearing, to our young 20something black men and women saying that to people who fear God are sheep.

Where did that learn that from (I know the answer).

Two things,

Ladies if you flat out say no way to this, fine no one is going to hit you with a club and drag you by your hair to a cave. Just understand. Understand that we choose everyday the way to live our lives and our world around us respond occordingly. So don’t be surprised with how things turn out for you based on how you chose.

Secondly, to the ladies that say yes BUT…

Yes i would but he has to be worth it…
Yes i would but he has to be willing to submit me…
Yes i would but

You are just kidding yourselves, you really belong to the no I won’t group.

Hi everybody I have a problem with the word submission I think
our relationship betweem men, and women have really changed down
through the years, I think the key words, here are TEAM WORK,
UNITY, COMPROMISE, and EQUALS. Initinally a man is the head of the house hold that times has changed that was back in the roaring twenties, fifties, and yes even the sixties. Our level
of communication has changed between man and woman. I feel we
are equal saying that I believe a man should be allowed to be a
strong man, he should be allow to exercise his manhood not just
physically. A woman should be allow to be independent without
relationship drawbacks, I love a man that can stand his ground
just as a woman who knows herself, and is strong and independent.
I must say some men still got it twisted when they meet a strong
woman who is independent they still feel threaten when they can’t
control and independent woman. That’s my cue to walk away why can’t we as women embrace our strength from our heritage that’s
where it comes from not the soap opera that’s tainted bulls**t in
the first degree. We as african american people should really
be mindful of respecting each other’s history as we search for
true love an everlasting love teke care Opel.

of course women and men are built different, but i will say that as a 22yr old BLACK WOMAN, I have been in the woods hunting myself, now we aint talk LIONS, TIGERS, AND BEARS HELL NAW LOL…but if they get in my way i will blast their asses 2…as a 22yr old black woman, i’ve been using guns for quite sometime 9 mil,45, 12 guage shot guns..ive worked with plenty…as a 22yr old woman, ive changed flats and replaced doors on cars….BUT i can also clean the house, cook a man a wonderful ass meal, bake his ass the best cake or pie he’s ever put his lips on,rub his body down when he’s tired…work, and be the woman to carry his baby and look damn good doing it…..sooo it kind of depends on who you’re dealing with. It was a man (my father) That made me learn how to hunt, use guns, change flats, etc….AS A GURL I DIDNT CARE FOR IT..cuz i thought to myself women dont do these things…MY FATHER TOLD ME, yea you’re right…”but the way men are these day YOU BETTER LEARN” (as long as he’s living i dont have to worry)…but if i were to be with a man these days…that id need to know a lot…just to be able to survive if i had to and not depend on a man to protect me or whatever it may be. NOW, AS A GROWN WOMAN, I’M THANKFUL THAT I know the things i do, im a well built woman, that can do plenty of things thanks to him….i CAN COOK, CLEAN HOUSE, AND KNOW HOW 2 BLAST THA HEAD RIGHT OFF OF A *DUMMY* still dont mean i wouldnt know how to submit to the right man though…dammit and i have a 27yr old sister who’s *built* the same way…2 of the baddest walking…and its because of what we know/how we were raised/what we could do if we had to….hell her husband loves it lol anyway hate 2 be so random but, a woman doesnt have to be at home pregnant, cooking, and cleaning to be a woman. ; ) GOOD POINTS THOUGH PPL

Another thing once AGAIN, its always the brothas that were (LAST PICKINGS) IN HIGH SCHOOL, and STILL BITTER FROM IT…WHO ARE ALWAYS SAYING IT’S EASIER/BETTER TO GO “interracial” (let it go)…I mean if thats what u feel u have to do…KEEP IT MOVIN’ but running from problems don’t fix’em…many of u may say u dont care about fixing the problem, (u shouldnt have to) but at the same time..I’f you’re going to be willing to complain/argue about them, be willing to address the issue and make it better,if not fixing it…REAL BUSINESS

To eccentric_01, as well as other women who claim intelligence or lack of drive goes hand and hand with the comment submit to your man I feel sorry for you. If you pay close attention, hell if you pay any attention at all, Oscar winner Mo’Nique has her own talk show, does movies, and made a name for her self as a comedian. For you to say you’re an artsy person how could you have missed that? She has not let go of her dreams and goals to submit to her man. Also I feel most of the women who say things like that missed out on having both parents in your life. I was lucky enough to have a father who after my parents was divorced maintain constant contact. He even moved when we moved to stay close to us. He has been remarried for quite a few years now and they are happy. He is the head of the house in the since he leads by example and defends his wife. On the flip side my mother is an entrepreneur and owns quite a few properties. She has a very strong personality, dominate and a bit controlling and as much as I love her she has not remarried or date. My step Mom is no less of a woman than she is. She has a MSW and makes very good money. My father only has a HS diploma but has more common sense then the average person. He has been successful in his job and even held an official position on the state level. Now where do you see any of these women giving up their dreams in the case of Mo’Nique and my step mom? My ex wishes till this day she allowed me to be the man and let me lead, she was unable to submit because that is how her Mom was, who now has learned to submit and in doing so remarried and lives a life better than when she was on her own. She found her dream much easier to achieve having a strong leader who shares her goals. Besides, I can cook a clean better than most the women I’ve dated, so why would I need a lady for that.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Big Mo is a joke!

The key to submission is simple in a relationship. The Man Must Submit him SELF over TO GOD for guidance in all affairs. His hopes, his fears, his anxieties, everything is taken over by GOD to manage. The woman must also submit to GOD, all of her fears, insecurities, are all taken over by GOD. When two people have both accepted to have GOD lead their lives as individuals, then GOD will cause a Natural attraction to develop between them. Because they both Love God and fear God, they will have respect for each other as vessels of the GOD force that moves across the face of the earth and brings life and happiness into the universe. Like Adam before, God’s only instruction to you will be to chose life and be happy with one another in ME. If one can do this they will be happy regardless, but happier still when they find their mate.

In America, We are all equal under the LAW of the Land, “The Constitution of The People of The United States Of America. When we submit our selves to the rules prescribed within the Law, we are giving up our desire to be above others like the animals of the wild, but we all find security, a measure of Peace, and equality so long as we recognize the superiority of the Law of the Land over our own personal will or desires, we are all citizens equal in strength and duty to our country regardless of status or resources. So it is when we submit to GOD in our relationship.

@mddarch
I’m not exactly sure about black mens only chance at being happy in a relationship is dating other races. From my experience there are differences in women of other races personality wise. but the ethics of American women in general are pretty disgusting. The only plus’ you might find in women of other races in America may be in getting along with them personally. If as a man that is enough for you then fine. but finding a young woman that has and has always had good ethics and a personality you may like, I don’t think women in America are the first choice.

some men just “cry 2 damn much” i mean really, if a woman is to independent u dislike her, if she’s 2 needy YOU DISLIKE HER…are u looking for the perfect woman??? if so she doesnt exist….so damn…looks like women arent the only ones who will find themselves alone at a certain age. I know we all fall off and judge ppl sometimes, putting all women or men in the same boat is a huge mistake…I KNOW i’m a dang good woman…clearly its for me to know and you 2 find out is how i see it ;)

Physically, yes, maybe a man should be the leader. My boyfriend is clearly more brawny than I am. He could probably break me in half without batting an eyelash if he wanted to. So yes, he should be the protector. He doesn’t mind getting dirty–I hate getting dirty. So yes, I can see how he might lead me in a physical sense. What I don’t see is how being physically stronger makes you the one that gets to make the decisions and steer the relationship. Men aren’t necessarily SMARTER than women are. Men don’t necessarily have better problem-solving skills than women do. Yes, women tend to be better nurturers, but does that exclude us from being good leaders in our own families? We all have individual strengths…isn’t it more beneficial in a relationship to play to each other’s strengths?

HudaMuhammad:

You done fell and bumped your goddam head!

And for all you females out there with ‘p***s envy’: A woman is happiest in a relationship when she’s in the presence of a strong confident leader. And yall know this! It’s only an insecure scared woman who will seek to be un-submissive to her man. And some of you more rebellious females out there would swear on a stack of bibles that you are Christians: yet you pick and choose which parts of scripture to obey and follow.

God told u to submit to your husband, and that he should have RULE OVER YOU. Until sisters are willing to get back to this, you will continue to breed yourselves out of existence.

When you get tired of jumping from one d1ck to the next; when you get tired of waking up in the middle of the night scared sh!tless because there was a bump at the back door; when you get tired of watching those sisters you consider to be weak marching off to the wedding chapel and having good lives with good brothers; when you get tired of defending your own weaknesses that you perceive to be strengths…THAT’S when some of you will wake up and come to your senses. You need us. You need our leadership. You need our masculinity. You can never be a man, nor provide what God has blessed the man only to be able to give.

And the sooner you realize this, the happier you’ll be!

In my opinion,,men have the strength,and the power,but us women,have the brains,and the heart.So,either one could never function wothout the other..bottom line.

Somebody PLEASE tell me: in light of the conversations coming from the sisters on sites like this, when it comes to marriage: WHAT’S IN IT FOR THE MAN?!

I mean really: what do WE get out of marriage these days? In what way does it benefit the man?

Am I supposed to give up my freedom; be willing to part with my hard-earned money; lay aside all the other options in women I can excersize; to get with an unsubmissive, angry, black man hating, bitter, baggage-laden; bisexual experimenting, untrusting woman?! Are you friggin’ kidding me?!

No thanks, I’ll pass…

Until my sisters find their way back to reality, I see no reason for us to continue marrying you. Let those among you who are unwilling to learn and change remain alone; die off; and hopefully the next generation of black women coming up will be a better breed for my son when he’s grown. ‘Cause yall are a MESS!

@pecan757,
I think we are in agreement and when you say that the black family had been restored in the early 1900′s but something happened, you are absolutely correct. THE C.I.A. happened. They used war tactics and attack Marcus Garvey all blacks in America that were associated with his movement. So the cycle began to repeat. They are always going to attack you on the homefront first.

It’s so weird that black men demand things of black women that others would object to. Like this idea that women ought to submit to their husbands; if you broached this subject in front of a group of caucasian girls, they’d laugh you out of town!

@neva1betta
It’s not about being the perfect woman it’s about being a decent human being. Men wouldn’t supporting an American woman financially if American women didn’t date men based on their resources, and men wouldn’t mind dating an independant American woman if she didn’t place men in the category of an expendable luxury. American women have shown and proved that they love money and have no love for men. You were raised that way. So anytime an American womans financial situation affects her dating life it’s because of the ethics, characteristics and personality that come with it not the amount of money or resposibility.

Actually, truth be told, God did not say that women should submit to men in relationships. PAUL said that. Paul, an unmarried man, who told slaves to be obedient to their masters. In the Bible, it also says that slaves should never seek to change their position. Do we want to go back to slavery as well? It also says to stone children to death if they talk back to their mother or father. It says not to be sexually immoral, because your body is a temple and your body is joined with whomever you have sex with. How many of you men saying “It says this and this and this in the Bible,” can truly say you waited until marriage to have sex? How many of you have had children out of wedlock? NONE of that is biblically sound. It says a lot of things in the Bible that people ignore. Why? Because times change. Women are educated now. We can achieve nearly the same level of success as, even more than, our husbands. Back then, women had to submit to their partners because the partners had all the learning. Women could not make informed decisions on their behalf because they were not equipped to do so. NOW we are. And you’re telling me that just because I have the wrong set of mammary glands that I have to submit?

And another thing: the role for women actually has usually included spiritual leader. Even for white women. When men sit around at home waiting for the basketball, football or baseball game to come on, drinking beer, wanting to relax after a long week of work, WHO is the one that gets up, takes the children to church, and takes them to Sunday School? Who gets them involved in the church choir, the usher board, the missionary circles, etc.?

@Paneiro..”American women have shown and proved that they love money and have no love for men. You were raised that way.” my man ya killin me lmfao….naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah some women may have been raised that way, hell i will even say the majority…but please dont speak as if thats truth about all women…maybe you believe that’s true because thats the only kind of women you’ve been subject to,MANY MEN HAVE…but i for one don’t GIVE A DAMN ABOUT A DOLLAR…the way i feel i need enough to survive in this lifetime, and im doing that….but worrying about $$$, materialistic shyt ITS NOTHING..BECAUSE IF I DIED 2DAY ALL THAT ISH* WOULD STILL BE HERE…SO TO ME ITS NOT ALL THAT IMPORTANT…THERES ANOTHER LIFETIME THAT MEANS MUCH MORE THAN THIS ONE ;)..I’m an american woman yes…BUT UHHH im MY OWN american woman, not the rest…once again puttin all women in the same boat…TSK TSK..SUCH A BAD THING ;)

i swear if could beat sense in2 some black men…i’d give many of you A GOOD ASS “SPARTAN KICK” 2 THE CHEST…LMFAO…HOWS THAT FOR AN ANGRY BLACK WOMAN….yall can’t seriously keep putting all black women in the same boat, seeing us all as the last 3 or 4 dumb asswipes…that may have done u wrong….so i mean its not just some black women who have lost their way…MANY BLACK MEN HAVE 2. 2 MANY PPL ARE QUICK TO POINT FINGERS B4 THEY CHECK THEMSELVES SMH…

Why Don’t Mo’Nique’ shut up some…I thought relationship was suppose to be equal…why can’t each person meet each other half way,what with this “if women would submit more would men step up and take the lead”.Marriage is a union..Ever since she thinks its okay for men to cheats and its shouldn’t destroy a marriage i pretty much say forget her and her stupid show…Yeah.i know that her show will go on without me watching it so please don’t even bother to mention it…
I honestly don’t like her any more…she is crazy…why women have to be second…God created us equally, women are capable of being leaders and anything else,as well as men…I am sure a lot of loser men will lied and say oh yeah if women would take the back seat and give me them the rein they would step up more..Not all guys thinks they have to be the leader in a relationship..Stop making things so complicated..each relationship is base on people who are in it and what they will accept and will not…Mo Nique need to stick with comedy and stay away from these topics..

Paneiro1, You lost all your cred with that one comment about women being raised a certain way…

So you mean to tell me that you have personally met EVERY american woman on the earth to make such a general ASSumption?
OR are you men too afraid to admit that you don’t know how to choose a good woman so you continually run into the wrong ones?

I wasn’t raised to dig in a man’s pocket, I wasnt raised to hang out at the club, I wasnt raised to get my hair and nails done on someone else’s dime, I wasnt raised to run the streets with the homegirls….

MY FATHER raised me to be a sensible, respectful, independent black woman who has something to offer a good black man. See I was raised by a good one, so I RECOGNIZE a good one..Now if you men aren’t recognizing good women, and yes WE are out there, then you need to check yourselves, and ask what exactly did YOUR mothers do wrong that you keep coming across bullshyt women…

I can only HOPE that you bitter men, raising your sons to be bitter men, don’t ever run into my daughters in life…

Because if you can deduce what is right and wrong about said woman, you can choose better.

WatchMeSucceed, “What does a man get from marriage?”

He gets the same damn thing a woman gets from it. You don’t think a woman parts with her hard earned money? You don’t think women ‘pass up’ all the men she could have been dating or seeing or whatever? You don’t think women have to deal with issues that a man can bring as well?

The point of marriage for BOTH parties involved is to enjoy a solid foundation as opposed to all this instant sex thrown around every which way in society. BOTH parties should have the ability to relax and know that they have a good person on their side who is only going to make them better in the long run. They know that they can depend on one another when needed for support. They should be creating and raising beautiful, intelligent offspring.

You men kill me thinking that you are the only ones in a marriage that make sacrifices. The hell do you mean’what do men get from marriage….’. And if you think that passing up cheap p*ussy every other night is such a horrible thing, and marriage isnt worth it, then damn! Yeah brother, you need not even walk down that aisle if that ‘other’ ass in your life is such a huge sacrifice that you have to mention it….

“MY FATHER raised me to be a sensible, respectful, independent black woman who has something to offer a good black man. See I was raised by a good one, so I RECOGNIZE a good one..” TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTH RIGHT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!

Or better yet…

ALL Men are on the DL…
ALL men are only interested in sex…
ALL men are unemployed living at home…
ALL men are abusive…
ALL black men are in gangs…
ALL men drop out of college..
ALL black men hunt white women..

THERE YA GO! There are some factual generalizations fa ya asses!!! Now how stupid is that to say about an entire gender of people that I HAVENT EVEN MET!!???!
You freakin morons!!!

@califemme
What do you want me to say, there are exceptions to every rule?? That goes without saying. For every 10 well made benz’ that come out of manufacturing there will be one that has flaws. But people can always say that benz’ are well made cars. So if I say American women don’t really love men, do I really need to say there are some that there are some that do. Throughout my lifetime I’ve traveled went to school in diffent places had friends and still have friends of different backgrounds and races. I’ve had these conversations with these people a thousand times. It’s always the same result. Then you turn to the media and television and see the same result over and over. Is there really a need to be tactful with that comment. It’s in our faces everyday, the same women arguing with me know a bunch of women that fit in my description. All these women that divorce there husbands for whatever reason and leave with his life in there hands are the same women pretending like they didn’t see the same faults in these men during the whole dating and courting experience.

Human beings have become to smart to go back and live the way life was intended. Women have come a long way with women’s liberation and all the other society changes. When life was simple and it was the natural order to meet, court, and then get married to someone and live happily ever after, it all made sense. However, now days, were to advanced for that. Women no longer cherish their bodies as sacred, they are just as horny as men and give it up to every man they date. Women want freedom a little earlier then men, so they usual get a job, a place, and a car way before the men they date. This has also made men a lot lazier because they can move from mommy’s house to girl friend’s apartment. You have so many women who despite what they say, seem to constantly attrack men who are not mature and then they think that they can change them so they get involved with them, have children, and then try to complain about a man that doesn’t have the maturity or the desire to do all the things she should of made sure he had before getting with him. Submitting to your man is taken from the Bible, but as we all know, we don’t live by GOD’s word, so none of this makes sense to us because we are hell bent on doing things our way. One could easily argue that people were not happy with things in the natural order as well. It meant the women stayed home and raised kids, cooked, cleaned, and had sex with her husband when he wanted, and still put up with the womanizing. I think the key is understanding who you are, what you want out of a relationship and then finding someone who wants what you want. Everything in this world evolves, be it for the better or worse. Unfortunately, relationships are the next victim. No one can truly make anyone happy for long. At some point it all becomes boring and uneventful. It will always boil down to the bottom line being that some people because of their values will inherently do the right thing and others will bow out.

Paneiro1, What do I expect you to say?

I expect you to NOT generalize as such…NO ONE likes to be put in one huge box when we are all different in some way or another. Give us that small bit of respect…
I respect black men, as I stated before, I was raised by one of the best and I show it…So I like the credit I give in return.

I give you much props when you post in these forums, but you turn around and smash on that with your generalizations…not cool

@marvice60,,,, you mean to say many women give it up just as much as men..NOT ALL….

If some of you men have mothers and sisters that are respectful and cherish themselves..why cant other women in society do the same especially if they were brought up the same way?

this is one of the many reason why as we get older,so many complain about not being able to find a good thing.

some women are gold diggers,some women TRY not to live by GODS word,some women are loud,disrespectful,TOO INDEPENDENT,FAKE,two faced,BACKSTABBERS,ADULTURERS ,,

SOME women are compassionate,LOYAL,kind,,loving,cooperative,help to pull their own weight by themselves and in a relationship with a man for the better of them both as a unit,,pick EXTREMELY CAREFULLY who they CHOOSE to lay down with which usually turns into EXTREMELY LONG RELATIONSHIPS AND MARRIAGES…some women try to uplift,stand by,give encouragment to their MEN OUTSIDE THE BEDROOM AND ALLOW THEIR MEN TO LEAD THEM WHEN IT IS PROVEN THAT THEY CAN LEAD this type of SIMPLE,BUT STRONG,GOD fearing woman.

YOU SEE,it all comes down to WHAT KIND OF MAN YOU ARE,and what kind of WOMAN you were RAISED TO BE..

If you were RAISED with a PROTECTIVE,LOVING,KIND,LOYAL,RESPECTFUL,HUNTER,GATHERER,FUN ,DOWN TO EARTH,COMPASSIONATE,YET STRONG MAN AS A FATHER,WHO TAUGHT YOU HOW TO CONDUCT YOURSELF AS A A YOUNG LADY AS TO RESPECT TO YOUR BODY AND WHAT YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR IN A MAN,THEN you are going to naturally look for that if you cherish your father.

My father was 25 years in the army,and he also taught me how to take care of myself just as someone else stated IF I NEEDED TO DO SO.But it was always understood that ONCE I CAME ACROSS A MAN THAT UNDERSTOOD HIS ROLE,it would allow me to NATURALLY fall back into my ROLE AS friend,lover,confidant,helper,loyal,to him etc because I would of RECOGNIZE that in the way he was RAISED and recognized that in his spirit,,

SO THIS IS WHY I SAY YOU SHOULD REALLY SAY SOME WOMEN…BEING RAISED THIS WAY HAS ALLOWED SOME OF US WOMEN TO RECOGNIZE EARLY ON IN YOUTH AND IN ADULTHOOD ,WHO HAD THE TOOLS AS A MAN TO LEAD A HOUSEHOLD AND FAMILY AND LOVE A WOMAN THE WAY SHE DESERVES.

which in term,has allowed some women to wait on sleeping around.whats the point of sleeping around when I cant respect your MIND,INTELLECT,SPIRIT AS A MAN if I have those tools in me?

please men when you speak about women not doing certain things.YOU REALLY NEED TO SAY SOME…because for those MEN WHO ARE WITH WOMEN LIKE US,THEY HAVE NO COMPLAINTS.. no matter what color they happen to be.. IF YOUR A SUPERFICIAL MAN and cant recognize YOUR GREATNESS IN GOD AND TRY YOUR ABSOLUTE BEST,YOU WILL ALWAYS BE THE KIND OF MAN THAT WILL CONTINUE TO MISS OUT ON REAL WOMEN WHO WERE RAISED TO DO THE RIGHT THING. :)

ALL REAL BLACK WOMEN SAY HERE!LOL HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERE…AND IM -OUT-

There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine…

An man’s insecurity about his manhood is not his fault. I do not challenge the manhood of my boyfriend. I show him I love him and respect and appreciate him. I’m grateful for the love that he gives me and for the safety I feel when I’m in his arms. Just because I take the lead on things that I have a gut feeling about shouldn’t detract from his manhood…and it wouldn’t if he were a real man. I defer (or submit) to his expertise on things we know are his strengths, and he defers (or submits) to my expertise on things we know are mine. That’s how a team works. That’s how the body of Christ works.

@ WATCH ME SUCCEED… WHO SAID.

A woman is happiest in a relationship when she’s in the presence of a strong confident leader. And yall know this! It’s only an insecure scared woman who will seek to be un-submissive to her man. And some of you more rebellious females out there would swear on a stack of bibles that you are Christians: yet you pick and choose which parts of scripture to obey and follow.

God told u to submit to your husband, and that he should have RULE OVER YOU. Until sisters are willing to get back to this, you will continue to breed yourselves out of existence….

MY Question with all due respect is this…You and others keep qouting the scripture that WOMEN SHOULD SUBMIT TO THEIR HUSBANDS.

MY QUESTION TO YOU AND ALL OTHER MEN IS THIS,,,

1. What does the ENTIRE scripture say about a HUSBANDS CONDUCT under this RULE?

2.MEANING, how should a MAN,HUSBAND show RESPECT for his woman wife and how should HE TREAT HIS WIFE? im really curious because you are not the only one that just QUOTES this ONE LINE IN THE SCRIPTURE without QUOTING THE ENTIRE UNDERSTOOD MESSAGE AS IT RELATES TO A MAN AND WOMAN.. Im asking respectfully.

CAN YOU PLEASE LIST THEM FOR ALL THE WOMEN ON THIS SITE.

Nevaone….oooweee! lol…they say even a “fool” can tell you something, but someone who’s in an *open marriage* and wants to talk about submitting…that business is -DEAD-..it’s easy for that fool to tell you how you’re supposed to live the RIGHT WAY, WHEN THEY’RE LIVING LIKE “CRAP”…everyone knows it’s harder to live RIGHT..that fool that wants to tell you something, there’s a reason why they’re a fool in the first place…yea i know (comprehend that) lol..In that case AM I 2 SUBMIT TO A MAN, WHO WOULD WANT TO HAVE AN OPEN MARRIAGE??? pfft, how does “godly and crappy” go together?

Nevaone:

I was thinking the same thing. I love Monique, but she is not the person to give anyone any advice on certain topics. It’s hard to take even valuable information if the mouth it’s coming from isn’t quite right. But as they say “even a broken clock is correct twice a day.” I don’t agree with most of the stuff she has had to say but I tell you some of these posters are on point.

@watchmesucceed….If real men can understand their conduct under GODS LAW,then I can kind of agree with the statement that you made about

EVERY WOMAN is happiest in a relationship when she’s in the presence of a strong confident leader.

The one thing I disagree with is that ,EVERYWOMAN might not be happiest with a strong confident leader because maybe they dont understand what it is to look for.

As for me,,I AM ONE OF THOSE WOMEN WHO IS HAPPIEST WITH A STRONG CONFIDENT LEADER..I witnessed that kind of GREATNESS AS A GIRL IN MY FATHER.that doesnt mean WOMEN dont lead in their way as well.but for the sake of a MANS role as it RELATES to a WOMAN.for me and many others,I can agree with that.BUT ONLY IF ITS UNDERSTOOD BY THAT MAN WHAT HIS ROLE IS.

@Califemme
Ok I will be more accurate with my words. Logically not all american women feel that way.

Do I agree with how MONIQUE lives her life? NO I DONT. for me,I cant see how a MAN is showing a woman her RIGHTLY DUE RESPECT if hes sleeping with other women.and vice versa.Its well doc**ented that monique has been abused.So she may not know what it truly is like to be truly loved by a REAL MAN whos applying and living by Gods way of standards.thats her journey….But the whole submitting thing from the scriptures is something that needs to be looked at..

everyone has free will ,the’ve gotten away from discipline and rules and all we have to do is look around and see that PLAN getting away from discipline has landed society as a whole in deep hot water.its up to us individually to protect ourselves from the un disciplined.we all know right from wrong,so we just have to try our hardest to do the right thing ,even when its not popular to do so.

Lets see what the bible says… and Finally someone that has somewhat of an influence with the women speaks out and says it. Now… first and foremost women did not “choose” men in the bible, we chose them, society got it completely backwards and in turn our women are wayyyyyyy out of order these days… and men for that matter are backwards but this is about the women being submissive.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. {as you can see the husband is to rule over his wife and her desire shall be to him, meaning she should desire to do what pleases her husband}

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. {Just as the husband is subject to Christ the woman is to be subject to her husband as unto the Lord… you can’t circ**vent your husband to get to Christ… that’s out of order}

1Pe 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; {a wife that’s in order according to the bible can actually get her husband back on track if she following the Most High by her actions}

1Pe 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
1Pe 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. {As you can see Sara who is perfect example of a woman in order even called Abraham lord, the word lord means master for those who didn’t know}

As you can see the bible cleared up any questions for those who believe and listens to what the Most High has to say, those who are out of order and want to continue doing what THEY want to do will object to it… hope whoever read this got some spiritual understanding… peace.

CourtneyR, “please men when you speak about women not doing certain things.YOU REALLY NEED TO SAY “SOME”…because for those MEN WHO ARE WITH WOMEN LIKE US,THEY HAVE NO COMPLAINTS..”

Thank you sister! That’s all I was trying to say…

I agree 100%…he finds she,she chooses him…either way submission yes, but submit accordingly. Meaning he treats you like he suppose to treat you….oh yes!!! If he does not, you pray, do what you suppose to do as a wife(do not loose yourself) love on you as well and if children are involved respect.

@califemme23.. your welcome.I understood exactly what you were trying to say.Its pretty self explanatory.

Submit is a term for both men and women to do thats in a relationship/marriage. Just because the man work don’t make him get anymore or any less in the relationship/marriage. Some women work and do the man role in the relationship and still don’t get anything done. They come home and have to cook,clean,take out the trash,wash clothes,etc. The only way submit should be used in anything is that your relationship/marriage is 50/50 on everything from work to sex to cooking/taking the trash out to taking the kids to events.

@ kevanj,,. thank you for that..but I still have to ask,WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT HUSBANDS AND HOW THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO TREAT THEIR WIVES to be worthy of a WIFE submitting to you?

How should A HUSBAND CONDUCT HIMSELF TOWARDS HIS WIFE IS WHAT IM ASKING?

YOU see,how I see it is this,SOME men are not commenting on how a husband is suppose to treat his wife because perhaps they do not know…

Their is CONDUCT of BEHAVIOR that MEN are suppose to have for WOMEN to naturally submit.

A woman is not required to submit in these terms that we are stating if a MAN,HUSBAND is not EXHIBITING the RIGHT BEHAVIORS TOWARDS HIS WIFE.

If some men believe in what the bible is saying about women submitting,then you should ALSO KNOW WHAT CONDUCT AND BEHAVIORS YOU SHOULD HAVE TOWARDS HER.

WHAT ARE THEY RESPECTFULLY?IT SAYS IT .HOW ARE MEN TRULY SUPPOSE TO TREAT THEIR WIVES?

@CaliFemme:

You still never answered my question. WHAT DOES TODAY’S BLACK MAN GET OUT OF MARRIAGE? And you can’t DARE compare the sacrifices my dear:

70% of all divorces are brought by WOMEN.

Women are almost always certain to gain alimony support after they bring the marriage to a close.

Women get to keep the children.

Plus if there are kids involved, the woman is guaranteed a paycheck until that child turns 21.

When men marry, we do it for love. NOT for security and status, like women so often do.

What I’m getting at is men today don’t NEED marriage. It only benefits the female. Unlike YOU, we can go on making babies way past our 50′s and 60′s. And thanks to Zane and Noire, and the entire street lit book movement, black women are more hoe-ish acting than ever. I’d like to see you blame rap music for that sh!t…

Why should I ‘buy’ you (marry you), and take on all your baggage, when I can get my fleshly needs met by you, keep my money, keep it moving, and when I’m good and ready to settle down, find someone to settle down with who doesn’t have the anger issues of today’s American sister?

I guess what I’m pointing out to my sisters with such hatred towards black men is: WE DON’T NEED YOU like you think we do! Keep your crappy attitudes…keep your baby daddy drama…keep your unrealistic expectations. Those of us who have ourselves together and know our worth as black men will NEVER settle for a drama queen, just because you happen to be black. We can get with a Caribbean sister, one from the Mother Land, or one from mixed race background.

And yes, I’m being a little facetious…

See, the REAL problem with my sisters is: yall keep confusing the REAL brothers with those lackluster niggas yall have grown comfortable dealing with! You can’t lump the majority of black men in with them busters! But many of you do it.

There’s a whole world of black men out there that ain’t NOTHING like the sorry men most of you have kids by! We out here taking care of our kids, handle our business, got our own sh!t too, and don’t need a woman to mother us and take care of us. We out here doing grown man ish!

But most of my sisters are scared of brothers like us. Because you know in order to deal with us, you have to step your game up to a higher level. We won’t let you get away with the stuff those busters will. We won’t tolerate you being FAT; slick at the mouth, hoe-ish. Some of yall are simply comfortable dealing with scrubs…and you KNOW IT!

You wanna find the real brothers: STEP YOUR GAME UP. Then you won’t NEED the services of a damn sperm donor!

This is really sad, because it is so basic. Other cultures have figured this out at the same time they discovered fire. If we are not to elect the man as head of household and somehow we are equal in position. Then when a final decision need to be made who holds the tie breaker, just way to complicated. But, as far as this house, we worship and honor, God. We follow the order God has set, as it is in heaven, so shall it be on earth. She nor I will ever dispute that. I treat her like I would treat myself and when it comes to decisions I solicit her advice and counsel, but when a final decision has to be made it is mine to make. A good leader leads with integrity, he motivates and holds himself accountable to the same things he ask of those he is leading. Those who are lead by a good leader desire to please him.

watchmesucceed, “I guess what I’m pointing out to my sisters with such hatred towards black men is:…”

That right there let me know you weren’t ‘talking’ to me personally because I don’t have that issue toward black men. My FIRST role model was a damn good black man, and I’ve run across many in my life time, so I have no reason to be angry with them..

And yes, I most certainly did let you know what you get from marriage. See you’re thinking MATERIALISTICALLY, I’m thinking long term, supportive. You’re thinking of the divorce aspect, I’m not, your mind is NEGATIVE about it, mine isn’t.

And by the way..those 70% of women who bring about divorce cases….57% do so because of INFIDELITY on the man’s behalf..

Oh yes, if you want to bring on the statistics brother, we can do that. If you gone ‘run tel dat’…TELL IT ALL…

wathcmesucceed, “See, the REAL problem with my sisters is: yall keep confusing the REAL brothers with those lackluster niggas yall have grown comfortable dealing with! You can’t lump the majority of black men in with them busters! But many of you do it.”

See, the REAL problem with my brothers is: Y’ALL keep confusing the REAL black women with those fake, plastic filled, non sequitor, gold digging, airhead HOES y’all have grown comfortable dealing with! You can’t lump the majority of black women in with them tramps! But many of you do it….

Question: What kind of man usually gets the woman?
Answer: The man who showers her with compliments, the man who is persistent often in the midst of her rudeness, and the man who agrees with everything she says ;translation: the man who submits to her. This is a main plight in many black women’s quest for a soul mate. They long for the very thing that ultimately they resent or are not happy with. I liken it to a kiss ass on the job. They say and do every thing to appeal to the boss. They are granted more freedom and viewed in higher regards than a hard worker who doesn’t do all of that. But as you and I know most of these peoples productivity is low and the boss suffers in the end for having trusted this individual. But whose choice was it to give this person such a high level of respect?
I am leery about the literal use of the word “submission” when delaing with this topic. Women can easily attack the definition of the word rather then consider the theory of it and excuse themself from it alltogethor (a technacality if you will). But generally speaking, in present day times, I fell it means not trying to run things and not having to buck at your man. It means being pleasent and smiling. It means if you get approached by a respectful man, not acting as if you are so unintersted and mad. Submission could eally be reduced to the word “peaceful”. It amazes me how women submit to a boss and a pastor who you hardly know anything about but not to a worthy man. As I said in my previous post, I challenge you to name me one functioning institution with two equal heads. It can not and will not work.
I am a very reasonable man and I don’t expect for me to yell at a woman “where’s my food woman”, and her to sprint to fix it. That’s caveman mentaility. I also don’t expect that I have to be afraid to ask her to fix me a meal. If a man tries to be a man and take contol it’s “nobodys gonna run me”, but if he doesn’t stand up for himself hes “weak”. Which one do you want?! In response to this “weak” man, the response then is; if I meet a man that is “worthy” of such treatment, I will give it to him. However, look at all the well versed, brothers who are not “weak” who have expressed their willingness to be a man and have posted their comments in a respectful manner regarding their roles as males. How many women have been impressed and intrigued by them? Rather, their comments have been meet with cynical, stubborn ideals that are a fundemental difference in our reasoning. So who will ultimately be the recepients of their attention? Refer back to first paragraph!
Life is about fine lines. You can joke for hours and it’s funny and you can tell one more joke and the night is offensive. You can pop up at somebodies house once and its a pleasent suprise and twice it’s annoying. Women there is a fine line between being independet and demanding respect to being uncoperative, bitter and direspectful. Which side are you on?

@watchmesuceed, it seems as if WE are saying the same exact thing to one another about the opposite gender…

We both know that BOTH men and women need to step up their game…The only difference between you and I is this: I will give credit to those brothers that do what they are supposed to do as black men…You on the other hand act as if there are NO decent black women walking the earth…Not fair, you’re DEAD WRONG, so that in turn makes you no better than those angry bitter black women you love to speak of…

That MIRROR is always a BlTCH isn’t it, because YOU my exceptional black man, sound BITTER…I have yet to come across any post from you on these subjects where you give your intelligent, mindful, respectable black women any credit or acknowledgement…You head straight for the jugular and you don’t give up until you’ve bled the black woman dry!

Don’t tell me, you only feel better as a black man when you put US, (BW), down??? Hmmmmmm

WatchMeSucceed…i guess u really believe all of the bull you’re typing as well huh? how do we go from talking about a woman submitting to her husband…to u basically saying U DONT NEED A WOMAN OR MARRIAGE? I MEAN, if u dont need it/or have anything to do with it…why address it??? please believe men have just as much baggage as many women…THAT ISH* is written all over some of you mens’ faces! SO WITH THE “WE THIS AND WE THAT” (Speaking of black men) all that u just directed towards black women, can be reflected right back at ya bruh….u speak of baby mommas, A MOMMA CAN’T BECOME A MOM BY HER DAMN SELF….So preach to your fellow brothers as well….about bouncing after they make a child..just creating BASTARDS AS THEY ARE….SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE SENSE ENOUGH TO BREAK THE DAMN BS CYCLE….the “CRAP” MEN CRY ABOUT IS RIDICULOUS….A WOMAN AFTER UR MONEY..I MEAN DAMN, GET REAL…SOME females will go that route…but uhh any real woman knows its better to get/do for herself…so SHE WONT HAVE2 HEAR THAT…A WOMAN GAINING WEIGHT…WELL OF COURSE MANY MEN THINK A WOMAN SHOULD MAINTAIN HERSELF…THEN SHE LOOKS UP AND YOUR TITTS ARE BIGGER THAN HERS…BUT THATS FINE IN THE “ME-MAN,U-WOMAN BOOK” SOME MEN TALK ABOUT WOMEN BEING HO-ISH..BUT WILL BE THE SAME ONE ON ANOTHER POST SAYING “IF SHE AINT GIVING ME ANY, I AINT DEALING WITH HER”…SO 4 EVERY WOMAN THAT LOVES A SCRUB, THERES A MAN THAT LOVES A PIGEON…..WHICH ALWAYS BRINGS ME BACK 2 MY SAYING…If your real about what u both want upfront….it’ll save everyone some time/effort/bitterness…real talk…now im one black woman..THAT WILL LOVE THE HELL OUT OF A BLACK MAN…..but every now and then a SISTAH GOTTA STOP YA DEAD IN YOUR TRACKS…BECAUSE UR ABOUT 2 GO THE WRONG WAY ;)

Wait….How in hell did I allow you bitter, estranged, angry, hateful, disrespectful black guys pull me into this one? (Mind you, if you don’t fall into that description, don’t send me a private note whinin ‘n’ shyt later on…).

You guys like arguing about NOTHING because it gives you purpose in life to dog out black women because you know damn well you’re too afraid to do it to anyone else…

I’m out this one…The bitterness from you MALES is fckin with my inner ‘chi’….

neva1betta, thank you as well! If you dont NEED those types of women…then why in hell are even commenting on them??

BITTER MUCH!!!!! lol

some brothas are A-OKAY WITH ME..UNTIL THEY START SPEAKING/EXPRESSING THEMSELVES….URE RIGHT CALI’ IT JUST KINDA MAKES U UN-EZ..ure like OMG, W T F ARE WE LIKE TOTALLY ROLE REVERSED RIGHT NOW r something?? because LIKE some men are LIKE so full of estrogen…

@watchmesucceed. who said….

@Why should I ‘buy’ you (marry you), and take on all your baggage, when I can get my fleshly needs met by you, keep my money, keep it moving, and when I’m good and ready to settle down, find someone to settle down with who doesn’t have the anger issues of today’s American sister?

Yeah,thats a great attitude to have .SO its ok to use women then?and dont say well women use men.THAT DOESNT MEAN YOU HAVE TO..
To me this statement sounds like usury.Because if anyone really believed that,you would NEVER USE THE WOMAN JUST FOR YOUR OWN SATISFACTION AND TOSS HER ASIDE.

YOU SEE ,you would never ASSOCIATE YOURSELF with that type of woman ,if that woman doesnt meet your standards..So that is a concern to me if a man would say that about using women for that.why not just leave them alone to begin with..?

ALSO SAID….
I guess what I’m pointing out to my sisters with such hatred towards black men is: WE DON’T NEED YOU like you think we do! Keep your crappy attitudes…keep your baby daddy drama…keep your unrealistic expectations. Those of us who have ourselves together and know our worth as black men will NEVER settle for a drama queen, just because you happen to be black. We can get with a Caribbean sister, one from the Mother Land, or one from mixed race background.

what makes some men think that women who have it together dont feel the same why about some men always complaining and generalizing black women? You see,just as some cant recognize a REAL WOMAN ,other MEN DO.and im not saying all black men.but why to many times ive seen some black men ASSUME things about BLACK WOMEN. then when you find out that its too late,someone other worthy man scooped us up,YOUR UPSET ABOUT IT.when all you had to do in the first place was not listen to your dumb boys and think for yourself to get to know whatever woman you wanted to pursue for yourself.

what some men dont understand is,YOU put all of these demands on women,no being this way,being in shape,wanting them to be ladies and rarely do I see SOME OF YOU ACT LIKE REAL MEN ,KNIGHT AND SHINING ARMORS.

THAT FAIRLY TALE THAT YOU SAY IS NOT REAL,is the very reason why you complain about not HAVING THE WOMAN THAT YOU TRULY DESERVE.

SOME MEN KNOW THAT FAIRY TALE IS REAL…it was for my parents .it is for me…but because so many dont think its real,WHY SHOULD I PASS UP A MAN WHO DOES KNOW ITS REAL? REGARDLESS OF COLOR.

You see,any man that complains about using a WOMAN using men and turn around and does the same thing towards a woman,IS NO BETTER THAN THAT WOMAN HE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT .AND THATS THE TRUTH.

AND STILL NOT ONE MAN ON HERE HAS LISTED TO THE LADIES HOW A MAN SHOULD TREAT A WOMAN according to her submitting to you.

MOST DONT KNOW ,THATS WHY.dont get upset at the BROTHER,or any other race of MEN who WERE TAUGHT RIGHT AND DO KNOW HOW TO TRULY TREAT AND RESPECT US.THATS ALL SOME OF US REALLY WANT.

you know COURTNEY U SPEAK TRUTH…because it just DAWNED ON ME LOL..that many men think that way..its okay to use a woman and toss her aside…but its also okay to talk about bitter women, and used up women….not knowing the whole time they have a hand in *creating* these types of BITTER/HOISH women….hmmmmmmmmmmm SO WHY HATE, WHAT YOU HELP CREATE????? HMMMMMMMMMM

CourtneyR, “AND STILL NOT ONE MAN ON HERE HAS LISTED TO THE LADIES HOW A MAN SHOULD TREAT A WOMAN according to her submitting to you.”

HELLO! You knockin em over the head with that one sister! Keep it comin’, and I would BET, not ONE of them has an answer. They are too busy HIDING behind the finger pointing. It’s much easier to point the finger than it is to take personal responsibility and focus on the right kind of person…

Once again I say…BITTER!

To: Califemme 23: Whew! That post you laid down to Watch Me Succeed (8:46pm, 8:49pm) was dead on the Head! For a so called Alpha Male, he seems to spend an inordinate amount of time lumping all Black Women into One Bad Category…So What does that tell You about how HE Grew Up?

Hey…Watch Me Succeed…Does that category you keep trying to box us All in include Your Mother, Too? Watch Yourself! You about to fall full In…Wow!

Hmmm…One good thing came out of that rant Watch Me Succeed went on at 8:31pm…He admitted that, like Many Men of Color, he is perfectly comnfortable with using a woman for sexual satisfaction, and then moving on to the next One…and the next One…and the Next One…running through them like tissue paper, until he is good and ready to step Off! Wonder if he told those women Up Front that was his GamePlan? Oh, of course Not! He’s an Alpha Male, he would never Do that! (LOL) Tootoo damn Sad! TAKE NOTE, AND MAKE SURE YOUR DAUGHTERS DO TOO…CAUSE THIS IS THE PHILOSOPHY OF TODAY’S MEN! F**K EM AND DUMP EM…ITS THE NEW STYLE OF RELATIONSHIPS…YUCK!!!

@neva1betta
If a man wants to have sex with a woman and she agrees it is not his resposiility to stop her. It was her choice not to contain herself. If I court a woman and I find out about her sexual ethics( because she most likely will not be telling me) and I do not agree with them then not only have has she lied to me she is not my type of woman. If I find out who she is I’m not gonna go around pointing at 50 men. I’m not dealing with them I’m dealing with her. It was her choice, Just as if I jumped in a lions den I will not blame the lions for the result.

To Zeru25…Keep on posting, brother…That post you laid down at 8:37pm, July 16th…Tootoo true, and tootoo Sad…But not unstoppable or irreversible…Maybe one family at a time, maybe one child at a time…But Giving Up is Not An Option, period. Blessings To You & Your Family…Keep telling that Truth.

BTW: Watch Me Succeed…Would you want your daughter to ever be with One of those Men like You…Or end up being one of the women you described that should be perfectly willing to Get Used by Men like You for sexual satisfaction and then dumped? Since that is Your personal dating philosophy…Is that fine for your own daughter to be treated that Way by a guy? Do Tell, brother…You dont mind if a guy does that to your own daughter?

@Califemme
I agree with what the statistic on infidelity you brought to us states about marriage. These women had a right to divorce these men if they weren’t faithful. but this just reiforces Watchmesucceeds and my argument, and the argument against men marrying especially when it comes to most american women. These women Divorced these cheating SOBs good for them, but how did they not know through the whole dating and relationship period who they were dealing with. I used to wonder when I was younger why I would see women stay with some of the most abusive men. I really don’t anymore. you see throughout the 2 years and in some cases up to 10 years+ in a relationship these women stayed with these men, then as soon as they get the rights to that mans resources all of a sudden there fed up. They want to divorce and separate from that man now when they can take his lively. Women can say it’s not premeditated but to men it’s to obvious. If a woman can marry a man to get what she can from him which is where the evidence leans then what how do you think men should feel about marriage and most of todays American women.

@courtneyR I didn’t put up scriptures about the husband because the article was about women submitting to their husband, but since you asked here it goes… at least you want to know some truth

1Co 7:3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
Benevolence- kindness; euphemistically conjugal duty: – benevolence, good will.

1Pe 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered. {the knowledge spoken of here is the knowledge of the word not the world, and her being the weaker vessel is speaking of her emotional set back, that’s one of the curses from the garden}

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:{NO man would hurt himself so he shouldn’t physically hurt his wife, he would not curse himself out nor verbally abuse himself or treat himself like the dirt… the same should apply to how he treat his wife}

Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Now the next thing someone may ask what is marriage according to the bible… it’s def not what you see in the churches today, and the vows the preacher read cannot be found in the bible, what you see in the scriptures is what it is… marriage in the Most Highs eyes is very different from what we have been taught by mainstream media… especially as to how a man takes a wife… it’s deep and shocking but very important to know.

WISE PPL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY..OTHER PPL JUST SAY SOMETHING…

Hello everyone, first off if a woman is looking to submit to a man she has to know the signs of a good man. Knowing what to look for is key when starting a Relationship. A man himself has to know how to be a man and know how to treat a woman as well. With that being said, there is a really good book that just came out called “RELATIONSHIPS” The Complete Black Men’s Guide to Developing Healthy Relationships. The website is: http://www.Relationshipsbyroberttaylor.com. This book will help the men approach relationships correctly from the first glance to marriage. The book will also help the ladies as well. I know this book will aide in the relationship department. It will also help women to submit to the right man.

OKAY PANEIRO…ok I can dig that a lil’ “Just as if I jumped in a lions den I will not blame the lions for the result”..thing is if u jump in a lions den…of course u cant blame them because you should know there gonna rip your ass up….so theres a big difference in that and a man saying…he can use a no good woman for his *fleshly needs* or whatever…then throw her aside, then later says he hate hoes, when he is apart of the HO-ING….can that not be understood????

@kevanj,,, THANK YOU ,,THANK YOU ,,THANK YOU.!!! :) This is what im talking about and this man named KEVANJ is a true leader..Im happy you did that because what so many men dont understand is that,when you have MEN TALKING TO OTHER MEN ABOUT HOW TO TREAT WOMEN,YOU HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE WHEN A MAN SAYS ANYTHING DEROGATORY AGAINST US.. :)

YOU SEE LADIES,,,out of all of these men on here,ONE SIMPLE QUESTION,AND ONLY one KEVANJ ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION..

WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR MANY MEN TO TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY AND SPEAK THE TRUTH IN ITS ENTIRETY WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR BEHAVIOR TOWARDS WOMEN?

IS IT BECAUSE SO MANY OF YOU ARE GUILTY OF MISTREATING WOMEN AND TRYING TO CONTROL WOMEN mentally and physically so you can continue to run your selfish ways towards us? WE ARE NOT DOLLS AWAITING YOU DISPOSAL WHEN YOU TIRE OF US…

AND YOU KNOW THIS,so you refuse to state SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS HOW TO TREAT A WOMAN.Your demented behavior towards WOMEN started when you first learned about sex…THIS IS HOW SO MANY OF YOU SEE US.AZZ AND TITS AND NEVER SEEING THE COMPLETE WOMAN..thats a shame..WE WERE NOT PUT HERE FOR JUST YOUR PLEASURE.

KEVANJ and MEN like him are leaders in my eyes because he recognizes the fact that all though HE IS MAN,he understands that he is HELD TO CERTAIN STANDARDS AS A MAN AND ISNT AFRAID TO SPEAK ON IT.

WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF YOU? IT STARTS RIGHT THEIR MEN,YOUR BEHAVIOR SINCE MANY OF YOU SAY THAT ITS GOD FIRST,MAN SECOND THEN WOMAN…so if we go back wards,in order for a woman to listen to a man,then you must listen to GOD about not only your behavior and conduct towards US AS WOMEN ,BUT YOUR BEHAVIOR AND CONDUCT TOWARDS YOURSELVES..

@ CALI,NEVA1,CRYSTAL,You are speaking the truth as well.and they know it..

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Damn it’s late and i’m tire..but pardon the typos in my previous message. going to be (meant to say BED) and Hilary was NOT satifying Bill Clinton on a regular basis.

The Key to a Better WORLD does not exist without mothers of the first rank.

For each seed invested in her womb is GUARDED by her spirit and GUIDED by her hand.

A million man march is nothing to a 1 woman raid. For 1 MILLION WOMEN, UNDER 1 BANNER, BECOMES 1 FIST.

Show me ON EARTH, WHAT HAS BEEN CREATED, that can resist.

PUT IT AWAY

Now Brothers and sisters in
This WAR between us

It started long ago
When we were shackled in dust

On an OLD COUNTRY road
Chained to the rust

When Uncle Sam came through
And placed us in cuffs

When the Queen was RAPED
The soldier paused

Mother Nature cried out
But we were BOUND by her Laws

Preservation of self
SURVIVAL OF THE FITEST

That’s when the war of the ROSES
In the heart did hit us

She didn’t understand
And I couldn’t communicate

You need to study that MARK
While you study the fate

The ENEMY OF THE STATE
And what ENGENDERED the HATE

But take a look at the RAKE
Before the day gets late

Cause in our heart grew the SEEDS of SHAME and DISGRACE
And all those tears in her EYES I couldn’t look in her face

SHE wasn’t MADE to UNDERSTAND
But in her heart SHE FELT

NEXT time you raise you hand
Look at the CARD she was DELT

…PUT IT AWAY

What Now

1 return to GOD

2 teach our men to be FREE

3 Allow OUR SISTAHS to be Female: The BLACK WOMAN does not need to evolve. All she need do is submit to her original purpose:

MOTHER OF CIVILIZATION, QUEEN OF THE UNIVERSE

4 Discipline our children and introduce them to the GOD we SERVE

Say to them and to ourselves: Who has changed the TRUTH of GOD into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the CREATOR.

Who is blessed FOREVER?

AMEN

FOREVER THY GUIDE, DEIFIC MIRROR
KEEPER OF THE FLAME and ETERNAL BONDSMAN

PRINCE NOVA

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Thank you OriginalDonDaDa and Crystal Clear. We are all hurtin in one way or another. But we are so concerned with protecting a percieved strength and everybody is still bleeding like…

Yall dont think this is Satan’s plan to put God’s people at each other’s neck.

Even our own is part of the conspiracy and that is one of the worst problems we have in correcting this craziness man…

Jay-Z said I GAVE yall prophecy in my first joint and yall all lamed out..

The Devil and his sorcerers are bold and will tell you up front what their purpose is and we as dummies just block out the words and follow.

Excerpt from D’Evils (REASONABLE DOUBT) Lol@The Title… of the album and the song.. smh

A song from “Jay-Z” who calls himself Jay Hova…

In this song.. Letsss PRETEND the “Devil” is trying to tell you something..

Letssss PRETEND when you hear the word “He” Satan is talking about Adam aka The Tribe of Judah’s Kings in America..

Also Letssssss PRETEND when you hear the word “She” Satan is refering to Eve aka The Tribe of Judah’s Queens in America..

Lets let Satan’s flunky boy tell us a story..

Excerpt from D’evils (Reasonable Doubt) <–Titled Because he knew you wouldnt believe or understand that this is a spell..

“He” (ADAM) never learned so in turn “I’M KIDNAPPIN HIS BABY’S MOTHER”
My hand around her collar, “FEEDING HER CHEESE”
She said “THE TASTE OF DOLLARS WAS S**TTY SO I FED HER FIFTIES”
“ABOUT “HIS” WHEREABOUTS I WASNT CONVINCED” (Garden of Eden.. Even today in America)
“SO I KEPT FEEDIN HER MONEY TIL HER S**T STARTED TO MAKE SENSE”
Who could ever forsee, we used to stay up all night at slumber parties
“NOW I’M TRYIN TO ROCK THIS B***H TO SLEEP”
“All the years we were real close”
“NOW I SEE HIS FEARS THROUGH HER TEARS, KNOW SHE’S WISHIN’ WE WERE STILL CLOSE”
Don’t cry, it is to be
“IN TIME, I’LL TAKE AWAY YOUR MISERIES AND MAKE’EM MINE”.. D’Evils…(DEVILS)

I’ma break down each line that I highlighted..

When I speak about Adam.. Think of hmmm Black man in America

When I mention Eve.. Think offffffffff our Black woman in America

Very important you do that so you can follow this stuff…

Alot of double meanings in this so you are going to have to open yourself up to the parallels.

I’M KIDNAPPIN HIS BABY’S MOTHER…

In other words.. Satan dont even recognize the Judah Woman and the Judah Man as husband and wife. The difference between a wife and a baby’s mother is what? They are not together… And this is Satan’s doing.. By design..

My hand around her collar “FEEDING HER CHEESE”

When someone puts their hand around your collar it is by force.. To make you focus on what is being presented… And obviously in this part of the spell.. Eve is being fed money or something of value to her. Satan first presented Immortality to Eve in the garden. Once she accepted and found that was a lie Satan is coming with a new counterfeit plan. He now is presenting Power to her threw Money. But soon the power of money will be a lie as well…

SHE SAID THE TASTE OF DOLLARS WAS S**TTY SO I FED HER FIFTIES..

Desires and not being satified can cause us to seriously hurt ourselves sometimes. And Satan knows how to talk to us. Alot of people will do ANYTHING to feed their desires. And Satan knows what’s in you. Our fundamental natures and thats how the angel gets us everytime.. Threw Greed, Selfishness, and Ego… Only being possessed by these principalities will give you the DRIVE to leave yourself in order to forget who you actually are..

ABOUT HIS WHEREABOUTS I WASNT CONVINCED

Satan had to make sure Adam was no where to be found in order for Eve to take that fall. Adam was naming the animals and Satan made the move. Divide and conquer. Satan cant deal with both The King and Queen at the same time on one accord. Thats too much God. Thats why we must stay baby mothers and baby daddys in order for the angel to make its move.. God really does have a reason for why he puts laws into effect for his people. Regardless if we understand them or not. Its called faith and obedience.

SO I KEPT FEEDING HER MONEY TILL HER S**T STARTED TO MAKE SENSE

When you give someone with a high level desire something of worth they open themselves to “Possession”. And when you have a certain level of Desire to Possess something. That thing can and will possess you. Its called a Demon. And Eve started reasoning with HERSELF. She said to herself hmmm. If i eat this fruit I will be as God having knowledge of good and evil. And thats how Satan got Eve in the garden. But God said dont eat from that tree. Satan Offered to give her something he didnt have to give. Immortality. Today its Power threw money. And he really doesnt even have that to give. Its a facade that is about to be blown away. Alot of these posts reflect the same attitude in the garden.

NOW I’M TRYING TO ROCK THIS B***H TO SLEEP

When you are possessed by a spell you are in essence sleep. Because you dont even know you were hit until you come out of it. Or someone else can speak a word into you that will send the Devil out of your being. Just like the matrix in concept. Most of the people didnt even know they were living someone else’s program. Everybody has seen a crackhead or a Zombie on the streets. And all they know is crack. If you aint talkin about crack. They not trying to hear it. If you cant generate something of worth that will turn into crack. You minds well kiss the baby.. Cause they cant hear nothing. So they are took. And thats the same spell alot of our men and women are under now. Crack I mean Money by any means nessasary. And alot of them dont want to be bothered with you if you not a crackhead too. What can a crackhead do with a person that is not on crack? Gotta have that love. If you dont love it. You are useless. And we have been fed on hell of a powerful spell people

NOW I SEE HIS FEARS THREW HER TEARS, KNOW SHE’S WISHING THAT WE WERE STILL CLOSE..

This verse says alot.. Satan sees His fears threw Her tears… Meaning Satan is watching Adam aka the Judah man threw the emotional condition of his woman. And when a woman see’s that her man is broken. Alot of times she will start to wonder what else is out there and what are her other options. Women love security and when Satan undermines the Man of Judah’s ability to be a secure influence in society Satan knows its only a matter of time. Sick how the game is played aint it? So when Satan breaks our men in this society it knows actually where Eve is headed and or what she is probably thinking about…

IN TIME I’LL TAKE AWAY YOUR MISERIES AND MAKEM MINE…

D’Evils…

In time Satan will take away your miseries and makem Satan’s.. So after the last line here comes the promise of security..Satan and his demons are real deep into that double meaning word game.. Mix a lie with a truth or tell a lie that sounds true. In the stanza the misery Eve suffers is Adam’s suffering. Satan is telling Eve it will take away her miseries (Adam) while Eve is more concerned with her present right now emotions. Not knowing that Satan isnt going to fix the problem. But expand on it by trying to get rid of the Judah male all together. The makem’ mine part is the Judah male will either be his by following his rule or being his by death. example( Your ash is mine) This joint was put together so smooth Satan even signed it. D’EVILS DEVILS

Alot of people think everything is black and white but this is a SPIRITUAL WAR. And if you cant see spiritual things you are going to be blind as hell. You cant assume you know what someone is talking about all the time because you dont even know who you are talking to.

They’ve cast so many spells on us threw music and tv and media in general we dont know if we are coming or going. Half of us are in love with songs that we dont even know the lyrics to. Isnt that crazy?

You are getting hit with all kinds of stuff just going straight to your soul and subconscious. If you think i’m being a little harsh or maybe even loco. Jay-Z himself will tell you what the deal is in the same exact song.

More Excerpt from D’evils (REasonable Doubt)

My soul is possessed by D’Evils in the form of diamonds and lexuses
The exorcist, got me doin’ skits like Homie
You don’t know me, but the whole world owe me
Strip!

Here’s another one

I can’t be held accountable, D’Evils beating me down, boo
Got me runnin’ with guys, makin’ G’s, tellin’ lies that sound true

And another one…

But now this “higher learnin”‘ got the “Remy” in me

Alot of people aint catch on to what he was saying here. “Higher Learning” was a movie in the 90′s where a black kid (Omar Epps) was trying to make it in college. He met a beautiful black woman Tyra Banks and he was struggling trying to figure out how to make it in the white man’s world mentally, socially and otherwise.

“Remy” was some lost kid who didnt know where he belonged who decided to join an white racist group focused on preparing themselves to destroy the black man. REMY IS ALSO THE GUY WHO KILLED TYRA BANKS AKA THE BLACK WOMAN.

And because of the spell Satan has cast on most of you.. You cant tell a black woman anything bad about Jay-Z. They love him because they done got knocked over the head with witchcraft.

And Jay-Z isnt the only one. Its the whole system.

All of these witches and warlocks are casting spells on our people threw music.. Changing our way of thinking and getting rid of God’s precepts.. This is what these devils do.. Masons aka sorcerers.. They wait for you to get in trouble or some tragedy to happen in your life..Or if you are just greedy enough and have the natural attraction powers from your talent. They will just get you with money. Get you when your spirit is at a low point and they do these transformation spells and if you want to get out of your situation you will accept the Devil as your lord and savior.

Check out T.I.

Dead and Gone lyrics ( Double meaning? My soul is gone)

I turn my head to the east
I dont see nobody by my side
I turn my head to the west
still nobody in sight
So I turn my head to the north,
swallow that pill
that they call pride
The old me is dead and gone,
the new me will be alright
I turn my head to the east
I dont see nobody by my side
I turn my head to the west
still nobody in sight
So I turn my head to the north,
swallow that pill
that they call pride
The old me is dead and gone,
the new me will be alright

When I first heard this song I thought I was listening to The Craft.

East, West, and North creates a Triangle. The eye of horus or Satan. Its crazy man..

Now remember T.I had a weapons charge that should have gotten him in jail for probably like 25 years. But for some reason he only got a year.. Wow..

All these things we adhere to over God’s law… Rap music is God now..

Another joint where a MC has a spell transformation on Wax.

Snoop Dogg.. Murder was the case that they gave me..
Pumpin on my chest and I’m screamin
I stop breathin, damn I see deamons
Dear God, I wonder can ya save me
I can’t die Boo-Boo’s bout to have my baby
I think it’s too late for prayin, hold up
A voice spoke to me and it slowly started sayin
“Bring your lifestyle to me I’ll make it better”
How long will I live?
“Eternal life and forever”
And will I be, the G that I was?
“I’ll make your life better than you can imagine or even dreamed of
So relax your soul, let me take control
Close your eyes my son”
My eyes are closed

Snoop was accused of murder with his bodyguard around the time this song was released. He got off obviously. But peep the lyrics.

This comment is already too long but i’m just sayin yall..

WE ARE AT SPIRITUAL WAR. YOU CANT JUST LOOK AT THINGS AS CUT AND DRY THIS OR THAT. YOU REALLY HAVE TO PRAY FOR SOME UNDERSTANDING TO KNOW WHY ARE MEN AND OUR WOMEN ARE IN THE CONDITION THAT THEY ARE IN.

I LOVE YALL

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To; Jazzy Creations: I agree with You that some, maybe even most women, dont wish to acknowledge the role that they play in choosing a Man or a Mate to be with…But let’s rewind that tape a bit, and then play it out all the way to the end, since you brought it Up.

First off, young women were never meant to make decisions with regards to securing a mate…THAT USED TO BE THE PARENTS ROLE, AND THE MOTHER WAS USUALLY THE DISCIPLINARIAN AND HOMEMAKER, AND THE FATHER WAS THE PROVIDER AND PROTECTOR…AND BOTH PARENTS TOGETHER WATCHED OVER, GUIDED, PROTECTED, AND TRAINED THEIR CHILDREN, AS TO WHAT TYPE OF BEHAVIOR WAS ACCEPTABLE FOR A YOUNG WOMAN, AS WELL AS TRAINED THEIR YOUNG SONS BY WORD, DEED AND BY BEING THEIR CHILDRENS #1 ROLE MODELS, FIRST AND FOREMOST! As soon as this “make love, not war” philosophy hit the streets in the 70′s due to the Vietnam War, many young people began making decisions themselves without benefit of their parents input, and when drugs & sleazy sex came into play, fathers who abandoned their children were not in the home at all anymore to have any beneficial input into their childrens lives, while the mothers left behind had to do the providing, and CANNOT DO IT ALL! When you have to go to work to keep a roof over your head, and food on the table, how can you adequately supervise your children 24/7? Thats IMPOSSIBLE…AND CHIDLREN EVERYWHERE BEGAN MAKING DECISIONS RE: DATING/RELATIONSHIPS/& MARRIAGE ON THEIR OWN…WITH DISATROUS RESULTS! My daughters CANNOT DATE, PERIOD…UNTIL I SEE A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA, ALONG WITH AN ACCEPTANCE LETTER TO COLLEGE, OR A TRAINING SCHOOL FOR A SKILLED TRADE, OR AN INTERNSHIP…IN OTHER WORDS UNTIL SHE IS MOVING FORWARD IN A REASONABLE, GUIDED LIFE PLAN, GET IT? (and NO living on Campus, period! they live degenerate, sleazy lifestyles these days on college campuses all across this country)

Now lets move it forward a bit…You talked about how women “with forgetful minds” get a good man, and then do things that turn the man off, like gaining 50 lbs, or wearing unattractive underwear, etc. THIS CAN BE TRUE AT TIMES ALSO…BUT NOWHERE IN YOUR RANT DID YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY YOUNG MEN HAVE BEEN LEARNING TO NOT COMMUNICATE PROPERLY WITH THEIR WOMAN WHEN PROBLEMS ARISE (Could it be because they have NO MALE ROLE MODEL IN THEIR HOMES, SINCE DADDY PACKED UP AND LEFT LONG AGO, TO TELL THEM HOW THEY SHOULD BE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A WOMAN?) So, back to your point…They lay with a woman, empregnate her (usually without even the protection of marriage…which is to maintain a womans dignity and honor, and make provisions for the resulting children), create a household together…and then when problems arise, instead of sitting down with their Woman and communicating about the problems, and seeking reasonable solutions…Instead, Men get up and leave without trying to work out any differences AT ALL. How hard is it to buy your woman those sexy panties if you want her to wear them? And if you dont want your woman to gain weight…here’s a Newsflash…Dont Make Her Pregnant Right Away! Not all woman lose weight easily after giving birth…And if you want her to lose weight,take on some of the many responsibilities she is shouldering so she can have a bit more time to be able to work out! No man ever talks about THAT type of s**t…the role they play in refusing to communicate well with their woman, instead deciding to pick up, move on, complain about her behind her back, instead…and just find another one to act out the same s**tty behavior pattern On. Know what I mean?..Or are you going to pretend that s**t doesnt happen, either? NEXT TIME TELL THE WHOLE STORY…NOT JUST ONE PART!

I’m a doctor, rich but still single. It’s hard to get a girlfriend in my town, most of them like my money more than like me. I just want to find my true love.
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Paneiro1, LOL, you are hilarious…How did you manage to take a cheating husband and lay the blame on the wife for not knowing who she married???

You males are a trip…I have nothing to really say to your post because it was extremely disrespectful to those women who are cheated on which leads to divorce…

How about you ask WHY the man cheated anyway?? 9 times out of 10 it has NOTHING to do with the woman in his life. Instead of asking how come the woman didn’t know….gtfohwtbs…

paneiro1, Or better yet…How about this one…

PEOPLE CHEAT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO…
FREE WILL….

No matter how well you know a person, they still have the ability to do something out of the character that you know them to be..

Good grief man it’s not rocket brain science surgery! How dare you even put that non sequitor thought to print and post it!??

JazzyCreations, no matter what WE say, it falls on DEAF EARS; now if the ladies (outnumber us 10-1)has something to say, then it’s the TRUTH; let us respond or disagree and some of them are ready to defend/bash you….it’s just the way it is and unfortunately always will be…..

@califemme
You don’t understand I agree with you 100%. Those men are horrible men fro what they did. They shouldn’t do those things. I’m not turning anything around on anybody. This has always been my point. People cheat men and women. If you marry someone that cheats on you and your not an infant or mentally retarded, that means most likely you know who were deciding to spend the rest of your life with. How dare I point out the truth. People shouldn’t cheat on people thats the honest truth but your gonna come on here ans tell me these women are making a life long commitments without being educated on it. Please women need to cut the “poor little girl” act. You claim to be so intelligent yet afterwards you claim to be in the dark about the men you share you life with. That is of course until coincidentaly your binded to this man and can take legal action against him. I have a good amount of respect for your intellect, please don’t come on here and pretend to be naive just to prive an argument. Most of these men were cheating during the whole relationship period. As so many women say “a cheater will always be a cheater”. Your gonna tell me these men just got married and said to themselves “now would be a good time to cheat seeing as she now she can take all my money my house and the kids. I never thought of it before but marriage just brings out the cheater in me”. Please cheating is a part of these mens persona. They didn’t just go mentally insane all of a sudden. Women need to start claimimg some resposibility just like men do. Just like I don’t take any excuses from a man who cheats on a womanr vice versa. I won’t take any excuses from the woman who married him, nor will I take her complaints because in most states, shes an adult. I know a woman that married one of these men and even though shes my friend I don’t listen to her crap anymore she caught him countless times when they were dating and living together.

Paneiro1, ” If you marry someone that cheats on you and your not an infant or mentally retarded, that means most likely you know who were deciding to spend the rest of your life with..”

Are you serious brother? I guess I must be an infant or a freakin retard, because I had no clue I was being cheated on when it happened to me…Matter of fact I didn’t know I was with someone who would cheat on me. So you’re asking people to be psychic?

So you’re saying EVERY one who has ever been cheated on is retarded because they didn’t see it coming? Or didn’t know about it BEFORE it happened? You got your lines crossed…I was told by a man once that sometimes people don’t even set out to cheat…A cheater, at times, is only as faithful as his/her options…Would have never done it, had the ‘perfect’ opportunity not presented itself. Indeed you are blaming the ‘innocent’ party for not knowing what was in someone else’s brain…

WOW! No offense, but I see I gave you too much credit…You are now talking like you could possibly be one of those cheaters!

NevaBetta:

If women didn’t want or need a man’s money, so many wouldn’t seek alimony from him when the marriage ends. So that’s BS.

To Watch Me Succeed: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU: IF A MAN TREATED YOUR DAUGHTERS THE WAY THAT YOU DESCRIBED, USING HER FOR SEXUAL SATISFACTION & THEN DUMPING HER FOR THE NEXT ONE AND THE NEXT ONE AND THE NEXT…AS YOU SAID YOURSELF THAT YOU DO (July 17th, 8:31pm) WOULD YOU BE JUST FINE WITH THAT? WOULD YOU TELL HER THAT SHE DESERVED IT BECAUSE SHE WAS LOOKING WHERE THE SCRUBS CONGREGATE? (LOL) AND HERE IS ANOTHER ONE…

YOU SAID THAT MARRIAGE ONLY BENEFITS THE WOMAN, RIGHT? WHAT ABOUT THE BENEFITS IT PROVIDES TO THE CHILDREN YOU MAKE WITH THAT SUPPOSEDLY “SUBSTANDARD” WOMAN? Matter of fact, were YOUR parents ever married? Is your mother a gold digging ho, only looking for marriage for benefits? Which is basically how you are describing most women of color who wish to get married & settle down with dignity/loyalty/&respect, and set a good example for their children! You sound highly bitter, like that woman you were with dogged you out BAD and you cant stop spreading inflammable opinions as facts (until I called you out on it, of course), because you are against everything other than digging women’s backs out and passing on to the Next One…Is that the philosphy you raise your sons and daughters with? Damn!…So, do you tell your daughters that marriage isnt important too? Whew! Might as well put a “Use me and Dump Me” tattoo on their foreheads! Oh, I forgot…that is Your dating Philosophy, right? Dont try to backtrack and deny it…check your previous posting at 8:31pm on the 17th first, before you Do! Wow! Tootoo Sad!

Hmmm…Imagine the pain of all those women who “submitted” to Watch Me Succeed while he ran through em like tissue paper…I can see it Now…

“Now serving number 114, oh, no…I mean, 115…or am I on Number 117? Oh well…Next! Next in Line! Get out my way, b***h…I’m finished with You! Next! Next in Line…” YUCK!

CaliFemme:

I love you sister. But I refuse to let you off the hook because YOU claim I’m bitter. Why is it when a man attempts to have meaningful dialogue with a woman, you claim we’re bitter?! What’s up with that…? Co-sign on the ‘poor little girl act’

I did acknowledge those good sisters who get snatched off the market quickly. And I said I was being a little facetious. But most black women just don’t fall into that ‘GOOD’ sister category. If you did, YOU would get snatched up too! You sound alot like alcoholics who want to blame EVERYBODY ELSE for their drinking problem. My point is simple:

If you keep meeting no-good black men, YOU have poor taste in men! Make better choices; that’s all I’m saying. This ain’t a tit for tat thing. It’s the truth. In order for things to change, you have to first take ownership of your life. That’s means owning your bad attributes too. Only then can you change things for the better. And quit blaming everything negative on us brothers! We have our share of the blame; but not all of it.

And I don’t think Paneiro is asking you to be psychic: just more observant. And that goes for all of us.

To: JAZZY CREATIONS…HMMM…NO RESPONSE TO MY CALLING YOU OUT ON TELLING HALF THE STORY, TOO, HUH? ITS ANOTHER NEW AGE MALE PHENOMENON…CALLED “SELECTIVE MEMORY LOSS”…A convienient tool to use when talking straight S**t! Next! Next in Line, please…

Where do you get your ideas, Watch Me Succeed…You really dont know that Alimony is set to help maintain the Home you make when you lay down and play house with a Woman, then decide to get up and move on to the Next One…And child support is set to help take care of the chidlren you make when you lay down and bang that woman out that you Chose? Are your parents happily married? Or did they teach you that S**t? Do tell…

@ WatchmeSucceed… You done lost ya damn mind! Are you married?? Judging by the content of your argument – you are SINGLE…please correct me if I’m wrong…..

CrystalClearNY:

You attack my mother and my children. That’s pretty low of you don’t you think? And you seem to think that’s cool? Wow! *smh*

I will sidestep that display of ignorance for the moment. You gotta do better than that to get a rise out of me sweetheart. Go back and read my posting again. I ended it by saying I was being a bit facetious.

What I teach my son and daughters is simple: be the best YOU that you can be. Relationships are mirrors, in which you see in the way the other person treats you how you really believe about yourself. If you don’t like how the other person treats you, treat yourself better. Start by making better choices in mates. But most importantly: OWN YOUR LIFE. Don’t place the blame for YOUR shortcomings on the other person.

My daughters will be taught how to choose men by the example I set for them as a father. I don’t run through women. That’s ho-ish, and not my style. I value my d!ck, probably more than you value your ‘vajay-jay’, which is why I’m selective about who I sleep with.

I know you wanna hate me sister; because I dare to point out your shortcomings as an ‘infallible’ black woman. But I do so out of love; not bitterness and anger. I try to get you to THINK and to take ownership of ALL of your life.

And marriage to a lackluster man will not be all that beneficial to your children; which is why I’m pushing for you and other sisters like you to STEP YOUR GAME UP, and make better choices in black men! If you keep choosing substandard men, you’ll stay bitter and angry. You’ll keep this cycle of degeneracy going on in our community. Do your part to BREAK THE CYCLE!

I’m already doing MY part by raising MY babies… including one by a dude who wasn’t man enough to handle his responsibilities! I’m the exception to all those black dudes who contributed to breaking your heart. Stop making excuses, be responsible for the bad choices you make, and make better choices. That’s what makes for healthy relationships and lives.

This isn’t rocket science my dear…

@Yazzie:

When women start remembering their vows to ‘HONOR AND OBEY’, I’ll consider getting married again.

@califemme
I don’t know anything about you personally or your personal situations so I won’t comment on it. It’s the same advice that has been given generation after generation, before you marry someone make sure you know who that person is and what they are capable of. Don’t be blinded by the glimmer of marriage. You could never call me a cheater if I’m coming on here trying to tell women how to protect themselves from cheating men especially if I’m not profiting off it like Steve Harvey is. That would put a damper on my game. I may not be the nicest man around but I’m honest that’s why you gave me credit and that’s why you take it back, I always knew the sword was double edged, but my only motivation is the truth not credit. You could choose to believe me or not, but know that I’m not trying to win anything I’m not part of the “battle of the sexes”. I don’t support men who cheat but I will support their argument if it’s on point. I don’t befriend men who don’t take care of their children, but while these men who are being outcasted ridiculed, and punished by society, women are getting away with murder. We are at the point where Men needs a Mens Rights Movement, yet the abuse continues to completely unnoticed. The most men get in consolation is a finger wag and a firm ” be a man”. Men get all the negative steretypes and women get all the sympathy. Who scorns women for the dirt they do??? If a man is cheated on nobody cares, all you get are other men calling you a sucker for fallin for her sh&t. Women today cheat just as much as men, but most men drop these women like dead weight. I’ve heard women on this forum say something along the lines of “why when men cheat we give them another chance yet when women cheat men don’t forgive us”. I tell women all the time if your man cheats that’s it he forfeited his oppurtunity. If you take him back and he cheats again Don’t tell me nothing. I’m not saying everyone is naive for not knowing who they are marrying, and If the story you told me is exact and true and you had no fault in it. Then I’m truly sorry you had to go thru that. But most of these people know. Not many people can go years being intimate with a person without knowing or seeing signs of their dirt. Most of these men are not tactical with their cheating it’s not planned out for weeks. It’s usually just they saw what they wanted and they tried to get it. I taught and bred myself to place all accountability on myself. If I am cheated on or played in anyway it’s my fault for not knowing better. If my friends see me with a woman they know she’s been tested psychologically and she’s worthy. If a woman dates a man for 2 years and had no clue of him cheating and then less then 2 years into marriage she’s filing for divorce it looks really fishy. People don’t have to be psychic to know someone they’re in a relationship with well. Just like I expect someone to know whether their friends will stab them or not I expect people to be able to know their spuses capabilities. but of course that friend you trust can betray you out of the blue, that is the exception.

Alimony: pvssy tax

Child Support: sperm tax

Marriage in today’s climate to the TYPICAL sister: a colossal waste of time and money.

Prove me wrong.

CaliFemme: those stats came from this website: http://www.womensinfidelity.com/
And they were compiled by a woman…

No one can make a person cheat.That is a sad attempt by the cheater ,man or woman to justify and deflect their own CHOICE to cheat on the other person in the relationship…

whatever happened to communicating your feelings to your woman or man about how you may be feeling?

That movie with MORRIS CHESTNUT and TARAJI HENSON deals with exactly that.How a husband is feeling about his wife and his feelings towards her and how they GET THEMSELVES BACK ON TRACK..TOGETHER.

NO ONE CAN MAKE ANYONE CHEAT ON ANYONE. THAT IS YOUR CHOICE ALONE THAT YOU MADE BY JUSTIFYING IT TO YOURSELF INSTEAD OF TALKING TO YOUR SPOUSE ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED AND HOW TO GET BACK ON TRACK.

This is a horrible statment! Firt of all, you are stereotyping all black women! That is wrong and unjust! Apparently you fail to acknowledge that flaws befall all races and does not discriminate gender, age or social status.

For you to say that “they” (speaking of head strong black women) should die off!?! Do you kiss your mother or daughters (I doubt you have any) with that mouth?

You also fail to acknowledge that many men have bad traits (I’m pretty sure I need not to list them all here – we all know I’d run out of space j/k) that push women away. This is the true ‘reason’ you have yet to be choosen for marriage. Reading a few of your postings has showed me, that if you truly feel this way towards African American women, then apparently YOU have been choosing the WRONG type of women to date, or deep down inside you have a hatred toward yourself, or maybe a member of your family (mother, sister, possibly?).

As far as what benefits a man in marriage…wait…is this a serious question? This is definitily something a “player” would say…why? Cause he gets everything from women “outside” of marriage that he feels/believes he would get being “in” a marriage. “Why buy the cow, if you can get the milk for free?” – right?

“…lay aside all the other options in women I can excersize; to get with an unsubmissive, angry, black man (assuming you meant ‘woman’) hating, bitter, baggage-laden; bisexual experimenting, untrusting woman?!” – as far as being “unsubmissive” – I covered that in a previous post. “angry” – we’re ‘angry’, “hating”, “bitter”, “untrusting” woman…. apparently you are doing something to upset the woman in you life…and you should seriously learn this thing called “communication” so that you can ‘learn’ whats wrong and find away to mend things.

LOL – “bisexual experimenting”??? – maybe theres something you’re missing…. maybe no “fellatio”….maybe you aren’t being sensitive to her “needs”…. maybe you reach the end of the tracks befor she even gets on the train…

Then to touch on: “Let those among you who are unwilling to learn and change remain alone…” …aren’t you the one who’s not “married”??? – or “unwilling” to get married??

In closing, I seriously thing you should take a good long look in the mirror, one day – when the kids aren’t home – and seriously find out who YOU really “are”. Reading your comments, one can pick up that, although you’ve reach maturity physically, you are seriosly lacking in maturity psychologically….

I wish you, and everyone the best.

____________by wathchme succeed_______________
Somebody PLEASE tell me: in light of the conversations coming from the sisters on sites like this, when it comes to marriage: WHAT’S IN IT FOR THE MAN?!

I mean really: what do WE get out of marriage these days? In what way does it benefit the man?

Am I supposed to give up my freedom; be willing to part with my hard-earned money; lay aside all the other options in women I can excersize; to get with an unsubmissive, angry, black man hating, bitter, baggage-laden; bisexual experimenting, untrusting woman?! Are you friggin’ kidding me?!

No thanks, I’ll pass…

Until my sisters find their way back to reality, I see no reason for us to continue marrying you. Let those among you who are unwilling to learn and change remain alone; die off; and hopefully the next generation of black women coming up will be a better breed for my son when he’s grown. ‘Cause yall are a MESS!

LOL – “firt of all” lol …I meant “first of all…”

Typo :)

oh…and not “thing” (at the bottom of the page…) its “think”… another typo…my bad…

oh and its @ watchmesucceed

Feminism is an excellent example of how mass media uses it’s awesome power i.e. propaganda.) to control society.
In 40 short years, many women have lost touch with their natural loving instincts. Consequently, the family is in disarray, sexual depravity is rampant and birth rates have plummeted. we need to remember that for a woman, love is an instinctive act of self-sacrifice.

She gives herself to her husband and children and is fulfilled by seeing them thrive and receiving their love, respect and gratitude. A woman makes this supreme sacrifice to only one man who will cherish her and provide for his family. Men instinctively want to fulfill this responsibility. This is the essence of the heterosexual contract (i.e. marriage): female power in exchange for male power expressed as love. Sex is the symbol of this exclusive bond. Marriage and family may not be for everyone but it is the natural path for most. Feminism has trained women to reject this model as “an old fashioned, oppressive stereotype” even though it reflects their natural instincts.

On Thursday a British writer reported overhearing two young women:

“All men are useless these days,” one said. “Yeah,” said the other. “The trouble is that they haven’t risen to the challenge of feminism. They don’t understand that we need them to be more masculine, and instead they have just copped out.”

That’s their logic? If women are less feminine, men will be more masculine? Men aren’t designed to fight with women. They need to be affirmed by a woman’s acquiescence and faith. When women constantly challenge them, men will “cop out” of marriage and family.

Read the rest here: http://www.savethemales.ca/001904.html And tell me what you think after reading the article. e

Hmmm…You keep saying you were just being “facetious”. So exactly what part of that rant you went on was “facetious”? Do tell…Lets clarify your bulls**t a bit more clearly…And yes, you did say “Why should I buy you/marry you, and take on all your baggage when I can get my fleshly needs met by you and keep on moving…etc” THAT IS THE DEFINTIION OF “HO-ISH” BEHAVIOR, you dont know that? Or are you just playig Dumb? The same behavior pattern that you claim women of color display, you admitted to displaying Yourself…Read your post again, cause I did! So I’m asking you again…dont be scared to answer…WHO TAUGHT YOU THAT MARRIAGE IS NOT NECESSARY? YOUR MOTHER? YOUR FATHER? ARE THEY MARRIED…OR IS YOUR MOTHER JUST IN IT FOR THE BENEFITS, ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR RIDICULOUS POSITIONS! AND DO YOU TEACH THAT S**T TO YOUR CHILDREN? Dont try to hide behind self righteous indignation…I did not attack your children, I attacked your f**ked up philosophy, and asked if you teach that to them. Cause if you are teaching your kids that marriage is not in the best interests of a man who wants to be a father, then you are setting your sons up to be Users of Women for sexual pleasure, just LIKE YOU…and your daughters to be USED FOR SEX…JUST LIKE THE WOMEN YOU USED! TOO BAD THE TRUTH HURTS, BRO…STOP PUTTING DUMB S**T LIKE THAT OUT THERE, CAUSE SOME PEOPLE DO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION! BTW…Did you ever tell those women you were banging and dumping how you were going to USE THEM FOR SEX AND THEN DUMP THEM? Hell No! Cause not one would have given You any AT ALL! Please, save that FACE SAVING bulls**t…You admitted being a USER of WOMEN, and now are trying to backpedal and deny it…but your words speak for themselves! Want to edit it out,now? (lol) Tootoo shameful…

tO Mensa517…Hmmm…And what are Men doing to promote harmony and serenity in the family Unit? Have you noticed how many men dump good women for selfish, self-centered reasons, and move on to the Next…and the Next…and the Next…Just like Watch Me Succeed admitted to? Got any comments on that ugly phenomenon? While you are telling one side, tell both sides…Talk about that selfish, hurtful, family damaging s**t, too…Cause it is happening every day! Dont you know that?

P.S. Watch Me Succeed…Dont get it twisted…I dont have enough time in my busy day to waste Energy “hating You” as you put it…I just ask the hard questions that you like to skip, whine, shuffle, shuck and jive, and give “facetious” answers TO AVOID…Still didnt answer a single question, I see…Scared to face the questions Im asking…? (lol) I bet you are…some of that s**t you say is “scary stupid”! (lol)

if youre crazy enough to listen to her then what that makes you?

To: Watch Me Succeed: And what would give You the idea that I am, as you say, “probably not selective, or careful with my vajay-jay”? Wow! That shows that you dont read my postings as carefully as I read yours…I have said in numerous postings that I was with my husband for over twelve years, married for going on six of those years, and have 3 children with him. And I was very dedicated, loyal and devoted to my family Unit, and my husband…So where did You get that s**t from…Your barbershop friends, again? (LOL) I notice that everything you post is designed to put women of color down, whether you have a shred or Proof or NOT! Where did you get all these ideas about women of color from…YOUR OWN MOTHER & FATHER? OR YOUR OWN F**KED UP CHOICES IN WOMEN, as you ran through them like Kleenex? Do tell…Did your Mom & Dad teach you that marriage was a convenience designed to hurt your dad and benefit your mom? Please, do enlighten us, oh Intelligent One (LOL)…!

WatchMeSucceed
Jul. 18th, 2010
at 5:17 pm,
“When women start remembering their vows to ‘HONOR AND OBEY’, I’ll consider getting married again.”

UH OH! Now we got it! This brother has been married once, it probably went all to hell on him and now he is BITTER about it!

HE chose the wrong woman, so now he has this distaste in his mouth because of it…tsk tsk tsk, Now I must say to you…

What woman would want to marry YOU, who needs YOU with your bitter, angry, BAGGAGE you would bring to a relationship?? WE DON’T NEED YOUR KIND!

And there is no way that you call this exchange ‘meaningful dialogue’, when I happen to be the exact OPPOSITE type of woman you have been speaking of the entire time. How is that meaningful to me personally?

I could see if you were dropping POSITIVE words to reflect upon, some kind of solution to a problem, but you aren’t. You are dropping the leftover BS from YOUR past experiences, and thusly applying them to each and every woman as of now…tsk tsk tsk…
See, when I speak to my brothers about relationships, they ofcourse speak on their trials and tribulations, but they NEVER put their black women down as a WHOLE, like you and Paneiro1 have done this entire debate. They give me insight about men, advice, anything positive that I need to know…

What have YOU done to help your fellow sisters to get along better with the black man, besides throw insults and call it ‘meaningful’???

crystalclearNY, Yes sister, I to am waiting for the answers from the illustrious ‘Watchmesucceed’….
lol

well damn!!! -out-

WatchMeSucceed, And by the way, I never once claimed to have met ‘no good men’…
See thats your problem my sweet, you touchin’ on shyt that I haven’t even brought up. lol…

You truly are no better than those bitter, angry, waiting to exhale women you cant stand…But thats what happens when you DWELL on the negative as opposed to learning from it and moving on…You haven’t yet moved on from your bad experiences, therefore you have become what you despise the most….

MESSAGE!!!!

First I have to Watchmesucceed and Paniero1 you guys are on point with your comments. I commend you guys for speaking your minds and telling it like it is. Refusing to sugarcoat things for the sake of saving face. You guys clearly understand that the truth hurts and are willing to make that sacrifice. Women complain all day long about how we lie and dont communicate. But we all know when we speak the truth most women cant handle it. They confuse our honesty with being selfish, thoughtless, etc, etc. They somehow forget that the truth isnt always going to be what they want or expect to hear. So then they wonder why most men resort to lying in the first place. They just plain give up. Not me..and obviously not some of you guys. I’m a tell it like it is whether you like or not.
Crystalclear – your argument can be valid in some cases but your mentality is the reason why we have to let you women hear it raw and uncensored. You clearly enjoy this distorted system as long as it benefits you which it clearly does. You want to be respected? No problem. I respect you but you lets be honest here.
You clearly only want to hear part of the story so that’s why you only defend the parts that you feel offend you. You keep directing your energy towards what a man may do wrong in a relationship. Lets not forget about what the lady may do to bring this on. We’ve heard this here numerous times already but take responsibility for the type of men you choose. My point is forget about the bad choices. We already know what’s going to happen there. It’s the potential good choice that you really need to be concerned about. Thats where my issue with how you handle that comes about. Which is why you hear these knowledgeable men say Marriage is a waste of time. You can complain all you want but at the end of the day, you will gladly accept that alimony payment and move on with your life. So dont sit and act like a man can’t move on with his. Women hate being called prostitutes and hoes but they are willing participants in pimping the system to their benefit.

MANIPULATION,DISHONESTY CANNOT EXIST WHEN YOU DECIDE TO CO HABITAT WITH A WOMAN and or a MAN.Their are just way to many games and not enough STRONG men and women standing up.

Is it to much to ask from a man to respect us when we are showing respect,hold our hand when we are out in public? and going for walks for you to be proud of your woman that you choose instead of COMPARING her to every OTHER WOMAN?talk to US and not at us?,dont put us down when we are asking for your help and telling you that we need you?disrespect us in public or behind closed doors?,hold us when we truly need to be held or just to show us that you appreciate us and trult care?,forsake all others once you choosen the one you said to GOD that you will never leave her side by not making up dumb selfish excuses to be free once you started something with a woman?..pay attention to us and kiss us to help dry our tears when we feel hurt or pained?..stand by us and work to make us happy like many of us do you?.

what makes any of you think that every other woman in the world wants this from you a man and not a black woman?

WE ARE MUCH TO ALIEN LIKE I GUESS TO BE CONSIDERED WOMEN,LADIES,QUEENS.BUT IF YOU NOTICED OUT IN SOCIETY,WOMEN OF ALL COLORS CAN DWELL AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL AND BE UTTERLY SHAMEFUL TO WOMANHOOD.

and not all men but when will those men who are about being men check those who arent about being men when you see the blatant disrespect of women who dont fall into any of these categories many of you put us in.?

oh I forgot,its the same reason why I can ask a question about HOW A MAN IS SUPPOSE TO TREAT A WOMAN BY GODS STANDARDS WHEN CONCERNING ABOUT WOMEN SUBMITTING TO MEN.WHICH SO MANY OF YOU WANT BUT REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR VERY ROLE IS IN THAT.

courtneyR/crystalclearNY/neva1betta,

These kats just don’t get it, they probably never will..

ENTER: The quintessential white woman…

(yeah, I said it..)

@Califemme
What exactly are the kats supposed to get? The man may be wrong to Black women have any less love for men then any other women. but the man is still right. Most of these women in America are not worthy to marry, Either they have bad ethics, bad attitudes, or negative personalities combine that with a well supported notion that women really don’t have love for men and men have nothing to look forward to No reason to trust the lies coming out of these womens mouths. With abundance of women that don’t like or can’t trust and won’t hang out with these same women we’re talking about, I’m surprised to get so much opposition seeing that Alot of you share very similar feelings and positions with these American women.

Now if a black man thinks he should turn to an American white woman rather than an American black woman in order to find a woman that will love him for who is, he’s sadly mistaken. It’s almost like a socio-psychology that’s shared amongst the american society in general when you think about it.

P.S.Just to make it clear I’m not defending abusive men and their actions in anyway. but since I date women and not men I address my comments towards women.

I must agree with Paneiro1 and Watchmesucceed. I was born in the US however my parents were born in the Islands. I also visit there once in a while and i can tell you that there is a MAJOR difference in how women from the island treat their men. Maybe it’s because the men there are the sole providers but in essence, women from the islands know their place and are very submissive. Men are to take the lead and women just follow; no questions ask. A woman would be a fool to rebel. Woman came from man; thus First came Adam then from him came Eve. I see women today around me and the way they carry themselves; it’s very shameful but I guess its how Americans are. The sad part about it is that it’s more so African-American women. They walk and talk like the world owes them something. BUT who am I to judge?

Theres a really good book called “How To Love A Black Man” by
Dr. Ronn Elmore some of you women should read it. It’s really informative. I gave it to a friend of mine who had problems with her husband. Her husband told her that she didnt know her place and she was confused. I told her that he was right because of her attitude. But anyways she LOVES the book and now she has somewhat of a better understanding!

Yes I am a woman! Never married because marriage is serious business and people here (US) just get married for show. I will not get married just to say I have a temporary husband.

Peace and God Bless!

Hmmm…Paneiro1 has it Backwards…In truth, many of these Men in America are not worthy to marry, with bad ethics (“I’ll satisfy myself with her, and then move on”, as Watch Me Succeed said) bad attitudes or negative, woman hater personalities…Yet these same men see nothing wrong with sexing and possibly empregnating the women that they So Horribly Describe…Why is that okay, Paneiro? These ignorant young girls have no Fathers in the home to protect, defend and educate Them into being aware of Ho-ish male philosophy, and most Mothers left behind to take care of everything are Floundering while Desperately trying to Hold it All Together, ALONE…Dont you know that? That is where all of these dysfuntional, ignorant, oversexed, undereducated children are coming from! Too many fathers stopped doing their jobs as parents long ago, putting their own happiness in front of their responsibilites to their children. Fathers, Do your job and Back that Mother Up with the child You Created Together, no matter What…Or Beware The Chance of Raising Another “Ho” or “Dog” child with no values or direction or goals…Children need positive role Models, not disappearing Dads!

@courtneyr
I think many black men love black women. I swear alot of these abusive men you see nowadays were once boys, and they were nervous and shy and excited at the thought of having a girlfriend. Alot of these abusive people came to be from a result of broken hearts and abused trust. I can’t speak for all men but as a man I think some of these black men want to hold your hands and dry your tears etc. but our hearts have distanced from you through the bad attitudes we’ve had to deal with(not all black women), the promiscuity(not all black women), and the love they have of money(not all black women). We lose that image we had of women when we were growing up. The picture of the little boy handing the flower to the little girl is destroyed by the girls that tell you how much of a lady they are all while sleeping with the whole neighborhood.

To: Jazzy Creations…Let me set you straight about Me, brother, since you seem to be misinformed. I dont recieve alimony or even child support from my husband…I support our children ALONE, while he spends his money on himself, and himself alone! Second, I would never waste my energy trying to stop him from moving on with his Life…Why bother, if a Man doesnt want You, it is foolish to chase after Him, thats crazy talk! Hell, after my husband disappeared to smoke crack and chase loose women, I drew up the divorce papers myself, and still have them here in my house waiting for him to sign…This loser is too busy being a druggie playboy to even get that Done! I have no problem letting GO of his ass…I have a problem with my children suffering as a result of his foolishness and selfishness! So exactly what part of “this distorted system that you are talking about I am enjoying, and is benefiting me”? You sound crazy…I am not benefiting, my children are not benefiting, and in fact, their fathers disloyalty and disrespect to our family unit is Hurting everyone involved. Is that the benefit you were talking about? And before you go on a rant about How women need to pick better Partners, Know This…I was also raised in a single parent home, WITH NO FATHER, since my dad left my mom when I was 2! And my mom was raised in a single parent home WITH NO FATHER, since her dad had sex with my grandmother when she was a virgin, and was forced to marry her because she was 17 and he was much older…then ran away from his responsibilities after the wedding…IT’S INTERGENERATIONAL, this using and abusing and dumping and dismissing of Women…AND WONT STOP UNTIL PARENTS GET MORE SERIOUS ABOUT STAYING PUT AND RAISING THEIR KIDS AND TEACHING THEIR YOUNG SONS AND DAUGHTERS THE CORRECT MANNER OF INTERACTING WITH AND CHOOSING A MATE! CAUSE LETTING YOUNG CHILDREN GROW UP AND FIGURE IT OUT FOR THEMSELVES, WITHOUT A FATHER IN THE HOME TO TEACH AND PROTECT THEM, IS NOT WORKING? YOU STILL DONT GET THAT PART, HUH? You dont see that young women growing up without fathers dont get any real guidance on how to properly interact with and choose a Mate? You really dont see that s**t happening every day?

@crystalclear
No crystal your right alot of these men in america aren’t wothy to marry yet the women still marry them. I already covered that. But I don’t have it backwards American women are still unworthy one doesn’t cancel out the other. We can get into a discussion about the real reason men aren’t in the homes as often anymore another time. but aside from that I never quite understood where the father comes in when a woman is learning to make a man earn his way into your heart and body. Of course a father can teach you male philosophy but as far as you keeping your legs closed can;t you learn that through your mother or society. My mother never sat me down and warned me about negative or abusive women. Most mothers actually steer men in the wrong direction and leave them unprepared for these women yet we learn what to watch out for from older men, studying women, and experience. I’m not saying these men are justified in the abuses they commit but I don’t date men so I don’t address men. They know what their doing is wrong it’s addressed by society everyday, in sex in the city and talkshows and magazines like cosmo. It’s the women that don’t receive a finger wag. Except from men like me, and of course when men like me call women on it the wolves come out.

I am pleased to read this article. “submit to your man is a very weighty statement” I totally agree and do so. This is an old statement that is most well know from the bible. Yes, the bible believe it or not. We are coming on our 21st wedding anniversary. This is my first marriage and I’m 43. I am elated for the longevity at such a young age. People ask me how it happened. I told them that it is dedication and listening to my man, and remaining soft and feminine. I am very strong, having served in the us armed forces so don’t get me wrong, I can hang tough. However, when I get home, I am the soft woman I am supposed to be. I love to cook, I draw his bath water and spoil him royally and love doing so. When I need to and when I’m in the workforce, I am strong and assertive and a go getter, but at home, I am soft as a rose pedal. It is a balance. It’s all about wisdom, know when to be strong and know when to submit and be that rose pedal. I hear the comments that black men are weak, no they are just tired of arguing, with a overbearing sistah. So they just become recluse to keep peace and let “miss thang run it”. I am glad to have a lion of a man that can roar and protect me. I would have stayed single if I wanted to always have my own back. OK? I believe in letting a man do his job. Let the man be a man.

To: Paneiro1…You said that you “learned what to watch out for from experience…”, right? Guess what? That really is not good enough for our Children to have to learn anything about sex or relationships, from Hard Experience…That kind of “experience” leads to STD’s, HIV, unplanned pregnancies, sexual abuse, violence aaginst women, abandonment issues…Dont you know that? Of course, some mothers dont teach young women well…but please dont try to lump me into any one of your categories describing Women you know…Cause I was an excellent student in high school, graduated on time, was gainfully emplyed, and didnt have my first child until I was 27. Though her father and I did not stay together, I remained hopeful for a family unit, and married, and had 3 kids with my husband over the course of 12 years! So not every black woman fits into these “dumb/ignorant/unattractive/oversexed” categories…and for you to say that you “dont understand where the father comes in when a woman is learning to make a man earn his way into her body and heart”…You cannot be serious. Dont you know that all important Life Lessons are to be taught in the Home, First? By word/deed/&example…You really dont get that a father needs to be there to help train and protect and educate his daughter? You cant be serious…

I will say that the American African American Woman I believe is the most misunderstood of them all..But some how,we are still standing…Most will never understand this woman for all that she had to endure and still does.Im in no means saying that our struggle as women were so much harder than others ,but I will have to say that its a struggle VASTLY different from others.She is strong because she had to be.Im proud to know that I come from a strong African American woman and please understand my statement when I mean strong.And of course accomplishing and doing wonders all without a CULTURE AND HOME TO CALL HER OWN.

I had this talk plenty of times with friends of mine who are from the islands,from haiti,of spanish decent,jamacian desent and the thing that I always tell them being african american when we do dialogue is that,

Even though we all went through this historical struggle,the one thing that they truly have is a CULTURE AND A COUNTRY that AFRICAN AMERICANS NEVER HAD BEING BROUGHT OVER TO AMERICA.WE LANDED HERE AND WE HAD TO DEAL WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS THROWN AT US AND still we DONT GET THE RESPECT WE DESERVE.

OUR OWN FIRST LADY,MICHELLE OBAMA COMES FROM SLAVE ROOTS.THE EPITOME OF BEAUTY,CLASS,INTELLIGENCE,RESOLVE,STRENGTH ,LOVE ,DECENCY ,GUIDANCE,TEACHER TO HER OWN 2 DAUGHTERS.THIS IS THE TRUE AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN..THE ONES WHO CAME FROM NOTHING BUT STRONG FAMILIES,FATHERS WHO WORKED HARD AND LOVED THEIR FAMILIES ,MOTHERS WHO SHOWED US THIS SAME KIND OF STRENGTH AND BEAUTY only to be torn down by so many men who BELIEVE we are NOTHING,NOT WORTH NOTHING..

are you kidding me?michelle is the best example that I give because she is the biggest figure that stands out.

If you dont think that her being the first lady ISNT THE BIGGEST DEAL in this country for AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN,and one of the most important EXAMPLES OF OUR CLASS,BEAUTY AND SEXUALITY,

YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN. BECAUSE even though we all cant be in the white house,,WE ARE FIRST LADIES JUST THE SAME WITH OUR FAMILIES AND HUSBANDS AND CHILDREN.

THE FACT THAT SHES WERE SHES AT IS NOTHING BUT PROOF THAT AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN are not what you see on tv..the negative.The women that I know and come from and the women that many of you come from come from that same line of lineage as MICHELLE and we are examples of what she STANDS FOR everyday IN OUR EVERYDAY LIVES.

AND STILL,MANY OF YOU WILL TRY YOUR DAMN DARNEST TO TEAR WOMEN LIKE MICHELLE AND US DOWN.I DONT GET IT.I will never understand it.

I think many of you really need to examine the plight of AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN and all that we have accomplished despite of everything.YOU will never understand the kind of STRENGTH WE HAVE HAD TO HAVE TO SURVIVE IT ALL.not just from SOCIETY,but from our own BACKYARDS AS WELL..THE AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN DESERVES RESPECT.AND ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT SHES BEEN THROUGH AND WHATS SHES ACCOMPLISHED ,YOU WILL AGREE AS WELL.

you cant compare these lost women with the KIND OF WOMAN I REPRESENT AND MANY OTHERS ON THIS SITE REPRESENT.please understand the difference.

@crystalclear
Regardless of how much a person studies are is taught by their parents about the opposite sex that person has to go out and experience dating themselves. Your parents aren’t gonna tell you exactly what you need to know so you go out and make the right selection initial off the bat first swing. So the consequences you spoke about will come with the territory of experience. but if the person studies and gains experience not only through self but vicariously though others alot more then personally experiencing it they can keep their honor and still learn. Fathers are very necessary in learning about relationships and dating. but I don’t understand the excuse women use to excuse other women for not knowing to keep their legs closed if it’s one thing society ridicules women for it’s that. I can’t allow them to be excused I’m sorry.

My comments were never directed towardds black women distinctly. It was towards American women. and my comments are more accurate than just saying all American women so you don’t have to feel lumped into those categories

Life is a science. “My people parish from lack of knowledge” As far as I am concerned it doesn’t really matter really who’s at fault today. The Church has forgotten their role just as men and women have forgotten theirs. We are the only specie that will look upon another race and choose to live the dynamics of that race other than our own.

If you have a mate stand next to that mate naked in the mirror and have these thoughts. The male member of our specie is biologically designed to give. The female member of our specie is biologically designed to receive. Form follows function. One must submit to the other. You do the math and decide for your self if you are going to reinvent the wheel or role by design.

What kind of relationship are we having today. There is no pride or permanence. There is only a business transaction (Form follows function)

Many women today espouse that they have been left behind by their male counterpart or companion.

The true dynamic behind this phenomena.

Many women today are not going in the same direction of their male counterpart

(Form follows function) If you are not both moving in the same directions how do you EXPECT to arrive at the same location?

Insanity is repeating the same action EXPECTING a different result.

We the people, being the Co-Originators of the Hue-man specie are attempting to follow that which came behind us. Asian and European. We do this because we are orientated in life and by society and most importantly are socially educated by single parent homes as operated by young, young and younger woman.

We are oriented, trained and taught to follow the wombed man, that of which hath came after the first.

Adam/Atom

Today’s young adults and teens, guiding infant minds, do not possess the spiritual ac**en, historical perspective nor moral compass to navigate our future from the past pits of generational oppression. Do not assume or intimate that they can. We have generational issues that have festered and been fostered for over half a millennium. If we are going to see our way clear, we are going to have to return to the original blueprint of salvation.

LAW and ORDER. GOD, Man Woman, Child, Family, Community, State, Nation, World, back to GOD.

(in that order)

This FORUM has facilitated a very personal divulgence of intimate issues within the Black Family

It’s a TRICK. Do not continue to support racist and oppressive Ideologies. Airing our dirty laundry in the public forum is TREASONIST. Do not speak against our people through public mediums; speak to them at appropriate gatherings of like minded individuals i.e. (Book Clubs/pow-wows/etc.)

I speak to you here to warn every one > Watch the Gate, GATES are CLOSING

Now if the truth be told The BLACK MAN will always and forever retain full responsibility for the destruction of the BLACK COMMUNITY but the BLACK WOMAN is incontestably the cause and downfall. She has Failed to engender LOVE in our SONS and lacks the will and or intelligence to encourage our offspring to invest in and support our community. If she is unable to castrate her mate and or manipulate circ**stances in her favor, she will immediately take it out on the family by denying when ever possible the BLACK MANS access to his seed. If given the opportunity she will disrespect disturb and harass his sensibilities and even go so far as to become physically abusive until that BLACK MANS TRUE Nature of DOMINANCE is evoked; and by design, she will not hesitate to call a ROMAN, the SWORN ENEMY of NUBIA, to assassinate and or imprison, his MIND, BODY, and SOUL

SHAME ON US

SHAME SHAME SHAME

These facts above are already public knowledge
Known to the World but not to us.

Now Brothers and sisters in
This WAR between us

It started long ago
When we were shackled in dust

On an OLD COUNTRY road
Chained to the rust

When Uncle Sam came through
And placed us in cuffs

When the Queen was RAPED
The soldier paused

Mother Nature cried out
But we were BOUND by her Laws

Preservation of self
SURVIVAL OF THE FITEST

That’s when the war of the ROSES
In our hearts did hit us

She didn’t understand
And I couldn’t communicate

You need to study that MARK
When you study our fate

The ENEMY OF THE STATE
And what ENGENDERED the HATE

But take a look at your RAKE
Before the day gets late

Cause our heart grew the SEEDS of SHAME and DISGRACE
And all them tears in her EYES I couldn’t look at her face

SHE wasn’t MADE to UNDERSTAND
But in her heart SHE FELT

NEXT time you raise your hand
Look at the CARD she was DELT

PUT IT AWAY

FOREVER THY GUIDE,DEIFIC MIRROR
KEEPER OF THE FLAME and ETERNAL BONDSMAN

PRINCE NOVA

EZ Breezi is definetly a rare 1 lol..Question women? Do you wan’t a serious relationship/husband or are you just on here to vent? If its the latter cool but if its the former, listen. What kind of views should the type of men you’re seeking have towards this issue? I have seen plenty comments of women bashing men, telling them step their game up and explaining their view on this issue. What I have not seen is the expectation of the views of males they are seeking on this issue. I assume that many of your answers will be a man that wants a 50/50 split. Ok; so answer me this; where are the man at that see it like you? Did men think like this in previous generations? Who have you ever heard of that is a real man adheres to this principle? Oh I know..You’ve seen him from afar and are just waiting for that right time to approach him, or is he just a figment of your imagination? Like Jay-Z said “When does the truth begin, When does reality set in or does it not matter?” The point is real men don’t agree with this philosophy; only you and your single friends do. This is a theory that I have never seen a practical application to. Either a woman submits to a man or vice versa. Now if you want it that way just say it. But every time I have seen this the woman is ultimately not happy because she views the man as weak.

A good man is hard to find. Where are all the good men? Suppose I were to say all the good jobs are hard to find and where are the good jobs. If company after company said I must have a college degree, I’m not going to keep arguing with the CEO’s and presenting my case for why a college degree shouldn’t be required. Either I get it or forget about getting one of those jobs. I don’t have to “submit” to their standards but I’d be a fool to try to convince them to change them. Once again, women have been overwhelmingly the ones complaining about not being able to find quality males. This is why the example was geared that way.

The only rebuttle is to suggest that these good men that you long for do not want a submissive woman. Once again think hard and name one. And when I say submissive I don’t mean bowing down. I just mean not being so hard and combative. Post after Post I’m reading brothers telling you the same thing. We are all from different parts of the country, different ages with im sure different views but saying the same thing about this issue. Might not hurt to listen…But then again we may not be these good, real men you long for that agree with you. So where are they and what you waiting for in pursuing them?

Neva1betta, who say I want your love? hahahh I ain’t trying be in comptetion or something for earning respect ‘cuz a lot ppl have a different opnion /persective on what christian is. They always jump on gun when they get opinion.

You are an ingorant when you think I don’t live like ya’ll? Have you relaized I am still human being? It doesn’t mean I am perfection or anything…I still sin like what ya’ll do everyday . But christainy is where I retired my old horrible pasts to recieve grace. I can’t be sinner forever and have all bad things occur. Of course, I still make mistakes, but I am not ashamed, it is repented. I can’t believe you think I don’t know anything about world ya living in? HELLO! am not I here . AM not I here in blackplanet filtered with cussing words? I have to read them everyday! Quit saying that!

I don’t care if you say I ain’t christain… it aint for ya to judge
READ THE BIBLE!

The reasons most woman doesn’t believe in submitting to man: they doesn’t know whatever doing if he lost job, be abusive, malicious, etc?

Bible quotes submite to each one is because we are supposed to be sure it is only Godly good man and woman that will know and understand God when it comes to providing spiritually, romaticially, mentally, and pshyically. If a wife wants to be teacher but a man works while baby at home, they are supposed to have a really good matured conversation . If a man gets mad and slap woman during to heated conversation, God is the Head of marriage yet him too. Spirit holy shall moves to convict ceasing his hand from hitting you. If He is truly an actually godly man , he would obey the order that God gives or moves that Holy Spirit concivts.

That is all the reason Bible say to submit your man …it is no good for a man to be alone.

Be sure to wait on a man God has in store for u

I can understand that you are too heated or ingoring to message about submitting when you don’t think God can take care . But trust me He will. He is too powerful.

Paneiro1, You ask what is it that kats don’t get?

Simple…You guys don’t get how NOT to generalize each and every women in the same category.

Here in this forum you have a few sisters that make perfect sense, aren’t bitter at all, and who have very much given those good black men due respect for being just that.

Then there are YOU and ‘watchmesucceed’ who only thrive on bashing ALL of us as if you have met ALL of us…Not so.

When you males speak, you can only speak from your own experiences, WE here, have nothing to do with YOUR wrong choices and bad experiences…

THAT IS WHAT YOU DON’T GET…

GodPrincezz81, No offense to you at all..

But it really pains me to see a sister of your age that doesn’t have a better grasp of grammar and spelling, attempting to debate in a public forum…

Educate yourself more, represent yourself better…

This is my fourth post and with all intetntions my last, because im not going to keep trying to enlighten women who simply want to be right and dont look at things rationally. Im a real man explaining how I view this issue(strikingly simmilar to many other men’s posts) and all I keep seeing is rebuttle after rebuttle. So be “right” but hear me out and im through.

We can disagree until the next millenium but women are the primary ones complaining of the lack of good men, therfore they should explain how these real men that they long for should view this issue. How should “real” men view this issue in order to be an ideal catch for you? If you answer this question instead of trying to win a debate maybe you would see that maybe the reason it is so hard for you to find a real man is because your expectaion of his view on this issue is damn near unheard of.

I feel its a personel choice on what you allow between you and your mate.Their are so many problems arise in people relationships
because they allow an outsider to say something negative about you and your mate.[RESPECT IS THE KEY]do what works for you forget the BS..Married 23 years..I surround myself with positive people noones perfect..

The girl I’ll with just don’t get she says she can be a better girlfriend. Sean Garrett and Nikki Minaj. That song song says it all its entitled, Get it All.

HE SOUNDS LIKE A MANJIANA

Well said though.

@crystlclear…now i’m clear to why you’re so upset. You married a crackhead! You’re supposed to leave his ass! Why you married him int he first place? Only you can answer that. He aint sign the divorce papers yet? Wow..that’s a surprise. You need to make better choices. At what point were you NOT one of his loose women. You see you think you dont belong in that category simply because you were the WIFE. You made the biggest mistake. You married him. You shouldve fvcked him and kept it moving like the rest of them.

Hmmm…Really, Epidemy24…Well, by all means, please do enlighten Us…When a women submits her will to her Man, then What? Not a single one of the men responding to this question have answered That…WHAT IS A MAN’S RESPONSIBILITY TO HIS WOMAN WHO HAS SUBMITTED TO HIM, AND TO THE CHILDREN CREATED AS A RESULT OF THAT FAMILY UNIT? CAUSE YOU CANT BE A BUM/SELFISH/SELF CENTERED/HO-ISH/SLEEPING AROUND/&DUCKING RESPONSIBILITIES…AND THEN COMPLAIN WHEN YOUR WOMAN REFUSES TO CONTINUE FOLLOWING YOUR LEAD…WHICH IS WHAT MOST MEN DO THESE DAYS! So I will ask you again…What are the responsibilites of a Man who wants his woman to Submit to Him? NOT ONE MAN HERE IS WILLING TO ADMIT THAT MOST MEN STOPPED BEING LOYAL To their Families/Significant Other/& their Responsibilties LONG AGO…BUT WANT WOMEN TO “SUBMIT” TO THEIR SELFISH/SELF CENTERED/DICK OBSESSED WILL? Are you seriously crazy or just stupid? WHEN MEN RELEARN HOW TO BE LOYAL TO THE WOMAN BESIDE THEM, WOMEN CAN TRUST THEM AGAIN ENOUGH TO CONSIDER “SUBMITTING”…UNTIL THEN, IF YOU STAY DISLOYAL AND DISHONEST AND SELFISH…THEN STAY ALONE!

Hmm…So, Jazzy Creations thinks I should have “f**ked him and just kept it moving, huh”…? Then wouldnt I be one of those “Ho-ish” women you all keep downing? You are beginning to sound stupid, in your quest to be Right…I value the power of the Family Unit, and though it is horrible that my husband did not, I would never make a decision as you just described in your last posting…I should lower my values, to match his disloyalty and deceit, huh? Your logic is more of a joke than anything else…and I take children growing up without fathers very seriously, though you dont seem to…So…NEXT! NEXT IN LINE, PLEASE…Crack jokes all you wish…Still wont stop my flow…and btw, jsut for the record, I still hope that he gets his Life together, for the sake of our children growing up without him….Want to crack a stupid joke that doesnt make a single bit of difference about that too? Go ahead. Still wont stop my flow…Let the naysayers bray and joke like donkeys if they wish…SO BE IT! NEXT! NEXT IN LINE…

And just to answer your question, JAZZY CREATIONS…He wasnt using drugs when we got together…that s**t didnt pop up until we were together for many years…When I noticed he was changing, disappearing, and showing up with lies and excuses…We had already been together for damn near TEN years! WHen I confronted him & demanded the truth, he lied, as crackheads do…and then disappeared. But when we started seeing each other, of course he was not using drugs…I never would have married him if so…AND I WAS NEVER HIS LOOSE WOMAN, AS YOU TRIED SO CASUALLY TO SLUR ME. NEVER WAS, AND NEVER WILL BE…HE LEFT TO GO CHASE THOSE LOOSE WOMEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND HIS NEXT DRUG, I GUESS…BUT THAT WAS A STUPID SLUR YOU TRIED TO CHARACTER ASSASSINATE ME WITH! WHAT FOOLISHNESS WOULD MAKE YOU THINK I SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOSE? STUPID DOUBLETALK, AS USUAL…OR JUST A REALLY DUMB JOKE…EITHER ONE MAKES NO DIFFERENCE…STILL WONT STOP MY FLOW, SWEETNESS…(lol)

@GODPRINCESS, I NEVER SAID U DID NEED MY LOVE MY DEAR….but there are christians like you who think other ppl will not charge a christian up simply because you are one..like i said..We LIVE in a crazy society, and if u believe for the simple fact that being “CHRISTIAN” makes u immuned to the bs other ppl will bring ur way ur highly mistaken…i mean hey if you’re willing to call me ignornant..at least be SMART…lol real business….and i’m sorry as long as you’re ALIVE…you will be a sinner WTF???? there’s also sins of the mind…O IM SURE U KNEW THAT CHRISTIAN LADY….i will also add that sure, SOME WOMEN WILL SUBMIT TO A MAN IN OTHER PLACES, whether he’s worth being submitted to or not ITS A MUST FOR THEM…here we know the damn difference…SO NOTHING MUCH MORE NEEDS TO BE SAID ABOUT THAT….I see many black men still talking about theirs no good black women, african american women…MY THINGS IS, stop speaking as if its fact…unless you’ve dated every single..and i do mean EVVVERY BLACK WOMAN HERE…that crap is IRRELEVANT…some of you could come across a good black woman, then next second you run across one thats ignorant/hoish/gold-diggn…..you forget about that good one u just met…AND SAY ISH LIKE “ALL BLACK WOMEN ARE THIS AND THAT” tell me im lying????
As, i’ve said this has been a real debate….but every1 here has a point that they’re sticking to some may not understand others….it will continue…but NO THANKS….I as well as 3 other black women continue to say “WE LOVE BLACK MEN” they must read it as though it says “WE LOVE $$$, OR WE HATE BLACK MEN” “CHANGE THE WAY YOU LOOK AT THINGS..THE THINGS U LOOK AT WILL CHANGE” ;)I’M ONE BLACK WOMAN THAT WILL CONTINUE TO LOVE BLACK MEN, BECAUSE I WAS RAISED BY A DANG GOOD ONE….IF THE RIGHT BROTHER COMES A LONG I WILL BE ABLE TO PROVE IT, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING IT…UNTIL THEN WHATS A WOMAN TO DO???? TALK SENSE INTO THE ONES THAT THINK ALL BLACK WOMEN AINT SHYT HUH?? I CAN’T HELP BEING A STRONG PERSON…I’VE BEEN THAT SINCE I WAS IN DIAPERS WHAT CAN I SAY…SOME PPL ARE JUST STRONGER THAN OTHERS..WHETHER A WOMAN/MAN….BUT IT DOESN’T mean i wouldnt submit TO MY MAN..MAN-being that all the rest should fall into place…if i couldnt submit to u I WILL NOT DEAL WITH YOU…SIMPLE AS THAT…

i will also add…all the talk about KNOWING WHO YOU’RE DEALING WITH..that only goes so far….See i also believe someone should stay the same…TRUTH IS, NO1′S PERFECT…ppl flex/change all the time…its hard to stay the same all the time in this lifetime GIVEN the different things ppl go through….A SMART PERSON KNOWS THAT….but when u talk about cheating,drug habits, ETC showing up later “thats a part of falling OFF as i would say….LETS BE HONEST…THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT MAY BECOME SOMEONES HABITS…WHEN THEY didnt have them 3 yrs ago when u met them….SO BE REAL..that person may be the person you met 3yrs ago JUST WITH NEW HABITS…and if those NEWHABITS CAUSE ISSUES…THEN HELL YEA ITS TIME TO BOUNCE….

Submitting to your man, it can be a beautiful thing. When you go out you can submit to your man and let him pay the bill and tip too. When you go shopping you can submit and let him pay for it. When it’s your bday you can submit and let him plan and pay for the party with all your friends and family. I could go on. There are so many ways to submit to your man. LMAO Matter of fact, I think I should start submitting more. Should be exciting.

The word submission has been abused by religion and men who have no understand of what the true meaning of the word.
The true definitation of the word submit means to yield too, to consider to humble self to.
This word has been abused in to many ways.
Submission in a relationship comes naturally. You submit and or listen to one another.
For those who think Submission is about trusting one another…………if you blow that trust one time it will take an act of GOD for her to ever trust you again.
Black men stop whining about black women submitting to you. The more you make that demand the more women will not be likely to listen or want to be around you.
Step back and look at how you are asking her to submit and what are you asking her to submit too.
If you are asking her to submit to you all the time then something is not right on your part. Submission is a two way street. Would you be willing to, to submit to her if she asked.
Ladies listen before you submit dont be in a rush to say ok .
Men say what you have to and dont pressure her with submit or else….let her think about it. you might be suprised on her response.
Any good long lasting relationship consists of mutual respect, love and alot of patience. Communication is key for any good healthy relationship not demands of submission.

@califemme
I submitted to your request. I’ve been commenting more accurately so what else do we not get. Or is that it, everything else I say is right. I don’t support abusive black american men or abusive black american women. And it’s not just my experience it’s the people I’ve met experiences also.

I can’t speak for watchmesucceed, but my feelings on the matter doesn’t come from a little bit of evidence, as a society we see it everywhere, all the time. I will call women on their evils and their bullsh&t everytime just like society calls men on their bullsh&t. Women make me into the bad guy for bringing it up, but the guy that plays along with women agreeing with everything they say just to get some from them, he’s the real man. Nobody has a problem with him until he F#cks them and leaves.

Wow… This is still going on?

I know that I want to be wih only ONE lady, treat her like a lady,but if she cannot reciprocate, then it’s time to deliberate

@crystalclearNY It seems as if you have had a bad experience and im sorry for that but It’s funny how you answered my question with a question once again avoiding the question. But I will answer yours though. First a woman needs to submit to the RIGHT kind of man. This is the basic first step that messes alot of women up. Questions to ask.. Is the man God fearing?(not does he simply go to church, but does he have a general fear and respect of a higher power, and a spirit of humility)? Is he an honest man like myself and alot of these other brothers posting that are not going to tell you waht you want hear? Is he kind? Does he use foul languauge? Is he constatntly asking me for things? How does he use his money? Does he drink alot? Does he talk about ideas and future plans or does he simply talk about events and people? Is he thoughtful? Is he a good conversationlist? Does he love the nightlife or is he a homebody? Does he have the reputation of a player/w***e? Does he listen to my problems and try to help talk me through them or does he change the subject back to himself? These are basic criteria that women often put to the back burner to questions like… Is he fine? Does he have a good job? can he lay it down in the bed room? or does he flatter me with compliments of how much he love me? The problem is many women submit to the wrong type of men and for the wrong reasons because they are so eager for love or to be married that they dont ask these questions? They then figure it out after it goes sour and get hard as hell and say “I guarantee the next man wont get me like that”, which leads to the mentality you display. The easy answer for them is that good men don’t exist because women do not want to try submission again. Therfore the excuse is “I will submit when men start acting right again”. This is a paradox because they are going to continue to advocate that men don’t act right thus never subjecting themself to the possibility of submission.

But to answer your question, The man should be loyal and faithful. He should provide for his woman financially. He should be an emotional support and verbal encourgement of accomplishments that she wants to fulfill and remind her that things are going to work out(he should have a plan, small and short term about the direction of the family). He should make decisions about money usage and should be trusted(going back to the questions)in these decisions. He should get his ass out of them streets and be at home. He should handle the issues of car repairs, house repair etc. I don’t have a problem in admitting that alot of men aren’t loyal, so why do you have a problem admitting that alot of them are. I haven’t dogged a woman out. I haven’t verbally or physically abused a woman. The problem I run into is women like you that make men like me pay for what fools did to you. How many other good guys showed interest in you before you husband that you passed on? What was it about him that made you say he’s the one. Women want the thrill and excitement that foolish men initially bring…girl he so hood;his game was tight(game=games); he got all these other women but I won cause I got him…he don’t take no s**t…all of these things are character traits that alot of women love. The guy thats calm is lame; the guy that articulates himself is not real enough. The guy that has long term plans and doesn’t have material things is not on his game. This guy is not appealing until after a decade passes and the fool breaks your heart; now the “lame” doesn’t want you. Now can you answer my question?
How should the ideal man for you view the issue of submission?

My example wasnt a fool. My father is a hard working, real man that provided for his family, came home every night and never mismanaged the household to where my siblings and I were worried about the next day. I thank my mom for submitting to him and trusting his lead. And my mom is weak by no means. My mother and father have been happily married for 33 years. Both sets of my grandparents were happily married until their dying days. Im not speaking theory Im speaking what I know. And p.s. I’m not stupid or crazy as you implied…once again maybe the kind of men you get are the ones who don’t mind being talked to like that cause a real man is not going to be interested in a woman that throws verbal assaults around especially when I wasn’t nasty towards you.

Epidemy24..great post. Obviously these women are too defensive to just get it.
@crystal – you are now defending your choice to marry a crackhead like you got suckered into it. Come on..what’s even worse is that he became one after being with you for 10 years. Obviously you feel you had nothing to do with that..which bring me back to the fact that he was probably a crackhead all a long and did a damn good job hiding it from you until the drug got the best him which it eventually and usually does. So justify your mistake, wish him well and all that, but take responsibility for why your marriage went wrong.

What I don’t get about this WHOLE discussion is why folks seem to think that what works for THEM is what everyone else or anyone else should do. For the women who prefer or need to submit…no one is saying you shouldn’t. But for whatever reason, the submissive women seem insistant that other women who don’t need to or don’t want to submit should do it anyway. I expect the men to say that they see it working. Of course they do…submission works in THEIR favor. Duuuh…lol

I actually think I respect the posts by the males more who at least are honest enough to say that they just want women to stay in their 1950s place. They know what submission means and they don’t try to front like its for the good of all. Its to keep the status quo like eliminating Civil Rights would benefit white folks.

@Nunyabidniz – thx for that comment. Glad you appreaciate the fellas here for being honest. It does come at a price. I’d like to add taht I’m not really so bent on the submissive state mind in terms of keeping women in their place (like the 50′s). But be submissive to the point where you know where to draw line. We need more balance in the relationship. It can’t all go my way, but it certainly cant go all yours either.

To: Jazzy Creations: Lots of people have a checkered past…Not all of them bring that old baggage into their marriages, like my husband did! And I have no problem with accepting my faults and flaws in our marriage…What you dont know is, when I saw the marriage faultering, I set up marital counselling appointments with his consent TWICE…both times he refused to go the day before the appointments…SO YOU CANT ACKNOWLEDGE OR FIX ANYTHING IN A MARRIAGE IF ONLY ONE PARTNER IS WILLING TO DO SO…Dont you know that? Or are you simply playing dumb? Are you seriously trying to say that in your Mind it is not possible for people to change/revert/transform into something far different than what they were when you met in the Beginning? Cause if you believe that s**t, then Good Luck, brother!

And since you clearly dont know…I have freely detailed my Life Story as a living legacy for posterity/for my children/& for the World to read…So I have no problem with admitting my mistakes/bad choices/or wrong decisions in Life…In fact, I’m banking on using my own personal experience detailed in that book (& several others I have in Mind) as a financial cushion for my little ones, God Willing…So I hope that everybody reads It! MY LIFE IS AN OPEN BOOK…LITERALLY! (Title: Sliding Down Sugar Hill)…So you can see CRYSTALCLEARLY (lol) that I very easily can take criticism/rude comments/scorn/silly complaints/debates (YAWNNNN)…Do SHOW UP AT THE BOOKSIGNING WITH YOUR COPY! Or better yet…Write your own story, and we can debate that too…IF YOU DARE! Now, I already know the answer to that One, you aint writing S**t except silly comments, flip dissmissals and complaints…so let’s skip it, shall we? I have a book to get ready to publish and promote…and several ideas for Book # 2…But I’m sure you’ll have a flip, smarmy, tightass comment about That, too! NEXT!! NEXT IN LINE, PLEASE…!!! (LOL)

Hmmm…Okay, Epidemiy24…You had a great father growing up…And he must have been very influential in your Upbringing, because many of your points in that last posting were quite balanced, fair and sensible…Except for one glaring Line…you said “I dont have a problem admitting that a lot of men are not loyal, so why do you have a problem admitting that a lot of them are?” You said that, right? YOU DONT SEE THAT IS A GLARING CONTRADICTION…WHICH ONE IS IT? ARE YOU SAYING A LOT ARE DISLOYAL? OR A LOT ARE LOYAL?…CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, BROTHER…YOU DONT SEE THAT? One minute you agree that lots are actually disloyal..and then you take it back! Not realistic…thats going into Fantasy Island territory…Step away from the Shore!

AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF A MAN WERE TO BEHAVE IN THE MANNER THAT YOU DETAILED AND DESCRIBED WITH REGARDS TO TAKING CARE OF HIS WOMAN, OF COURSE HE SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO, SO LONG AS HE IS NOT HURTING HIS WOMAN OR CHILDREN IN ANY WAY. That type of Man as you described in your last posting, does actually exist…but not as many as you guys seem to think…(At least, not in NYC, where I live)…Here, guys as family oriented as that are as rare as the Unicorn! Most guys around here are just like old Watch Me Rise, as his ihnfamous posting said on July 17, at 8:31pm…”Gets his fleshly needs met, and keeps it moving!” If there were more guys as you described, there wouldnt be so much division in Family Households! There would be no reason to Be Divided…You feel Me?

To: JAZZWATCH…That last line you laid down was Funny! (LOL) I definitely do Agree…(I’m still laughing about it, thanks for a good chuckle!)…Enjoyed it, for sure…

@REFRESHING ONE… Thank you for helping people UNDERSTAND what the true WORD SUBMISSION means..

It DOES NOT MEAN RULING OVER OUR WOMAN AND OR MAN, it means if you read between the lines ,,EVERYTHING THAT YOU STATED.

Now for those who think that SUBMISSION is one sided ,that the woman does whatever the man says,regardless if hes not living right,can treat his woman any kind of way other than what GOD STATED as respect ,love, towards his woman etc,that its something negative,your wrong.

Like some are saying .the word SUBMISSION and its meaning has been changed to fit usually a MANS agenda of RULE AND CONTROL OVER A WOMAN.

thats not what we are speaking about..This submission is not the same meaning I get out of what the bible says.Nor is that what its saying.

AND OF COURSE ,FOR THOSE WOMEN,who dont like the word SUBMISSION in any of its meanings, OF COURSE YOU DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW OF SEE IT THAT WAY…

We are just speaking about the order of things,and how things could work better.Society as a whole seems to be straying away from order and discipline and its making MORE PROBLEMS ,NEWER PROBLEMS THEN SOLVING THEM when it comes to relationships.

but ultimately,everyone has to choose their path for themselves and how you want to live it.if you live it your way and you can look back with no regrets,then their wasnt a problem with the path you choose for you.

But their are some guidlines set up for all of us to help keep things in order to a point.thats all. :)

“neva1betta, thank you as well! If you dont NEED those types of women…then why in hell are even commenting on them??
BITTER MUCH!!!!! lol”

Cali,
Specific brothas in this post “comment” on these “types” (as they’ve described them) of sistas because they were victimized badly and “thereafter” all sistas are culprits.

While it IS clear that SOME of the males posting here DO have “head trips” with sistas, the thing of it is this is not the forum for “Therapy 101.” Finger-pointing is RARELY accompanied with, “what I did in harming the relationship.”
Of course not! For that would BE akin to open admission that you fucced up. For the arrogance splayed across these pages, partnered with the size of EGO of some here simply will not allow that. Ain’t gonna happen…lol!

And I suspect the very same sistas that some claim that they don’t “need,” are the very same persons that ARE repeat offenders in selecting these “wrong” types of sistas.

As one brotha aptly put it…”insanity IS doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting a different outcome.” If someone treated me badly, I KNOW I’d do a RUSH to get them the hell AWAY from me.

But then again? I guess that for some, many WILL go up “fool’s hill” (as my mother terms it) all of their lives. Pity.

@jazzycreations thx and you are right they are too defensive to get my point and they refuse to answer my question..What should their ideal man’s view be on “submission”? You are right;trust is not going to always be what they want to hear and they need to make better choices.

TO: EPIDEMY24…I dont get your last posting…I cant speak for everyone you reponded to…BUT I DID ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME…So What are you talking about? That last posting you put up made no Sense…Didnt you see my answer to your questions? WTF?

Phazex Female…Damn! You said a mouthful there, sister! I was laughing the whole way through that last posting…Tootoo funny…Tootoo sad…and tootoo True! Thanks a million for making a very valid point!

@ JazzyCreations….shouldn’t all adults know where to draw the line? Since women are not children, I would think their line is right there with the lines of other adults.

@ the women (can’t see all the ones saying it) who think that the women who are not open to being submissive means we must not understand the true meaning…please stop. We understand it; we just don’t agree with it. You are sugarcoating it to change the meaning. Sub means “sub”, no matter how you try to romanticize it. But, I don’t take issue with any woman who chooses or accepts submission. What I do wonder is why so many of you seem to take issue with women who are just not interested. Why can’t you all do your thing and leave other women to do theirs?

In an ideal world, where people’s individual preferences as opposed to factual consequences are trumped without any intersecting and harmful effects on other members of the population, then such liberal views about each and everyone doing what they like would make sense…

However, since we all affect each other on this planet, nobody really does anything in isolation that doesn’t affect someone else… That person that chooses to sleep around and infects others with STDs has already affected the lives of those who do not because sooner or later, they may come in contact with one of their victims who they decide to sleep with and may become pregnant and infected as well…

Also, the child that comes from a home where the parents are always fighting or competing against each other will be imprinted more often than not, with the same mindset and go on to propagate it…

Just like the little stone thrown in the pond that generates large ripples, there is no such thing as independent consequences or actions without causing external interference…

The laws of nature continue to prove this but humans are the only ones who believe that the laws that govern reality do not apply to them and so we have what we have…

@Epidemy24…there is nothing to be defensive about. Since it is a choice, there is no reason to be “defend” ones choice to reject being “sub” to another human being.

Do you feel that as a black male, YOU are being defensive when you demand the same rights, respect and treatment as white men? Or do you feel that those things should be given to you simply by virtue of your being a grown human being?

@ paniero1.. of course WOMEN want to be challenged by men who have sense and sensibility. THATS THE WAY THAT WE LEARN FROM ONE ANOTHER AND ULTIMATELY RESPECT ONE ANOTHER…and vice versa.I never wanted a man that would just do what I say.WHO WANTS A PUPPET? BUT I DO WANT A MAN THAT RESPECTS MY OPINION,INTELLECT AND SKILLS WHEN ITS BASED ON REAL SENSIBLE KNOWLEDGE.JUST LIKE YOU WOULD WANT A WOMAN TO RESPECT YOURS..

NOR SHOULD NO REAL MAN WANT A WOMAN THAT WONT CHALLENGE YOU AS WELL.IT ONLY MAKES US BETTER FOR EACH OTHER.. CHALLENGE IN THIS SENSE ISNT A BAD THING..

its actually a good thing to call out women on our bulls**t when its ACTUALLY bulls**t in the same way we as WOMEN call out MEN on their BULLS**T..This is one of the best ways of CHALLENGING THE MINDS INTELLECTUALLY WHEN WE ARE BOTH SPEAKING FROM FACTS AND EXPERIENCES. NOT LIES ,AND NONSENSE..

I can never really know what REAL MEN are going through,what your feelings are and what you believe for yourselves as men if I dont ask you.if women dont ask you.NOT TO MANIPULATE YOU BUT TO TRULY KNOW YOU.We as women WANT TO SPEAK TO YOU (MEN),COMMUNICATE,CHALLENGE YOU TO BE BETTER FOR YOU AND FOR US (WOMEN) SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER AND GET TO A POINT WERE WE RESPECT EACH OTHERS VIEWS,BELIEFS ETC BASED ON

FACTS ONLY AND NOT BULLS**T THAT the tv tube ,internet and a few bad apples try to push to the forefront of making everyone believe to be relevant..

IF WE COULD JUST RESPECT EACH OTHER (MEN,WOMEN) MORE AND REALLY TRIED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE BOTH NEED FROM EACH OTHER AS WHOLE WOMEN AND MEN,NOT TAKING PARTS OF EACH OTHER ,THEN WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB OF MAKING LOVE AND NOT WAR WITH ONE ANOTHER WITH AN ULTIMATE UNDERSTANDING AND FRIENDSHIP,,REAL FRIENDSHIP THAT IS SO LACKING BETWEEN THE SEXES TODAY.

BEFORE I TRULY WANT TO KNOW YOU( MEN) ALL OF YOU,I NEED TO BE YOUR FRIEND FIRST AND I NEED TO UNDERSTAND YOU(MEN) AND MEN SHOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT WOMEN..

AFTER ALL,IT DOES SAY WE WERE MADE FROM A MANS RIB TO HELP PROTECT YOUR(MAN) HEART.BUt so many of you wont let us.. we are not your enemy,we just have to do a way better job of understanding waht we truly mean to each other .(MEN and WOMEN)
we are a limitted bread down here. only two choices. Men and WOMEN,so we better start helping each other and protecting each other because their isnt anyone else.

@ paniero. excuse me ,let me say some women.Not all women want this.

Also, should children and teenagers submit to their parents?

Should citizens submit to the state? Pay taxes? Obey laws? Abide by the rules of employment?

Should pupils submit to their teachers?

Should you submit to your boss?

Should your employees submit to you?

Should you submit to the laws of the state?

Who knows?

As a young and single black woman, from what I am gathering from this post and some others is that some black men think that all black women are gold-diggers but will also say that black women are too independent. Speaking as one of those independent women, I know that I pay my own rent, foot all the bills, buy all of my clothing and pay for my tuition but you guys are saying that I am wrong for taking care of myself when there is no one else who will. Can you please enlighten me on how all black women are considered gold-diggers but are also too independent, that’s a major contradiction. If and when a real man comes along whom is my husband then I will have no problem with submitting as long as I am considered as his equal, nothing more and nothing less!!!

If there was a third gender, would men and women still work together, I wonder?

What if this third gender had the best of both worlds, what would happen?

@Crystalclear
You still dont get it. You husband was a crackhead. You found out 10 years into the marriage. Let me know where I dont have this right. He became a crackhead somewhere along the line while you were married. You seeked counseling TWICE and he refused to go. Hmmmmm. Did you ever try to put the brothah in REHAB??? Besides that, you leave out too many points and he’s not hear to defend himself (although I dont expect his excuse for smoking crack to ever come across with any validity). And again, I told you it was smart to leave him in the first place. Once you knew he was a crackhead, you bounce! Period. You from New York City at that. You should know better.

@crytalclearNy In reponse to you talking about my use of the word alot, Im not tryin have anything both ways because im being factual. I could have easily not acknowleded that men are not loyal for the sake of winning a debate but im about being real and I know this to be the truth. Im not in fantasy land. If I walk into a building and there are 100 people in there and 40 have on blue shirts and 50 have on green shirts and 10 another color then alot of them have on blue shirts and alot of them have on green shirts. Do you agree? Alot doesnt mean the majotiy. That word is “most”. The point is there are alot of loyal men but some women want to get into a debate on the percentage of loyal men. Hey just get one and leave the disloyal one by themselves.

In the example I gave about the shirts you can choose that the 50/100 or either the 40/100 are loyal men. It doesnt matter to me but either number 40 or 50 is still alot. Right?! But im sure you would say the 10 lol. I disagree but if you feel that way that just means you shouldn’t give the other 90 the time of day. Then the question becomes why do women do this?

Once again you avoided my question. You’re doing exactly as I pointed out in my previous post. You are stating what a man has to be about before a women submits. I agreed and covered that in my last post even giving questions to ask before you submit. However, that’s giving yourself a loophole because your will continue to stand by the notion that men don’t act right, giving yourself reasoning for why you will never submit. Do you get this? My question to you once again is: What should your ideal man’s view be on “submission”? Forget about what a man isn’t doing; im saying one that is doing right. Plain and simple. And in the end you put it right back on the man. Did you read my questions in choosing the right man to sumbmit to. Did you ask yourself these questions before you got married?

@Mskristaleezy
I’m not sure where you got your information but from my perspective that’s exactly what we (men) want. An independent woman who is doing her thing (Job, rent, bills, clothes, hair, toes and nails). LOL. Handle your business. Dont expect that from men simply because you decide to lay down with a brothah. Show your independence. We can all respect that. Just because I come into the picture it doesnt mean those responsibilities dont remain yours. Obviously as we grow those things can become both of our responsibilities. Problem today is that a lot of women are looking for a handout from the gate. And when they get it they think it justifies their decision to be with him. Then things go sour and it’s all his fault. But you allowed yourself to be clouded by the material and financial things he had to offer but wasted years as the real him trickled in to your life. Again all I ask is that you take responsibility for your decisions and see the entire picture.

@ AfricanSpeech…YES to all of those. Those are great examples of submission to authority and authority figures.

@courtneyr
When I challenge women they take it as finger pointing. It doesn’t matter how tactful I am they still jump up to defend the integrity of womanhood by trying to discredit my opinion. Even If Im speaking to a woman about a woman she doesn’t know from a hole in the wall and give valid reasons for my feelings about that woman it is turned to defense of womanhood from a man. I always end up being the bad guy because I don’t sit there and pretend for my own benifit like other guys do.

During the dating process for example, Some men just sit there and advocate and agree with everything a woman says meanwhile not believing a word that sje speaks. I allow these abusive women to trap themselves then point out there lies subtly. I believe if women(especially abusive women) aren’t called on their evils and bullsh%t they’ll continue to do them, seeing as they have no reprecussions unlike men. I understand there should logically be some women who have some appreciation for the challenge but for alot of women, when their closet is opened they get defensive and offensive.

@Crystalclear
I’m beginning to think your only reason for being here is to promote your book..LOL..but i wont let you off the hook that easily.
@Epidemy24 -thx again for another great post. The accuracy was on point and it hard to believe anyone would disagree with you. But of course everyone has a right to their own opinion and you clearly know this as well. I think we just want these ladies to RESPECT and understand what we have to say. You articulated this point extremely well.

So Crystalclear..for like the 10th time..you get another opportunity to answer his question. Remember we’re speaking clear english here. Peace.

What I will say is that I have met the “independent women” who claim that men are intimidated by them and when I step up to them, they are all lovey dovey until they find out that I am nothing like the stereotypical black/african guy and they slink back into the shadows, LOL…

What I have come to realize that this is just not black/african women but it is a type of person who is comfortable with you only when they think they are better than you… Once they find out your credentials, they run like hell…

So it goes both ways but I can say that I have seen less men being intimidated by “more qualified” women than the reverse… Just my experience…

As for submission, women do tend to submit to a man other women submit to, especially if he’s leading some project or effort and is inaccessible to any of the women. But if he dates any one of those women… Watch out…

Again, I am putting the disclaimer… NOT ALL WOMEN…

@ Nunyabidinz.. I’m not seeking a union with a white man so I don’t get your point. Black women are seeking unions with black men and have a problem with the role that is expected of them. Sure everybody deserves to be treated with respect. Maybe there is something im missing because I never said that a woman should not be treated with respect. I am one of the most respectful men you will meet and if you look at my posts you will see that I haven’t been disrespectful. We are talking about a union and what role to play in this union.

Hmmm…Okay EPIDEMy24…Your question is “What should my ideal Man’s stand be on Submission”…This sounds like an essay question, but, okay…My ideal Man’s stand on submission should be that with regards to marriage/or a serious relationship, Submission should Go Both Ways…the Wife should submit to her Husband’s will at times, and the Husband should submit to his Wife’s will at times…So long as niether party is hurting the other. Hope that answered your question, specifically enough…

Hmmm…JAZZY CREATIONS…So, again, another joking, dismissive comment, huh? You think I am “just here to promote my book”? Tootoo ignorant! I dont even have a publisher yet, so jumping ahead to promotion is a bit farfetched & pre-mature at this point….MUCH LIKE YOU! No need to respond, unless you like wasting your time (I’m sure you Do…but I dont like wasting Mine)…We’re done here! NEXT! NEXT IN LINE, PLEASE! Sound a bit bitter too…Hmmm…

@crystalclearNY Well jazzy she answered lol. Well thanks for finally answering. Do you really believe this or you just had to think of something to write? You did not appear to be confident with your statements. Not an essay question just the basic question to this topic. I think it shows that you have mastered the art of “what you won’t do or what you will not allow”, but haven’t thought about what will practically work. I’m assumnig that all you have is thoery. Has this ever worked in your relationships? Have you ever seen practical applications of your example in any relationship? You say a man submitting sometimes and a woman submitting sometimes. Okay so who decides on what issue who submits? If Preident Obama and Vice president Obama had this relationship then what?

meant to say vp Biden lol

To :Epidemi24…Yes, this has worked in past relationships, for Me…Not so much with my husband, who was notoriously tight-lipped about his feelings…and you see where that ended! As for Obama and the Vice Pres…I cant say. As far as I know, the President makes all the decisions in that political relationship…And I am not debating that part with You! You can get a better answer for that question from those two, not Me…

And who bothers to write anything that they really Dont believe in…? Though you may disagree with Me, please dont insult my intent/passion/or dedication to my position, cause insults roll of my back like water off a waterfall…And good luck with getting an answer from Obama and the Vice Prez…(lol) Peace

Lets consider this:

Genesis 3:16 (King James Version)

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

This is a punishment to eve, or the way of her relation with her husband after they fell.
God told her that
“he shall rule over thee”

Now how many sisers are willing to live in that:
God said that to her after she fell, so this is the way of relations in the world/

If we are christians and we seek to give our lives to Gods Son.
Then we are free from this curse./
The man and woman are supposed to care for eachother

God does tell the woman to submit to her own husband,
yet does mean that she has to obey her husband, or the Lord.
And if the Lord
Then how does she submit to her own husband.
Allowing her husband to care for her.
By allowing him to play his part in that relationship.

This submission calls for a care that only a husband can provide.
Submission in Christ is not the same as how the world would view submission
And we see that by the first passage of Scripture,
God tells the woman that the man will rule over her.
And if this is a punishment to her.
How can she still desire to be ruled over by anyone but the Lord, when she gives her heart to him.
The curse changes and she is free
and man and woman both are one in the Lord
As it is written

1 Corinthians 11:11-13 (King James Version)

11Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

12For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

So in Christ a woman should desire to be ruled over.
But rather we submit to eachother, and this submision means to allow the other person to care for you, looking out for eachothers needs,
and the man must in many cases put the womans needs before his own.
Thats how we submit to you
and the woman submits by allowing the man to care for her.
Its not as easy as it sounds,
its not easy putting someelse first, and trusting them to put you first.

When God made eve, her made her to be a help to him, to be equal to him,
adam said flesh of my flesh

BLess God

Oh…and who decides what issues to submit on…? I think that is an open question…Each situation may be different…It depends on what works best for each individual family. Thats between the husband and the wife to decide! Nuff said!

Last paragraph should read

“in Christ a woman shouldnt desire to be ruled over”

The full truth is this.
God gives us one passage about a woman that moved in the flesh and paul told her not to speak until she gets home basically.
Paul said that a woman should teach a man
and that was over 2000 years ago

so we have to ask God
if He set us free from the curse of a woman having the desire to be rule over.
Then why did paul say that a woman should teach in that day:

Its because the gospel was delivered through men, and in that day the woman had to come to be known as being learned before they were trusted with the gospel..
But in our day
the woman of GOd are truly learned.
Being that God pours out His Spirit on all flesh.
So we transition to the conclusion of pauls adress to them

After paul said all of that to them, after he told the woman to basically not teach the men,
then paul says this:
He gives us a way of the Spirit
He tells the truth and it applies to those that live in Christ.
And that truth says that there is no male nor female in Christ Jesus
He says nevertheless

after saying all of that to them
he said this

1 Corinthians 11:11-13 (King James Version)

11Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

12For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

So that shows us that the woman is just as a saint as a man,
we both have the same good Spirit of power, and its not partial.

Now ofcourse in the world, they will not agree with this,
And I dont blame them since GOd said this:

Genesis 3:16 (King James Version)

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

God says
thy desire shall be to thy husband
he shall rule over thee

This is a punishment and the way of the world.
In Christ the woman desire to be ruled by GOd
and she desires to see the Christ in her man
and the man should submit that Christ in Him to her first, and she should do the same
and we both take care for eachother in the power of the Spirit of turth and love
bless all
prodical

The example of obama and biden is called a rhetorical question…Don’t need an answer lol. Not insulting your position thats just the way it seems. I mean you are the one being rude..asking me if im stupid and saying my post made no sense when you didn’t even adress the question. And you say it has worked in past relationships, but not with you husband?!!?? Then why didn’t you marry one of these other guys in these past relationships who bought into your system, and who it worked with, instead of your husband who did not?????? Once again, choices in men…

@crystalclear. it’s obvious to every one here that you’re the bitter one. just make better decisions next time and maybe things will turn out differently for you. We still hear everything the crackhead did wrong but nothing about you. hmmmmm. He was notoriously tight-lipped about his feelings? Wow..that’s a stretch. You are not accepting your responsibility for your failed marriage.

So women if you feel that desire to be ruled over
know that its of the flesh, and you dont need anyone to rule over you.
That feeling is in the flesh, and GOd said thats how a woman would feel.

Genesis 3:16 (King James Version)

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

YOUR DESIRE WILL BE TO THY HUSBAND
HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE

Thats the way of the world sister
in Christ you can be strong,
God will give you the desire to have Jesus rule over you
not man
Bless All
BLess God
sorry for the many post
sorry for the mistypes
bless all

Epidemy24…the question was to compare attitudes. If equity with women means we are defensive, then does a black males insistence on equity means they are being defensive?

Epidemy…you live in America. You have relationships and encounters with whites on a regular basis as we all do. When you are working with, dealing with whites…do you know you “role”? Traditionally, that is…

@Nunyabidniz Well I am not comparing equality. I didn’t say women should submit to men period. Im saying in an institution. The example with white men is they wanted us to bow down to them simply because they are white. In histoy this meant if i’ve never seen a certain white man and he said boy come here I would have to do that. There is no union there and thats the difference. This would be equivalent to me saying women come here and you have to simply because I’m a man and you’re a woman. I don’t think any male in here believes in that. That’s may be submission but thats also disrespect and im not advocating that. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect. But in every institution there is a head. I’m not trying to suggest that women bow down. Im saying that maybe the reason women are having problems in relationships is they are assuming unnatural roles. And if women are supposed to lead then thats cool just find a guy that agrees. If its supposed to be 50/50, then show me one instituion that functions effectively this way. Either let a man lead or you lead.

Hmmm…So now you’re concerned about hearing My side of the Story…I doubt that! Just looking for another opportunity to Make a silly ass comment again…YAWWWNNNN…If you’re so interested, I already wrote about that…check my previous postings! NEXT!!! NEXT IN LINE!! (Damn sure is hard to get rid of you, hmmm…Like a bug that needs squashing…lol) What are you trying so hard to prove? That I should care what You think? HAHAHAHAHA…You’re wasting your time…If you’re so concerned about what my side is, go read it for Yourself…Now Poof! Begone…I’d rather watch mud dry than talk to You! Is that what bothers You so Much? (LOL) NEXT!! NEXT IN LINE!!!

I think that in today`s dating world so many people have given up on love so the negative aspect is all they see. You have individuals who will, as stated previously, instigate fights or other drama simply because that is the only aspect of a relationship that they know. You can`t always assume just because a person failed at a relationship they were wrong. Everyone meets that person that has been where you are going and you just could not seem to win that person over like everyone else. Sometime the person is patient with you because of their feelings and sometimes they move on to someone that they are evenly yoked with. Life teaches us our lessons in different ways. We are all not worthy of judging anyone. Men need women as much as women need men. It was apart of the plan from the beginning.

My neighbor who is 83 years old said that “It is a shame that most of your generation will never know what true love is.” If we keep this battle of the sexes going, looks like she will be right.

Peace and Love All

P.S. TO: JAZZY CREATIONS…That last posting was for You, my sweet…And btw…you said “Its obvious to everyone here that I am the bitter one…” OH, WELL…I DIDNT KNOW YOU WERE THE SPOKEMAN OF THE ENTIRE BLACK PLANET/HB COMMUNITY…WERE YOU ELECTED THAT POSITION INSIDE YOUR MIND…ON PLANET JAZZY? (LOL) Tootoo Stupid…Next!! Please, Anyone…NEXT IN LINE!! (LOL)

@nunyabidniz – i’ll jump in and say this. Insistance on equity is not being defensive on either side. It’s understanding where your insistance is coming from. It’s all about being fair. We want equality in corporate america and when we fight for it..we are certainly called defensive as a way to demean our efforts in what we’re trying to achieve. Which is simply to better ourselves. Women here want equity but dont understand their role in submitting to get it. As for men submitting to women, I think we’ve done that enough on many levels. Just stop blaming us for everything that goes wrong. We’re not perfect. That’s been made clear here over and over. But the women continue to ignore their roles in their own misjudgement of the men they choose.

@crystalclearNy Ok next in line Could you answer my last post to you?

@crystalclear -if you check my posts fromt the VERY beginning you’ll see the consistency in my comments. Now go to page one and read up. Now on the other hand, read your own and see how INCONSISTENT you in yours. which shows that this debate has gotten the best of you..so now you think it’s a battle of words but we’re posting our opinion. You decided to give examples based on your personal life and we’re exposing you for the perfect example as to why we’re having this debate in the first place. Now read my very first statement on this subject.
I said something like “women need to shut the fvck up and let men be men”…read the rest on your time but you clearly forgot to take that advice and you’re still running your mouth. Makes me wonder why your husband started smoking crack in the first place..hmmmmm…Now that was a low blow..but you made me go there. peace.

@crystalclear the post that begins “The example of obama and biden…” is the post im referring to

I have to say that I love the fact that WE ALL are really speaking about the relatiobships between the sexes..and for the most part,we are really listening to each other.maybe not agreeing with everything but listening.I think its wonderful. :)

@ paniero1…I see nothing wrong with what you said about challenging because I believe women should do the same to men when its coming from a place of love and concern.and when YOUR TALKING ABOUT MATTERS OF THE HEART,SPIRIT HONESTY OF A MAN AND A WOMAN THAT YOU ARE TRYING FOR.YOU JUST CANT HAND THAT AWAY WITHOUT CONSIDERABLE THOUGHT.So I get that.and to me,for men who do challenge based on facts and real feelings of love and respect towards women,its a form of leadership.So i dont have a problem with men who do so because its says to me that you are willing to be challenged.and some times the woman may have the right answers and some times the man may have the right answers but all in all, that challenging will help both come to the better choice of relating to one another..so im all for it…again,when its not based on bulls**t and lies..

@ prodical3ny… thank you for also spelling out what the true word of SUBMISSION in this sense really means..I think more people should read what you wrote on here.

and submitting in this sense wouldnt be a tiff for taff or what to submit to or not…it would just be something natural that you would do because your naturally falling into the roles that were given to you.both man and woman..

as for some women,we are brought up to learn and experience life cautiously,learning as much about ourselves to help grow into women.we do things independently when we are learning about ourselves because its just us.but when we come across that MAN,the one for us,naturally I feel something biological takes over.Its not just independent me anymore.I CANT THINK ITS JUST ME ANYMORE.NOT FOR THE SAKE OF MY HUSBAND AND CHILDREN.(I DONT HAVE EITHER YET) BUT WATCHED MY PARENTS HAVE A HEALTHY CO EXISTANCE WITH EACH OTHER FOR 35 YEARS.their is another half thats been brought to me that I have to submit to now.TO WANT TO STOP RUNNING AND WANT TO BE CAUGHT BY A MAN OF EQUAL UNDERSTANDING OF HIS ROLE AND PLACE AS IT RELATES TO GOD AND HIS WOMAN.WOMEN CANT BE MEN,MEN CANT BE WOMEN.CHILDREN NEED BOTH.THE EXISTANCE OF MANKIND NEEDS BOTH.NOR DO MOST OF US DONT WANT TO B BOTH EVEN THOUGH some women have to try to be both when a man leaves his responsibilities and duties to his family.and vice versa.

but we as women need you(men) and the only way that many of you can have us is by this definition of what your role is given to you by god on how you are to TREAT US (WOMEN)nothing more ,nothing less..We dont want to be MEN,,, WE WANT YOU TO BE MEN,SO WE CAN MARVEL AT THE STRENGTH AND LIGHT OF YOU TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS THAT WILL IN TURN ALLOW US(WOMEN) TO TAKE CARE OF OURS so we can create a really beautiful unit of trust and understanding of what itt is that we are to build together…nothing more beautiful than for MEN AND WOMEN TO REALLY SEE EACH OTHER.WHEN you gain our trust(women) their is nothing that we wont do for you as long as you understand the true role you were giving.

SUBMITTING MEANING PART OF THIS PASSAGE THAT PRODICAL3NY WROTE ABOVE::::::

So in Christ a woman should desire to be ruled over.
But rather we submit to eachother, and this submision means to allow the other person to care for you, looking out for eachothers needs,
and the man must in many cases put the womans needs before his own.
Thats how we submit to you
and the woman submits by allowing the man to care for her.
Its not as easy as it sounds,
its not easy putting someelse first, and trusting them to put you first.When God made eve, her made her to be a help to him, to be equal to him,
adam said flesh of my flesh THANK YOU @PRODICAL3NY FOR THE TRUTH ON SUBMISSION.

SUBMISSION TO A MAN..YES I WANT THIS THIS WAY BECAUSE TO THE RIGHT MAN..ITS SO HEALTHY AND SAME FOR MEN SUBMITTING TO US IN THIS SENSE. SUBMISSION IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM IS WRONG OR BAD BECAUSE ITS INCLUSIVE TO BOTH MAN AND WOMAN.

A MAN IS A BEAUTIFUL THING WHEN HE TAKES HIS ROLE TOWARDS HIMSELF AND HIS WOMEN SERIOUSLY AND THATS WHEN A WOMAN WILL NEVER WANT TO LEAVE YOUR SIDE, CARE FOR YOU THE WAY YOU DESERVE.AND SO IS A WOMAN WHEN SHE DOES SO.

:)
sorry so long yall.

Mo’nique agrees with the Bible stance. What do you liberal Democrats zombies think about that?

Ephesians
Chapter 5:

5:22 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, and Christ also is the head of the assembly, being himself the savior of the body.

5:24 But as the assembly is subject to Christ, so let the wives also be to their own husbands in everything.

5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the assembly, and gave himself up for it;

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To: JAZZY CREATIONS: Hmmm…Somebody sounds Angry…Who could it Be…? Why, it Jazzy Creations, the spokesman for the entire Black Planet community…Here’s a newsflash Jazzy…Its only a “low blow” if the person you are talking to CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINION! (LOL) AND YOU SHOULD KNOW BY NOW THAT I DONT! Nor am I interested in “checking your postings from the Very Beginning…but you sure seem desperate to Prove some Unknown, Obscure point to Me…SO LET ME MAKE MY POSITION CRYSTALCLEAR TO YOU, ONE LAST TIME…NEXT!! NEXT IN LINE, PLEASE…!!! Begone, Fly…Where’s my Fly Swatter? (LOL) Sounds like you’re getting a bit hot under the collar, Spokesman…

Ohhh…Boo-hoo…Spokesman Jazzy is getting hot under the collar…Too bad, so sad…NEXT!! NEXT IN LINE, FOR GOODNESS SAKES! FOR THE LOVE OF HUMANITY!! NEXT IN LINE, PLEASE!! (LOL)

Hmmm…Spokesman Jazzy thinks he’s “exposing” Me…(LOL)…How do you “expose” someone who has already exposed their own Life in print? (LOL) Oh, dear…I feel so Sad…Jazzy is about to kick Me out of the Black Planet community! You Go, Spokesman…Waste all the hot air You want to, baby…Go right ahead…Somebody get him a cold glass of Water…(LOL)

As for me, If he is not my husband then I will not be submissive unto him.

Courtney R..great post. Thanks for understanding and appreciating what’s really happening here.

Crystalclear – Its become obvious that you have nothing more to bring to this table so I will leave you alone. Best of luck to your book that you said earlier wasnt complete or had no publisher (not surprised there) but your life story is already in print. Let me know where my bitterness kicks in here. But its been great posting with you. I think most here get the picture and yes it’s CRYSTALCLEAR. Peace.

Women who are not open to submitting know exactly where its coming from. We like being adults and feel no need to be less than that in a relationship. At least you realize that calling someone defensive for expecting equal treatment IS a means to demean the efforts of what one is trying to achieve. Interesting that you somehow manage to see it with black males and white America, but not with men and women.

Do you submit to white men to get your equity? Why would you think that women here or anywhere else would need to submit or do anything to get something that is ours by virtue of being human beings? Women aren’t trying to be your equal…we don’t need to “try”…we were BORN your equal. And I don’t see anyone here asking men to submit. I made a comment in jest, but submission is for subordinates; I only date and love men who are equal adults.

As for blaming you all – I have no idea what you are talking about. So, I’m not ignoring it; I’m going on record as it having nothing to do with me.

As for the men they choose, IMO, it has nothing to do with a woman’s choice to submit. I know some great men and we are still just equals. In my relationship we are two full grown adults who come together as a couple…of full grown adults. There will never come a time when I feel that I am eventually “sub” anything to him or anyone else I date.

As for the women who prefer or need to submit…I respect their choices. It doesn’t affect me. But, I just wonder why they need to try to “encourage” or push it onto another woman who has made her own choice. Or why if a woman comes in to say “not for me” that the men and the women who are submissive feel the need to come in and tell us that we must not understand the reality of submission. As if to say that if we understood, we would see it their way. There is a perfectly good chance that we ALL understand and we simply disagree. As for the men (and its all of you) who feel that submission works and women should try it (coincidence?), I say stick with submissive women and don’t bother trying to change a woman with her own mind who got the information and opted out.

Honestly, that is what I’ve been thinking about in this whole discussion. If you want a submissive woman, just date them. Why try to convince other women to do something that won’t work for them?

Califemme,

Awww….it so sweet that it killed you? May I ask you something? Why are you speaking strange? Can you educate yourself more without judging somebody else?

P.S. If it is not too much, pls go into bathroom and look in a mirror glancing at yourself. Then ask yourself a question “Do I really have a problem in the past or today?” “Was I wrong for taking a blame on somebody else?”

Bless you!

Nev1a,

I don’t care what you think about me as christain. I am already happy that I am saved by Grace, a lot people are always making opions on what christians. But you know what? Why should I care? I feel like everything is lifted up, I can’t even see what you are saying. I hoping in future you knowing what you saying.

Bless

It is a problem today , most people harash into marriage without knowing the true meaning of it. “of course I do know what true love is” they would say. Do they truly know marriage that comes along with bills, struggling , foods, agruement, wheter let guest stay at their house or not, etc? If not then they should not get married because marriage is promised to God that they shall stay together forever. Marriage is supposed be taken serious, but some people marry for sex, money, to just get out town, move out home, variety reasons. Those are not good reason. It need be deeper true love. Needless to say, most ppl have the wrong idea thinking marriage only mean granting more time in bedroom? It means more than that, spending more passionate time in submitting, communicating, etc. If we don’t submit then how will husband provides home, money, etc? We marry, he is supposed to be a leader! We get our turns day to day. We are help mates, love mates, pray mate in asking making marriage working, etc.

@ nunyabidniz.WHO SAID…

I respect their choices. It doesn’t affect me. But, I just wonder why they need to try to “encourage” or push it onto another woman who has made her own choice. Or why if a woman comes in to say “not for me” that the men and the women who are submissive feel the need to come in and tell us that we must not understand the reality of submission. As if to say that if we understood, we would see it their way. There is a perfectly good chance that we ALL understand and we simply disagree.

I agree with what you said that we may perfectly understand about the meaning of submission but we may also simply disagree.

I can agree with that.It may not be for everyone if they truly understand what the meaning submission really means.It may not be and thats perfectly ok.we all have to make our own decisions on how we want to live our lives for ourselves and what we choose to put faith and belief in.Some women tend to put faith and belief in the values that they saw growing up and the values of fairness that were taught between the sexes.

So naturally,when you have a good thing,or experience good things that are peaceful and enlightening,you tend to want to share that joy and peace to others.Its just like advice.Some can choose to examine it,try it, and it may not work for them ,so it does.So everyone has the choice to take it or leave it.

Not everyone believes in a higher power..who am i to say to them that they are wrong.thats what they believe.we will all truly find out though when our journey in the physical ends.I pray that its not for a very long time for me and all of you as well.

Ultimately ,it comes down to whats right for each of us.But their is something to say about the high divorce rate,why many arent marrying and this over creation of to much independence.for me ,i dont believe being overly independent in a relationship when it comes to co existing under one roof can work.it has to be a team for the survival of the tribe.your family.sure when i drive to work im being independent,workout im being independent,taking some peaceful me time,thats being independent to a certain extent and anything else that one can do by themselves or have to do.

But to try to run a household with a spouse and children under one roof and have independent thouhghts that can hurt your household,whether its spending to much money,cheating,and not taking care of your fatherly and motherly duties as well as your husbandly and wife duties, BEING INDEPENDENT IN THIS SENSE CAN NOT WORK for the survival of your FAMILY BEING INTAKED AND HOUSEHOLD.EVERYTHING ABOUT YOUR THINKING CANNOT BE A INDEPENDENT THOUGHT.YOU HAVE OTHERS TO CONSIDER.

To :JAZZY CREATIONS: (YAAAWWWNNNNN) My manuscript has not yet been published, as I am finishing my final edit…But as I said, it is in print…I printed up the first copy myself on my Printer here at home, for editing purposes and simply to see it in Print for myself…Too bad you’re wasting your Time trying to dig at Me…you just dont get that I really dont care! STILL CANT STOP MY FLOW…NEXT!! NEXT IN LINE!! Damn, you are a hard fly to get rid of…Need a can of bug spray for You! (LOL) Oh boy…guess he’ll need another cup of water soon! Cool Down, Spokesman! Take a Deep Breath…Now, step away from the computer slowly…(LOL)

@crysalclearNY Still interested in hearing your answer to my last post to you

Hmmm…Epidemy24, I answered your questions already TWICE today…once in general, and once specifically geared towards my own personal experience. However, I do have a life to lead, and children to put to Bed…So, Catch You tomorrow if you wish…and if there was another question that I missed, sorry about that, but we will have to pick this up another day…cause Duty calls! Since I am the only parent in this household, I’m sure you can understand that…If not, hey, I dont want to be rude, but…So Be It! Peace.

Where are the good black women?

Damn they so rare.

I have to ask a sista here.
Are White Women more submissive than Black Women?

@ Sistas again,

why do you feel, White Woman can find Strong Minded Black Men, but a Black Woman cant?

What you think makes a White Woman more attractive to a Black Man than a Black Woman?

What are the differences between a White Woman and a Black Woman?

@ CourtneyR…agreed that its just like advice, but like advice…everyone isn’t interested in unsolicited advise. IMO, advice usually comes from folks who feel they know what’s best for others. Now in personal or family situations, that could be true. But with other grown folks, not so much. The folks who are pushing this do seem to think that those who are not open to submission either didn’t grow up witnessing good marriages or love or don’t believe in a higher power. Not saying you think this, but you mentioned it, so I’m addressing it. I just wonder why folks don’t just see that its a different choice. Nothing more nothing less. Just as there are women who are not open to submitting, there are men who don’t need and some who don’t even want it. Trust me…I know personally. And I saw it growing up. Submission is just a choice. It works for some and hurts others. Like many other choices that humans make.

Thanks for the respect. Stay blessed.

ALLOW ME TO BRING THIS DOWN ….IM WELL PAST TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS ANYWAY…@GODSPRINCEZZ, now u want to come on here and start typing “PARTIALLY” correct…which u probably had to copy and past from the rest of our posts here….I KEEP TELLING u i have no problem with u as a christian…i am 2, difference is im not gonna act like im perfect AND act like i cant be touched or bothered by the bs in the world because i am…AND I STILL HAVE A waaay TO GO “GETTIN even CLOSER TO GOD AND ALL”, BUT U ARE THE KIND WHO BELIEVES U R NO LONGER A SINNER BECAUSE YOU’VE BEEN SAVED….MA’AM PLEASE OKAY….AND YEA U MAY HAVE BEEN SAVED BY GRACE….BUT PLEASE GET SAVED BY “HOOKED ON PHONICS”….I WILL PRAY FOR THAT…BECAUSE U CANT BE OUT HERE REPRESENTING “US” WITH THIS HORRID TYPING..because i believe u speak THE EXACT WAY THAT U TYPE….LMFAOooooo IM -OUT- BLESS U ALL

Why do people keep acting like female submission is a natural, biological act that a social movement has destroyed (it was a movement for equality btw, but I guess if its not about equality for black men it doesn’t count)? As if thats even possible.

Women are only as ‘submissive’ (or at least in the way that most men in this topic seem to want) as society forces them to be by limiting their rights. Present any woman OR man with freedom and independence or limited rights and dependence, they will choose independence every time. THAT is the natural, biological human action. So I have no idea why people are acting so shocked and so indignant that most free women aren’t jumping up at the opportunity to be a 2nd class citizen in their own home (which by the way is the way men here seem to want it but NOT the way God intended). Its kind of obvious if you know anything about human nature that it would be that way.

Submission of wife to husband is an act commanded by God. Women who do not adhere to that are defying God and its as simple as that. Now that being said, submission is also demanded of husband to wife. Men hate to talk about it but, yes, it is. Its a common commandment that men want to leave out. Your role in the house is to do for your wife as Christ did for the Church. It seems that men do not understand the overwhelming responsibility that is or that mimicking what Christ is to the Church is the greatest act of submission there is. Jesus never once came amongst people, not even children, and beat his chest saying bow before me for I am more important than you. Jesus never once had malice or bad intentions in his heart for his followers to make them hesitate taking his lead. He never ABANDONED them (or in man’s case, his children), he never FORSAKE them (cheated), he never LIED to them, he never put himself or his needs over others. Men, if you want to be leaders, actually lead by example and begin to follow the word FIRST instead of putting it off on women asking her to ‘let you’ do this or that. (and the same for women)

If we are to point out the lack of submission in women, we should do the same for men. After all, as the head, more is required of you. But honestly, it seems like a lot of men want the benefits and the bragging rights of being the leader and the head, and none of the responsibility. It would make it a lot easier for both men and women in marriage if they focused more on helping, loving, and sacrificing for each other than they did making sure this or that role is filled, and I think that’s really the blueprint the Word is laying out and not some master/slave type of relationship.

@Tremayne, FIRST how about saying SOME men(or is it already for you normal thing that blk men loves white women?)cause we still have brothers who loves us!Thank u!

2nd…how about you answer your questions urself?
cause u must have a reason to ask that,dont u think so?
I’m sure u date white women and you think your questions are going to affect us?well, guess what?it doesnt…because white women dont run into blk men arms its the blk men who runs into white women arms and turns their backs to the women of their own race!now ur question should be vice versa dont u think so?!smh…

and why are you out of topic?why u(white meat lovers) always have the need to start something against blk women? this article got nothing to do RACE?Mo’nique is just giving an adivice to her sisters and thats it!some are going to like it and some wont..so where does ur race card *ish coming from???!!SMH

@nunyabidniz.. well I cant even argue with that .that is your belief,I respect that. :) My aim is to never try to offend anyone at all.Just showing a different way of things like you said.In the end ,we can agree to disagree.I have friends that dont see some things about life as I do and vice versa.Doesnt make me like them any less.

I can only like everyone else, speak on my experiences in life which makes me compelled at times to share that with others.Not tryin to tell grown people what to do but to maybe give people a glimpse of a different experience and share.And your right,it doesnt mean that if you grew up without watching submission in the true sense of the word stated by the scripture that those parents didnt have a happy home life and create a happy experience for their children.Not at all.But something is wrong with this humongous divide between the sexes.And no I dont have all the right answers but it never hurt anyone to share something that worked with someone else especially if it was peaceful.Their is a serious disconnect between alot of men and women today and I often wonder is it because as a society as a whole,have we gotten away from the discipline that was layed out before us to help keep things in perspective? who knows,at the end of the day,we are all fighting to find that right answer in whatever we put our faith in.

BUt I have to say like SOULFLOW3R SAID ABOVE, SUBMISSION IS A TWO WAY STREET.the correct definition of this word as implied by the BIBLE.

And I think I said this just like she said that,MOST OF THE TIME,ALOT OF MEN TEND TO LEAVE OUT THE ENTIRE MEANING OF A MANS ROLE that MEN ARE TO BE SUBMISSIVE AS WELL TO THEIR WIVES THROUGH CHRIST.THIS IS JUST THE TRUTH IF YOU BELIEVE IN IT.AND ITS ALWAYS SAID,WHEN SOMEONE LEAVES OUT THE ENTIRE MEANING OF SOMETHING THAT THEY SAY ,ITS BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO DECEIVE.WHY SO MANY MEN WANT TO DECEIVE WOMEN IS BEYOND ME.ITS NOT RIGHT TO DO THAT…

ITS WHY I SAID THAT when people pick apart the scriptures and only say that WOMEN ARE TO BE SUBMISSIVE TO MEN AND DO WHAT WE SAY TYPE OF MEANING ,THAT IS NOT HOW SUBMISSIVE IS ACTUALLY MEANT IN THE BIBLE AT ALL.THE SUBMISSION IS THE BIBLE ISNT HURTFUL TOWARDS WOMEN AT ALL.ITS TWISTED BY ALOT OF MEN TO CONTROL AND RULE OVER WOMEN WHEN THATS NOT WHAT THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURE SAYS AT ALL.

SUBMISSION IS A TWO WAY STREET,EQUAL IN ITS WAY OF ORDER BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN.

If I sounded as if I was trying to convert any woman on here who doesnt necessarily agree with submission in any form,I apologize,that wasnt my intent to anyone who doesnt share the same view.Just trying to share an experience that was quit peaceful witnessing with my own eyes. Its all good.Blessings to you as well. :)

I’m not understanding why women here keep saying we dont want submission in the correct meaning of the word. I’m all for it but the women only see this for their benefit. If we’re submitting as equals why are you complaining of a shortage of good men? If the relationship doesnt work out, take responsibility for actions in why it didnt work out. Dont just take the “he was a player” route. Poor excuse. Most of you know a man’s flaws going in the door..just as he may know yours. The difference is you expect to correct them and when you cant you act as if you never knew they existed. Then you look for reasons to justify why it didnt work out and you distance yourself from the blame. Just read the many pages women have on BPs website. They all claim to be great catches..looking for their KING..but strangely they have never been caught or couldnt keep a man long enough. Ladies step up to the plate and keep it real. If you cant play your part in the submission then dont complain when things dont work out for you.
@crystalclear – again you are the perfect example of what i’m talking about. For those of you just getting here. Go back and read. It’s really quite interesting. Peace.

Submission, like respect, cannot be demanded, but yet when deserved, it is freely given. Give her a reason to submit by loving her beyond your own selfishness. Love her with a might and force equal to your own need to feel whole, loved, honored and cherished. Love her with a passion that extends beyond the desire to be the “man”. Be The Man, be The One, the One with whom she is free to be all the God created her to be. When you take up the mantle of leader, of Man, then in my humble opinion, what she offers in love is given freely. First, submit, as a Man to God. When she knows that you have done that, she will follow you wherever you may lead. Why? Because you will always consider if that path is the best for both.

It has taken me years and tears to learn this; love is not a feeling. Submission is not an “action”. It is a shared and mutual expression of love for another in a effort to support one another on the journey to becoming all that God has created each to be.

Just my humble opinion.

@crystalclearNy I understand you have a life as do we all. I was saying that because you were clearly still responding to posts and avoiding mine. Let me refresh you and bring the others up to speed. I asked what should be your ideal man’s view towards this issue of submission. You said that a man should believe in submitting to his wife sometimes and a wife submiting to her husband sometimes. I then asked, “Who decides on what issue who is going to submit or not”? You said it’s between the couple(very flawed because what if on a particular issue he believes she should submit and vice versa…then we are back to square one).

But for the sake of discussion, my next question was have you ever heard of a practical appliacation of this in a relationship or was this simply a theory you had? You then basically said that you had been in good relationships with guys in which you’ll applied this system. However,(scratching my head) you said that your husband did not believe in this. Once again my question is, “If you had relationships with guys in which your “system of submission” worked, then why would you bypass these guys to marry a man that didn’t believe in this system?”

Hey…does anyone know what happened to “watchmesucceed”??? I was waiting for a response from him, regarding my response to his posts….

Neva1betta, why did you keep callin’ me Ma’am. you must be confused and think I am yo mama but I aint! Quit calling me dat! And oh yea pls go ahead and pray on that. I ain’t gotta start talking about to typo like you did to me, because I am gotta do something mature in Lord’s love by forgiving you. You need it… I don’t care if you tease or call me names after that. You shall see that Holy Spirit is powerful and you are not supposed to touch God’s child.

That is all I can say for now, Forgive and Bless on your journey

OK OK OK INTELLECTUAL

EVERY MAN AND WOMAN IN THIS DICUSSION ARE PRETENDING TO BE AN MENTAL AND INTELLECTUAL GIANT WHEN IN ALL REALITY THE DYNAMICS OF THIS TOPIC ARE PURE AND SIMPLE.

IT’S OK TO WALK SIDE BY SIDE IN TIMES OF PEACE AND TRIANQUILITY YET WHEN LIFE SENDS US A SINCERE CURVE BALL AND LEADERSHIP IS NOT PRE-ESTABLISHED IN A RELATIONSHIP, IT IS GAURANTEE, THAT DIRECTION WILL BE HOTLY DEBATED. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU OR IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN AT A BASEBALL GAME.

WHEN A PITCH IS TRAVELING AT 87 TO 110 MILES AND HOUR THERE IS NO TIME FOR DEBATE

THIS IS NOT JUST A DISCUSSION. THIS IS A DYNAMIC WITH IN THE BLACK FAMILY WORLD WIDE THAT HAS KEPT US OUT THE GAME OF LEADERSHIP AND SOVEREINTY

EACH PARTICIPENT IN THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW, IS A MISCHEVIOUS AGENT OF THEIR OWN PAIN.

THOUGH I HAVE ATTEMPTED SEVERAL TIMES TO INTRODUCE LOVE, TRUTH, PEACE, FREEDOM, AND JUSTICE INTO THE EQUATION, NONE WILL HAVE IT.

NO REFRENCE TO PEACE HAS BEEN SUBMIITTED, NO LEAF EXTENED, NO WALL NEGATED.

MAN HAS MADE HIS MARK

WOMAN HATH BUILDED HER WALL

THE ENERGY TO BE RIGHT HAS DRIVEN US ALL APART

IN CHICAGO A FEW MONTHS AGO A POLICE OFFICER WAS KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY. IN ALL REALITY HE DIED IN THE LINE OF DUTY.

HE GOT HIT BY A TRAIN OBSERVING A DRUG TRANSACTION WHILE POSTED ON A TRAIN RAIL.

I WOULD SUGGEST, THAT WHILE WE ARE ALL IN THIS HUDDLE PONTIFICATING EACH GENDERS SINS, THAT WE LOOK PAST EACH OTHERS SHOULDER AND BARE WITNESS TO WHAT IS COMING

IT IS EASY TO START A FIGHT, BUT NOBODY KNOWS WHERE IT IS GOING TO END.

NEWS AT 11

I HAVE A QUESTION or 2 or 3: I CHALLENGE ANY WOMAN TO ANSWER

WHY SHOULD THE WOMAN GUIDE “THE SHIP”?

WHY WOULD A WOMAN BE WITH ANY MAN SHE NEEDS TO GUIDE?

WHY WOULD ANYONE FEEL IT NESCESSARRY FOR TWO PEOPLE TO GUIDE AND STEER ONE SHIP?

FOREVER THY GUIDE, DEIFIC MIRROR
KEEPER OF THE FLAME and ETERNAL BONDSMAN

Prince Nova

SEE, THIS IS WHY U CANT RESPECT SOME PPL…WELL FAKEPRINCESS, I DIDNT THINK “B***H” WAS APPROPRIATE *sHRUGS*, theres a difference between mama and MA’AM LOL…you cant read either???? i dont call it teasing, just simply bringing your “TARDism” to your attention…clearly you’re toooooo use to it…”You shall see that Holy Spirit is powerful and you are not supposed to touch God’s child.” GIVE IT UP WILL YA, B4 u actually start believing your own BULL*….I SEE YOU..KEEP USING “GOD” AS YOU RESPOND BACK TO LMAO…..AWWW HONEY : ) GOD BLESS U….

Its simple folks why most sisters are not submitting to the will of God first and foremost and then to their Man. We are collectively led astray by what we conceive to be the truth in society as a whole. Since the Blackman lost his MOJO way back in time and his Phallic symbol which emotes strength and beauty in the State. I must admit as a race we are left mostly without Cojones to stand and demand what we know is our right to be leaders in our community and Nation. At this juncture in time we are told that our Phallic symbols of strength and varility has beeen draggged to the ground. And if I must our Women mostly is into the White man Phallic as the one she must submit too, since its the one that to most women represent the moral and ethical strength that must be submitted too. The Black Man struggle is not with the Black Woman for power and authority, its rather with the truth of who and what we are a fallen people who is still a Rome of the pleasures and things of this world that in the end is all Vanity.

What we need is Love of Self and the Submitting to the written will of God as it pertains to the wholeness of the Family and the Community. How can we have submission when we are all caught up in all these lies and iniquity that leads us further from the truth of Who We Are.

TO: Epidemy24…Oh, so that was a follow up question…I missed that one. Anyway…Please do tell me in what posting I ever said that I “bypassed these guys to marry a man that didnt believe in the system”…In your quest to be Right, you are now distorting my words. Let me clarify, and then I am done with You, cause I dont have time to create rebuttals for your every question. I didnt “bypass” anyone…My previous relationships prior to my husband ended on their own steam, and I am not the type of woman to desperately try to hold on to any Man, despite the fact that we had no communication or “submission” problems…Furthermore, I had no children with them, and the one that I did eventually have my daughter with cheated on me at the end of our relationship, so why would I want him back? Why play “desperate Housewife”, trying to hold on…I dont believe in that, unless you are married and have kids!

2)I never tried to “avoid your post”…In fact, I responded to you several times, and tried to end the discussion when I had work to do, cordially…So what are you talking about? Your opinion is Yours, mine is Mines…and in then end, nothing is truly being changed here, in this forum, in anyone’s lives. this is simple debating…Nothing to “run/hide/&avoid”…Please, dont go there. I avoid Guns, not debates! (LOL) I simply see no reason to continue responding if I am done with it…Thats my choice, not Yours…I dont jump when people say “How high”…

3)…My husband and I made certain provisions that worked for us, with regards to your question about did it work for Us…But sumbission ws not our problem, his drug usage and lack of truthful communication was!…Example: I was submissive to my husband until I saw that he had CHANGED, and was no longer the same person that I had married…however, that occurred deep into the relationship (we were together for over 12 years…things started to go bad around year 9 or 10). My husband was submissive to me in certain areas of Life(such as making decisions regarding child care, he deferred to me, because I had somewhat more experience, or in the kitchen, becasue he couldnt cook to save his Life!) That part did work fine for Us! When my husband became selfish, deceitful, and began disappearing to use drugs, I changed…and became far less submissive, and far more intolerant of continuing on in that manner. I set up marital counselling, tried to get him to go get help for his drug problem, etc…BUT AGAIN, PEOPLE DO CHANGE, AND NOT ALL ARE WILLING TO MAKE THE NECESSARY EFFORT TO REGAIN WHAT THEY ONCE WERE, PERIOD. in fact I never said that my husband “did not believe in this” as you stated, I said that because he was notoriously tight lipped and refused to communicate that it did not work out well. You try making anything work with a person who SHUTS THEMSELVES DOWN, AND TURNS TO DRUGS…Until the drug problem is taken care of, nothing on Earth will work right. Perhaps you dont know anything about having a partner who changes over time, or uses drugs. But that is my personal experience, and that is what happened. You seem to mean well, but somehow you keep adding in words that I have not said at all. Perhaps next time, instead of paraphrasing my words, quote them exactly..or, simply accept that you cannot force everyone to agree with Your position…BTW, have you ever dealt personally with a drug addict? Cause it is a lot less simplistic than what you are trying so hard to portray…and for the record, I still pray that he transforms his Life to become a good father again, as he once was…but I’m sure you’ll find some other way to twist my words to fit your “submission” theory…Good luck to you anyway!

P.S. At least you had two parents in your home to teach you most of everything you needed to know before you grew up! Most people of color (including Me) didnt have that. Peace. Catch you on another day, another time, and another debate, cause Life goes On…no matter What! (LOL) Peace.

To : Yazzie0913…I know! Maybe Watch Me Succeed hasnt been on the site lately…Life does intervene sometimes…or maybe he just didnt want to respond, cause it was getting a bit hot for him…Did you see the postings I left for him on the “sperm donor” topic? I’m still waiting for a response to those postings too…Go back in the archives and check it out though, when you get a chance! Maybe that’s what made him decide to take a break…(LOL) I’m not surprised he hasnt responded to your postings, or Mine…Anyway, have a good One! It’s hot out here in NYC…I’m going to cool off for a while…Peace.

The issue isn’t whether men are worthy or not of being submitted to. If a man isn’t worthy of being submitted to, then the woman shouldn’t be with him in the first place.

The thing I hate about articles like this, is that they take the responsibility out of the woman’s hands. Besides, there are women that would refuse to submit to a man, even if he was the greatest man on earth, since Buddha.

Not to mention, that word “submit” has always left a sour taste in my mouth, even as a man. Men and women should learn to be submissive to each other, no one more so than the other.

@yazzie0913
I think he finished debating with califemme, and he didn’t see any other reason to stay so he left.

@crystalclearNY

I’m not trying to twist your words and I don’t have to quote you to express the general feeling that you convey but since you want me to
I asked what should be your ideal man’s view be towards submission?

You responded

crystalclearNY: My ideal Man’s stand on submission should be that with regards to marriage/or a serious relationship, Submission should Go Both Ways…the Wife should submit to her Husband’s will at times, and the Husband should submit to his Wife’s will at times

I then said “I’m assumnig that all you have is theory. Has this ever worked in your relationships? Have you ever seen practical applications of your example in any relationship?”

Your response
To :Epidemi24…Yes, this has worked in past relationships, for Me…Not so much with my husband, who was notoriously tight-lipped about his feelings…and you see where that ended!

Therfore you are saying that this system has worked for you in past relationships but not so much with your husband. Does this not mean that it worked better with other guys than with your husband? Cause that’s what i got out of it. My question was simply “Why didn’t you choose one of the other guys over your husband”? Oh but you say that this dual submission system worked fine with your husband until year 9 or 10. Great Point! So that negates my question because it did work fine for you and your husband until he became selfish, deceitful and began his drug use. But wait… you say “not so much with my husband” but it worked for 9 or 10 years so how is that not so much? I’m confused!?….Okay so it worked with the other guys until…”insert something they did wrong here”…. Did they become selfish? Could it be your husband and the other guys faded away because they never liked this system and it ran its course with them. Oh I know there is “Not a Possibility of That”. I’m sure many older whites in the south will say that the Jim Crow laws and system worked just fine until of course those blacks changed and got militant. Yeah it worked for them, but black people, even in abiding by the system, never agreed with it anyway.

You Don’t jump when people say how high? First off i think you meant you don’t say “how high when people say jump.” And to answer that, thats your problem. You have a defensive nature as if somebodys trying to run you. I have no vested interest in controlling you! I din’t demand that you answer my question, but it is weird to me that you would continue to respond to Jazzy Creations that you said is direspectful. I think many of his comments were on point but if YOU feel they are disrespectful why would you continue to engage in discussion with him after several posts of you claiming you are through with it and say you were through with me who you haven’t accused of being direspectful. But I get it. Thats what women like yourself enjoy:drama. It excites you to strike back and forth with a man trying to jab the hardest.WINNER! Then you can’t understand why you choose men with so much drama.

I could care less because you are grown and you can do whatever you like and I’m one man that you don’t have to worry about trying to control you. This post needs no response I’m just pointing out your flawed reasoning and will continue to point it out. Any rational person could see that im pointing out loophole after loophole in your debate but I don’t need you to agree, and am not foolish enough to think you would.

And I have bene around people on crack. My grandma stayed across the street from a family full of them. I pray for your husband but maybe it is CRACK that you should be more angry at than submission issues because your way “worked” for 9 years.

Epidemy24…I DEFER TO YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE YOUR OWN OPINION…But I am not “angry” as you put it, about “submissiveness”…Simply debating with others and sharing my viewpoint on it. You may be Angry about this topic, I am NOT. What makes me angry, if you want to know, IS SEEING CHILDREN GETTING HURT BY BEING LEFT BEHIND OR IGNORED OR FORCED TO RAISE THEMSELVES…but that is a topic for another Day. You seem hell bent upon forcing your viewpoint down my throat…DONT WASTE YOUR TIME ANY FURTHER, YOU ARE SERIOUSLY OVERTHINKING, AND DETERMINED TO OPPOSE MY VIEWPOINT…AND THAT IS YOUR RIGHT AS A HUMAN BEING, DO SO AS MUCH AS YOU CHOOSE…DOESNT BOTHER ME OR CHANGE MY OPINION ONE BIT…Perhaps you can get the Hi Five you are seeking from JAZZY CREATIONS OR WATCH ME SUCCEED, I’m sure they will readily agree with You. (LOL) If you want to debate “submission” (which seems to be a HUGE priority with You) until the Cows come home, please do so…I NOTICE EACH POSTING OF YOURS IS GETTING LONGER…AND LONGER…AND LONGER…THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE FOR YOU…NOT Me. Catch you later…Peace or Good Luck or Good Day or Happy Trails or NEXT IN LINE! Take your pick! I’m done with this one, catch you on the Next Topic…Now twist that anyway You See Fit! Have a good One! (LOL)

TremayneDC, “I have to ask a sista here.
Are White Women more submissive than Black Women?

No, white women are WEAKER than black women.

@ Sistas again,

why do you feel, White Woman can find Strong Minded Black Men, but a Black Woman cant?

As a black woman, I do not feel that way…

What you think makes a White Woman more attractive to a Black Man than a Black Woman?

Once again, I do not feel that way…But I would say, THE MEDIA makes whites more attractive than blacks…

What are the differences between a White Woman and a Black Woman?

Too many to list here..But most important would be the FACT that black women are the mothers of all civilization, the original beings on this earth….Don’t know what the hell white women are…

P.S. I could take the time to rebut your claim regarding “loophole after loophole” that You See In Your Mind…BUT I AM NOT INTERESTED IN CONTINUING, NOR AM I INTERESTED IN BEATING YOU INTO SUBMISSION WITH POINT AFTER POINT AFTER POINT ON AN ISSUE THAT IS FAR MORE SIGNIFICANT FOR YOU THAN IT IS ME! Why should I continue on, just because YOU WANT ANSWERS SPECIFICALLY FROM ME…You already know my response to that…(LOL)…IT’S OVER FOR ME, NOT BECAUSE IM AVOIDING YOU…BUT BECAUSE THIS TOPIC HAS PRETTY MUCH BEEN COVERED BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS, EIGHTEEN PAGES DEEP, IN FACT! IT’S PRETTY MUCH DONE, OTHER THAN FOR YOU (LOL)…LET IT GO, OR DEBATE TILL YOU DROP WITH SOMEONE ELSE WHO CARES ABOUT IT AS MUCH AS YOU DO! SIMPLE! Catch you on the Next One, but Im not responding to a fifty paragraph dissertation! NEXT! NEXT IN LINE!!

Paneiro1, Yeah I bet he was finished debating…

Every time he posted something, one of the sisters swung the gauntlet at him, smashed on that BS he spewed, and pointed out effortlessly, the bitter black male that he is….

You have to respect a person who bows out gracefully in defeat…

To: Epidemy24…Meant to say, NINETEEN PAGES DEEP…Enough is enough! Let it Go, Man…Or get counselling for it! (LOL) Peace!

GodPrincezz81, HOTDAMN girl stop posting!!!

Sheesh! How can you talk ish at people and can’t spell and you don’t make the least bit of sense?!?!

@epidemy24- trust me you’ve made your point. it’s CRYSTALCLEAR where the problem lies. Let folks just read back from page one. It’s all here for those who dont understand.

I must say this has been one of the more entertaining subjects. I hope some of you have come away more enlightened by all this. I know I have. Peace.

@TremayneDC…if you feel that white women are better, more submissive and do what you need then move on. Personally, I feel males like you find the attraction in white women and non black women to be an imagined leverage over Black women. The best thing you see in them is that you THINK bringing them up will encourage Black women to scurry about and change their ways in order to try to keep you from going to a white/non black woman and losing you.

We are talking about women submitting and since its BP, we are talking about BLACK love and relationships. What would be your motivation to bring up the comparison of white/non black women? Nothing. Its just another opportunity for your type to try to bring up the issue in the hopes that you can get maybe one black woman to consider you a possible loss.

This, Dear, is not your moment. I am hoping that the sistas see through you and cease to give you any energy about white women or non black women. This is about OUR relationships and how we feel, work with or reject submission within the relationship. If you feel your only option to find a woman who will submit and be better for you is to go get a white/non black woman…then stop stalling hoping someone begs you to stay and just go. Let us resume our discussion on actual Black love and relationships. This for folks who believe it Black families.

LOL@Califemme23 – i was waiting for you to come back at her. For a second i thought you were gonna just let it roll. Thx for not letting me down.. :) Peace!

JazzyCreations…I have learned much from reading this. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that so many black males were this desperate to have authority over women as if we were children. It reall speaks volumes that you all need women to be less, so you can feel like more.

Not being snide; just being honest. Its unattractive.

@NunyaDidNess:

Think about it: was the 1950′s really that bad for black women in their relationships? Really? Having a strong man who loved you for life was a bad thing, comparable to whites wanting to keep blacks from having civil rights?

I guess what black women have going on now is MUCH better, huh? I wonder if our great grandmothers would feel the same way, if they could see what we have devolved into…smh

Prince Nova, I’ll take a stab at answering your questions.

Why should a woman steer the ship?: I wouldn’t say, a woman “SHOULD” steer the ship, but I don’t see why the man “SHOULD” either. When you say the world “should” there is an automatic question, “Why?” You shouldn’t kill someone, because that is not for the public good. If everyone was allowed to murder, we would probably all die. Therefore, you SHOULD not kill people. The stance that a man SHOULD steer the ship assumes that all men are born to be the leaders (an assumption highly unlikely), and women are only born to play second fiddle at best. That would be great, if all women were made in the same mold, and all men were made in the same mold. But we aren’t. We’re all made individually with strengths and weaknesses. A good relationship will play on the strengths of each person to make up for the weaknesses of the other.

To illustrate my point, let’s say, a woman is a brain, meant to think, make decisions, etc. Yeah, she does all that, but she’s really fragile, soft, and delicate. She meets a man who is a skull, a hard strong skull, who is very good at protecting the brain, keeping everything in place to make sure the brain can do its job, making sure that there’s a nice united front to the body and the face, etc. A match made in heaven, right? So she marries him. At what point does the skull STOP doing what he is made to do (protect, hold everything together in place, connect the head to other parts, etc.) and do the brain’s job because “a man SHOULD be the lead?” Asking the brain to submit and let the skull do the job of a brain would be absurd.

I’m partly being silly, but my point is: how is it that EVERY man is born to lead a woman, and EVERY woman is meant to be led? Woman was made to complement man. That means, a wife is not really supposed to SUBMIT (a very loaded word, particularly as relates to black history and heritage) as much as she is to use her strengths that God gave her in conjunction with her man’s strengths that God gave him to make an overall strong whole.

Why should a woman be with any man she needs to guide?: The same reason a man “should” be with a woman he needs to guide. If two people are going in the same direction, what difference does it make who leads and who follows?

Why would anyone feel it necessary for two people to guide and steer one ship?: Because guiding a ship and steering it are two different duties performed by at least two different people on the ship. Steering the ship requires a strong person, because you have to turn the heavy wheel. But the steerer goes in the direction that the person who guides the ship decides the ship ought to go. Guiding the ship in terms of deciding which way a ship should go–that job goes to someone who is strategically inclined, or an advisory group.

A man’s job in a relationship is simple. You love your wife as Christ loved the church. Christ is the bridegroom of the church. HE DIED for her. So a man’s job is to love his wife so much that if he had to, he would DIE for her. A woman’s job is to “submit” to her husband insofar as the church submits to God. As a body, the church seeks to further the kingdom of God, so then a woman should seek to further her man and her household. Neither one of these is necessarily subordinate to either.

BTW: EPIDEMY24…I told you you would get a high-five from JAZZY CREATIONS (lol)…THAT FOOL SENT ME A NASTY NOTE YESTERDAY THROUGH BP, mad as hell after we debated that I DIDNT HAVE A PIC UP FOR HIM TO MAKE RUDE COMMENTS ABOUT…And this is the Loser who is agreeing with You! (LOL) You need better Ass-Kissers than Pofessor Jazzy…he does rude, nasty sneaky s**t hiding behind Notes…but on the Boards, he pretends that he’s a gentleman! DO YOU ALSO SEND NASTY RUDE NOTES BEHIND THE SCENES? Hope Not…Or I’ll have to dispatch and ignore you just Like I did Him! I SEE HE WAS ASS KISSING YOU A MINUTE AGO…BUT SOMEHOW FORGOT TO MENTION THAT BEHIND THE SCENES FACT ABOUT HIS HIDDEN RANT…Wonder Why? DO YOU KNOW WHY HE LEFT THAT OUT IN HIS LAST POSTING TO YOU? Why do you think, hmmm…? Do tell, Professor…(LOL)

CaliFemme:

I said it once before, i’ll say it again: I refuse to tell you what you WANT to hear! You have to accept the fact that I’m the type of dude who will ALWAYS give you the honest answer, whether you can take it or not. I would hope you could respect that.

Arguing for the sake of it really isn’t my style; which is why I have no further convo for CrysalClearNY. I don’t do ignorance…

Of course I married the wrong woman; or else I’d still be married! But what trips me out is how sisters such as yourself can’t value or respect the opinion of brothers who give you honesty. If I came on here extolling the virtues of today’s American black woman, kissing asss and what not, you’d be co-signing on that bullcrap. But the fact is: our sisters today by and large are jacked way the hell up! Most of you lack any sense of loyalty to the brothers; you don’t value your own selves beyond just your bodies; you think being a black woman entitles you to some special privilege to be ignorant and disrespectful; and most of you lack the wisdom to see just what pitiable of a state you’re actually in! This doesn’t apply to all sisters; just far too many!

And because I dare speak the truth, I must be ‘angry, bitter, hurt, unable to deal with a strong sister…’ It’s the same ole same old with yall: YOU’RE INCAPABLE OF HANDLING THE TRUTH!

Now if none of this applies to YOU, don’t wear the damn shoe! But old folks used to say: a hit dog will holler…

@Watchmesucceed…Before Civil Rights, whites made sure you had a cabin to stay in as long as you worked the crops. As sharecroppers, you could feed your family regular from the owner’s store and work it off in labor. There was no worry of where the food would come from. Wouldn’t that be easier than working and worrying about the prices going up on groceries and utilities?

You went down the list of what they “supposedly” had as if that is all any woman would or SHOULD need. Women don’t share a brain, so for the women in the 1950s who wanted more than to be kept like a doll on the shelf, and wanted to participate in the world beyond being a housewife, it clearly was that bad.

Also, try thinking about THIS…the women who were “cared” for were also dependent. That means that if and/or when things get ugly, she is usually stuck. Women in the 1950s had to think twice about leaving a husband they were unhappy with, or who was abusive or unfaithful or just a miserable person because her livelihood was completely dependent on her husband. The traditional format of marriage and relationships minimized the options for women. Men COULD have their cake and eat it too, because if they chose to leave, their lives wouldn’t change. They’d just find someone else to cook clean and take the bs. A woman didn’t have that option. Why else do you think that men are so anxious to return to that format? They held all the cards.

The problems that are mentioned today generally revolve around women working, having their own and having the audacity to have expectations of men and be willing to get rid of a man who is not what they want or doing what is expected. The problem with women who don’t submit is that its just another sign that women have too many options in the eyes of some males.

And my question to you is…did you really think trying to phrase the question as “she had a man to love her” was going to work on me? Here’s a tip: Not all women work from the emotional. The day you learn that women have a brains and some can decipher which is the thinking organ and which one pumps blood through the body….that will be the day you learn something about women.

@crystalclearNY
I know you don’t have to respond to me. Then don’t?!? And alot of times that’s peoples response when they have no answer to the questions. I don’t have to stop pointing out your flawed arguments. I am not trying to pound my views on you I am simply pointing out inconsistences in every post you write. You love writing “lol” and “next” as if you are so far removed from this debate and laughing at everybody because you don’t care and im so concerned with this topic and you are not. However you clearly have way more posts on this topic than me(maybe more than anybody else)so what do you mean? So you continue to post in a forum in which you don’t care about the topic???? Let’s not forget you addresed me first and i responded. I thought thats what a debate was!?

Im not angry cause I can handle any question you have for me and I have not told a story of my life that would suggest that I have any anger on this subject. You have, so who would have more reason to be angry concerning this topic? And maybe I keep getting longer because you give me so much to point out flaws in.

Quotes like:

crystalclearNy: But I am not “angry” as you put it, about “submissiveness”…Simply debating with others and sharing my viewpoint on it.

crystalclearNY: If you want to debate “submission” (which seems to be a HUGE priority with You) until the Cows come home, please do so…I NOTICE EACH POSTING OF YOURS IS GETTING LONGER…AND LONGER…AND LONGER…THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE FOR YOU…NOT Me.

Flawed again: “DEBATE”

In one sentence you are simply “debating” and the next sentence implying that me “debating” submission(which I thought this was the grounds for this topic)is a huge issue for me. Why do you believe this? See a good point in a debate is based on supportive information. So what supportive information would lead you to think that this is more of a huge issue for me than you?
1.You have more posts than me.
2.You have addresed more people than me.
3. You have invoked your personal story into the debate and I haven’t.
4. You are writing a book that will include this topic.. i’m not

So why would you think this? Because I’m addresinng your comments? So is it more of a huge issue to you than the people whose comments you are addressing? That’s the thinking of an irrational person. Believing things in there head with no support and convincing themself of this when the actual truth does not suggest this.Simply wanting to be “right”.

I don’t need to link with jazzy or watch me. I think for myself. So “Next” me or”lol” me. Just don’t try to be flippant with me for pointing out flawed reasoning in a debate.

P.S. I don’t overthink..I think!

@ Watchmesucceed…I think our Great Grandmothers (I know my would) would be happy and proud that their daughters and granddaughters get to live the dreams that they were denied by society and men who thought the best way to give a woman a good life is to have her life revolve around him.

What we have is better. Options are always better than restrictions.

And its not ‘bowing out gracefully’ my sister: its’ refusing to engage in pointless discussions with those who are immune to understanding. If all you can do is launch personal attacks against what you ‘think’ you know about me, you’re no longer engaged in a logical debate; you’ve resorted to hyperbole and emotional rants.

If I wanna argue with emotional little girls, I got a 6 year old daughter for that.

@NunyaBidNess:

Options: do you REALLY call not being able to find a man willing to marry you an option?
Do you call 1 in 2 sisters having herpes…an option?
Do you call having children out of wedlock by the multitudes…an option?
What about:
Struggling to raise kids alone..is that a good option grandma wanted for herself and her kids?

Some options my sister! I think when considering ALL the facts, great-grandma would opt for the 50′s again…

@crystalclearNY
Why would you ask me why Jazzy sent you a nasty note? Wouldn’t it make more sense to ask him? And no I don’t send nasty notes. And I don’t think the man is kissing my ass he is simply giving me props for a valid point.

Similiar to:

crystalclearNY
Jul. 19th, 2010
at 3:49 pm
Phazex Female…Damn! You said a mouthful there, sister! I was laughing the whole way through that last posting…Tootoo funny…Tootoo sad…and tootoo True! Thanks a million for making a very valid point!

Were you kissing Phazex’s ass?

@Watchmesucceed…YES, all of those are options. They are choices. And you can’t be so slow as to think I (or any other woman) would only see THOSE as the options.

What about:
More Black women becoming entrepreneurs?
More Black women moving up in Corporate America?
More Black women college graduates?
More Black women successfully raising children as single parents?
More Black women opting to be single as opposed to taking any male just to have a male around.
More Black women are becoming homeowners as single women.

If your Grandma would opt for the 1950s that is her CHOICE/OPTION. There are more Black women who prefer the option to be self sufficient. Oh and more than half of my son’s graduationg classmates in our group have single parents and ALL of us our sending our kids to college. Maybe you need to be around fewer folks who are getting herpes and spending their time hunting for a man instead of working like a grown up, so they don’t have to struggle to feed their kids. Funny enough…I find that men have more respect for me BECAUSE I am a good Mom who handles her business. Only weak men need women to be less, so they can feel like more. Or think that all we want in life is them. Men are great, but there is more to life than you.

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YALL SHOULD GO OVER THERE NOW AND LEAVE THIS POST ALONE!!! MORE THAN 470 COMMENTS IS ENOUGH FOR THIS STORY. WHY NOT FOCUS ON THE POSITIVE TOPICS ON HB?

Hmmm…No Epidemy24…I think that you are getting bogged down in the issue…I mean, you actually asked me in a previous posting to explain why my previous realtionships prior to my marriage ended, or as you put it, You thought perhaps they ended because of my beliefs regarding “submissiveness”…Really? I didnt know you were a psychic…Or do you just play one on TV? Tell me more about my past relationships…Do you know their names? Their occupations? their Habits? Their beliefs and actions? Cause I do…and you dont, yet you make a broad, sweeping statement like that, and really expect an answer? I’ll tell you what…After you detail why each of your past relationships ended, and cross reference it with your theories on “submission”, then we can talk about it again. Till then, I am done with this particular topic…which seems to bother you for some strange reason…Oh, Well…

Oh, and as for JAZZY CREATIONS, he also mentioned that he was “Entertained” by this subject of “Submissiveness”…that is the IDIOT who also sends nasty notes behind the scenes, pretends to be civilized in public, and agrees with You…But make no mistake about it. My lack of time to respond to your ever increasing postings on the subject does not mean that I am avoiding You or your points at all. Remember, I am in the process of editing my book (790 pages),and a busy single parent and dont have enough time for writing an essay to rebut You. If you wish to continue this debate w/Me, fine…you will have to drop me a note (NOT LIKE JAZZYS! LOL) with a number to reach you by and I will reach out by phone when I have free time to talk with You. So, NO DODGING INVOLVED…It is up to you whether or not you Accept. Other than that, I am not continuing on with this topic…Peace Out!

Hmmm…Interesting! WATCH ME SUCCEED had plenty to say, until I made some points he wanted to avoid. Then, at that point, my comments became “emotional”…Good Grief! Somebody give that brother a Midol…he’s becoming a bit tender & sensitive now…Wasnt he the same one who said he “gets his fleshly needs met & then keeps it moving…” (LOL) What an Ass! Lets see how many more tough questions he Avoids…I’m sure there will be more for the man who bangs em & dumps em…But then, since he’s already used to dumping women, it doesnt surprise that he is avoiding questions from other women on this site as well…Thats his M.O.! Imagine how many of those break up scenes he’s managed to avoid, with his disappearing ass! (LOL) Tootoo much…

I agree with you that having options is a good thing. But not always. Kids would love to have the option to eat ice cream for dinner. But is that a good thing? What I’m getting at is: ‘options’ are good for those responsible enough to make wise use of those options. Unfortunately, that’s not most black women today!

The option to have abortions has created an industry of convenient death for OUR black children. We’ve wiped out a nation of our future for the sake of convenience. The option to divorce has given women the power to marry and divorce for sport; and caused men to avoid marriage all together. In what way has that benefited sisters…or society as a whole? The truth is: great-grandma would’ve made wiser choices with those options; her great-granddaughter DOES NOT.

@ the rest of my sisters:

I find this topic quite revealing. It’s about women submitting more to their men. And just look at the vehemency and opposition my sisters have to this topic! If I was s china-man reading this thread, I would assume that black women are basically man-less because they refuse to stomach the idea of being submissive. You prove by your responses the very reason why most of you are unsuccessful at mating and relationships.

If what you’ve been doing is working for you, keep on doing it. No harm no foul. But if you’re really tired of being in relationship Hell, you should go back and read what many intelligent brothers have to say about all this. Unless of course you plan on dating other black women, OUR opinion about this topic should count for something!

EzBreezi said it best back on page 14. Much props to that young sister for keeping it realer than most on this site.

So, a woman who exercises her options needs to have those options meet YOUR approval? That is the point of options; they are for the individual to make. If you are so concerned about people misusing their options, why not focus on black males. Those who opt to not do well in school; not abstain from sex; not take birth control into THEIR hands; not stay out of trouble; not take care of the kids they make; not be men unless they find a woman willing to make him feel like one. Why not just be a man?

And as for the woman having abortions; that’s her body to do with as she chooses. But, funny that your last post complained about women opting to have give life to the children she makes and then you made it negative that they take care of them, whether through struggle or not….now you are taking issue with women choosing to not have children that they make. So, they are damned if they have them and damned if they don’t. Pretty much…you have an issue with the female reproductive system. And if you want to say they shouldn’t get pregnant in the first place, you can contribute to that solution by talking to the males and insisting that they stop asking. See if we can cut this problem off at the source.

I love the assumption that sistas who won’t submit must be manless.

LMAO…really?

crystalClearNY:

Since you’re clamoring for my attention so bad, understand that my silence towards you is akin to me ignoring the crackhead asking to wash my windows at the stoplight. I can’t help that brother, any more than I can help you! I don’t argue just for the sake of arguing. And by your insisting that I argue with you, you’re proving the very reason why so many brothers avoid hooking up with sisters like YOU! You’re not here to dialogue; you’re here to dominate the convo. And a brother like me ain’t having that ish…smh…

You are a bitterly angry woman, lost within the bowels of life’s hurt and pain. I actually pity you. May God grant you the power to forgive that man who broke your heart so. I wish you the best.

@Nunya:

I can assure you that they are! And ‘IF’ one such woman does indeed have a man, secretly in her heart she despises him for being so damn weak! But if weak men is what you like, that makes you one of those sisters who can’t deal with a strong, dominate male. So that would make you typical.

And as for the woman having abortions; that’s her body to do with as she chooses.

Then she shouldn’t ask a man to help take care of what comes out of ‘her body’! Otherwise, what comes out of her body is not completely hers to make a decision on! SMH…

But that’s a topic for another thread. Like I said: great-grandma would make much better usage of the ‘options’ you so freely enjoy.

Hmmm…Watch Me Succeed: I’m not clamoring for your attention, though I did make a comment in general (NOT addressed to You, if you check you will see that is True) about your inability to answer the tough questions I asked, when I responded to your statement. As for your claims that I am “insisting that you argue with Me”…you can breathe a sigh of relief and put that one to Bed too…Your silence on the issue spoke VOLUMES…I wasnt the only one who noticed, but rest assured, we are done here…So now you know, in case you thought I was still expecting an answer…NO. Now move on, Mr. Hit It & Quit It! Dont you have another unsuspecting woman to hump and Dump? Tell it to them…They will appreciate it more than I! Thats who you really need to be explaining Yourself & your Theories on Manhood to…the women you are banging and dumping! NOT ME, sweetness…byebye!

@crystalclearNY and the entire forum

Is this woman serious? You’re asking me do I think I’m a psychic because I posed a question as to why your relationships may have ended.It wasn’t a broad sweeping statement, it was an observation that could or could not be true. Did I say “This is the reason your relationships ended”, or did I say “Could it be” meaning I don’t know! What Psychic phrases things with “could it be”. That’s your problem you want to attack so quickly that you don’t read and you probably don’t listen well either…

And I don’t have a wife that left me so i don’t need to cross reference anything.

You are full of contradictions:

You say Jazzy kissed my ass for agreeing with my post so did you kiss Phazelx’s ass when you agreed with her post?

Then You say Watch Me Succeed avoided your questions but then dismissed the notion that you avoided mine.

You keep saying the topic is bothering me as if you don’t care about this topic yet
1. You have more posts on this topic than me
2. You have addresed more people on this topic than me
3. And you are writing a book that includes this topic and I’m not.

What is your rational for your statements? What is your standard? Or do you not have one and simply write the first thing that comes to your mind.

Epidemy24…I see this is really IMPORTANT TO YOU…IF TRYING TO DISCREDIT MY POSITION/MY REASONING/MY JUDGMENT/MY STATEMENTS is something you with to spend your Time Doing On This Blog…LETS MAKE THIS SHORT & SWEET…SO BE IT! You Do That…And I’ll Keep My Flow Going, PERIOD! And you keep wasting your time worrying/dissecting/fretting about/losing sleeover/rebutting/objecting and whatever else You Do to my postings! I really dont CARE…STILL WONT STOP MY FLOW…SO, do it if you want, and make sure to spell my name RIGHT! (LOL) I really dont give a damn if you do..Or dont! NEXT!! NEXT IN LINE, PLEASE….!!! you already know the drill…

Epidemy24:

This chick is obviously one of those sisters who thinks she’s ‘eating us up and spitting us out’ with her scattered way of arguing. She’s the classic case of an attention w-hore, trying to dominate the flow of the entire thread and direct all the attention her way. The best way to treat an attention w-hore is to ignore them. Just my observation…

Good drops too homie.

OH, EPIDEMIC…SEEMS LIKE YOU’LL BE LOSING A LOT OF SLEEP OVER THIS TOPIC TONIGHT…(lol) BUT THAT’S YOUR CHOICE! I’VE BEEN LAUGHING AT YOUR OBSESSIVE NEED TO BE RIGHT FOR THE LAST 3 OR 4 POSTINGS! (LOL) BETTER YET, KEEP APPEALING TO THE HB COMMUNITY IN YOUR QUEST TO PROVE ME WRONG…Just make sure to spell my name right & mention my manuscript, too…(SMILE, LOL) Wow! Didnt mean to hit such a nerve with You…but…F–k It! (LOL)
THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU, HUH…Go ahead, drop another posting & give me a good laugh before I go take care of some chores! (LOL)

Hmmm…Go away, Hump Em& Dump Em…I mean, Watch Me Drone On…Dont you have another chick to string along? Or are you in between the last one and the next one, right Now? (LOL)

crystalclearNY
Jul. 20th, 2010
at 4:58 pm
Epidemy24…I see this is really IMPORTANT TO YOU

Lol Once again making statements with no support.

I see you need reppitition
How is this topic more important to me than you when?:
1. You have more posts than me
2. You have addressed more people than me
3. You are writing a book that covers this topic and I’m not.

And since you say “Watch Me” has an inability to answer the hard questions do you have the ability to answer the easy ones like?:

1. Did you kiss Phazelx’s ass when you agreed with her like you claimed Jazzy did when agreeing with me?

2. How is this topic more important to me than you?(reference above)

3. How am I acting like I’m a psychic for posing a question using the phrase “Could it be”(I thought psychics were decisive)?

I don’t need to dissect anything its blatant contradictions. I’m not trying to stop your flow. And all these questions are rhetorical, I need no answer. By all means keep writing and I will too.

You want to say whatever and nobody to address it speciffically. And when I do you want to act as if it is no big deal to you and it is to me. As you said this is a debate. It is only when somebody poses valid questions that you wan’t to act as if you are so cool about the topic and it and im so into it. pleeeeeasssssseeeeee

You started the dialouge with me and I’m here.

p.s If I spelled something wrong(not sure where but probably did as we all have) I can admit it..see I don’t ignore or deny that something I am involved with is flawed simply to “win”. But I’d rather have a mispellled word than a flawed argument.

Go ahead and tell me that “I care about this to much and next me”…zzzzz….zzzzz

To: EPIDEMIC OF WORDS: YAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNN…Didnt even read it, dont care…PERIOD.

Go Ahead…Keep Boring Me If you like…MAYBE YOU CAN GET ANOTHER HI-FIVE FROM “JAZZY CREATIONS/Who sends sneaky, nasty notes behind the scenes”…or old “Watch Me Bore You To Death”…They’re eating it up…I AM NOT…So Be It! (YAWNNNN)

@crystalclear
I really think you believe I’m mad when I’m writing this and hitting keys and pacing. You keep writing “lo”l like you’re laughing at the irrate maniac who is so obssed with being right. I am actually a calm guy and I have not even used any profanity in my posts except inquoting who???? YOU. I’m no more obsessed than you because you have more posts than me and simply put you wrote to me first so every post I write you is a response and every one you write to me is a continuation of the debate so who is obsessed with being right?

Then again I don’t expect you to understand this because I’ve figured it out. You don’t care about substance..the only thing that you value is “the last word”……probably makes you feel like you “won”, but what about the debate in between? You tore my argument up right lolllll. Stop

@crystalclear
You probably read it you just have no response. You had some “deep” posts at first what happened? Come on If you don’t want to debate the issues and can’t defend your statements then quit responding. I don’t need to follow jazzy. I’m where I wan’t to be. A minute ago I’m ammusing you and now im boring you? Which is it? And who would keep responding to somebody that’s boring them? CRAZY. I’m not bored I find this quite interesting.

(YAAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN)…Still not interested, PERIOD! And no, I didnt read it…Check in with Captain “JAZZY CREATING INSULTING, BEHIND THE SECENES NOTES” or OLD WATCH ME HIT IT & QUIT IT! Waste your time talking to Them…You’ll get the Hi Five you’re looking for. I TOLD YOU I DONT HAVE TIME TO WRITE ESSAYS TO DEBATE THIS TOPIC ANYMORE, YOU DONT LIKE IT, GOT AN ISSUE WITH IT, WHATEVER, DONT CARE, DIDNT READ YOUR LAST POSTING AND STILL WONT AND STILL DONT CARE TO…(YAWN, SNORE, BORE!)

LIKE I TOLD YOU EARLIER…I DONT HAVE TIME TO DEBATE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS TOPIC FURTHER W.YOU…YOU WRITE ESSAYS THAT GET LONGER AND LONGER & REQUIRE MORE & MORE TIME…you may have excess free time to write 50 paragraphs, I dont always have free time like that. YOU CANT ACCEPT THAT, OR INSIST ON PROVING OTHER POINTS…SO BE IT! I’VE SKIPPED YOUR LAST 2 POSTINGS ON THE TOPIC, SO YOU BETTER WRITE TO YOUR FAN CLUB (You know Who!) cause THEY WILL BE THE ONES READING IT! Not Me! (lol)

Ok so If you didn’t read it then why do you keep writing 3 and four sentences to it. That’s basically insane. It’s intersting because at first you you were debating and now your just responding to tell me how busy you are to respond?! How foolish is that? Why are you so fascinated with Jazzy and Watch Me. We get it Jazzy wrote you a note.

Oh i get it you ran them away and you won’t feel complete until you run me away. Cause thats what you do run men off…Right

Still want that last word huh?

Meanwhile back at the ranch….

It would be insightful to get back on topic as well as being able to “agree to disagree respectfully.”

This topic has definitely moved away from this.

crystalClearNY, “Hmmm…Go away, Hump Em& Dump Em…I mean, Watch Me Drone On…Dont you have another chick to string along? Or are you in between the last one and the next one, right Now? (LOL)”

LMAO@ ‘hump em and dump em’….Girl you killen me!!!

Hmmm…EPIDEMIC OF WORDS has an Obsession Now it would Seem…Move on Epidemic, Move ON!

OH…AND STILL DIDNT READ YOUR LAST 3 POSTINGS, JUST CAUSE YOU ARE SO DESPERATE FOR ME TO DO SO…OR WAS IT THE LAST 4…? I DUNNO…I DONT CARE…CATCH ME ON ANOTHER TOPIC, EPIDEMIC! (lol)

So Watchmesucceed….you are one of those who believes that you know what women think more than women do?? This is one of the biggest problems with men and women. Your assumption that women consider a man weak for respecting and loving her as an adult is a bit irrational. Who is raising your males to think that women PREFER to be demeaned and any woman who doesn’t can’t get a man or if she has one she resents him for NOT considering her less and beneath him?

Also as for the abortion/don’t ask for support bit…sheepdip. Biology dictates that its the woman’s body that must endure either childbirth or an abortion. The child itself is biologically MADE by both. You can’t shirk your responsibilities because you decide to overlook the reality that your actions affecting another human beings body can bring about another human being.

That comment right there shows the type of male that you are. I mean, your other posts did too, but that was clear confirmation. A male who looks for reasons to not do what he is supposed to. Its a low caliber move.

BTW Watchmesucceed….better usage is an opinion. The fact that YOUR Great Grandma would use her options to accept the role defined for her by society and MY Great Grandma would use her options to define her own role in life is what options are all about. We have a choice to be as much as we want in life and as little as we want in life. Its a choice. Your agreeing with them doesn’t make them better or worse. You (nor I or anyone else) get to decide what is better for anyone other than ourselves.

@crystalclearNY
I am reading your post and thats why im commenting. So why would you comment to a post that you are not reading? Maybe I’m agreeing with you now but you don’t know because you are not reading.Silly! But I know you are reading but you have run out of valid arguments. Is this how your marriage ended? Was your husband making valid points and you kept saying “Next” to him. Do you listen at all? I see why these men left you. In a city of millions of men why does not a one want you?

WOW! EPIDEMIC OF WORDS IS STILL WRITING…AND IM STILL SKIPPING HIS POSTING…DAMN! B

Brother has Diarrhea of the Mouth a.k.a. Severe Last Wordianism! IS THAT A New Disease, Perhaps…? Hmmm…I Dunno…I’m just skipping right past his Psychology 101 class! (LOL) Wonder how long he’ll keep trying to post something for me to respond to…I THINK THIS BROTHER’S GONNA BE UP ALL NITE!

Damn! over 20 pages? Damn where was I for this? Wow!

@Crystalclear – So glad you took the opportunity to let everyone know i sent you a note. Now it would make sense to give more detail than that. Of course you would consider it to be “nasty” because it was simply exposing you for the bitter woman that you are. Now my note to you was about the fact that you are interested in meeting someone who has his shyt together and no games but let’s think about who’s really playing here. What exactly do you have to offer? I pointed out that you admittedly on your page state that your husband left you to smoke crack and chase loose women. Hmmmm…brothahs that got their shyt together should jump at this opportunity. Again what do you have to offer? On top of that you’re stating your demands and you have not one photo of yourself. Wow. No wait everyone it gets better. You mention that you have two kids. 3yr old and 20 months. So there you have it. You have absolutely nothing to offer but your expect the right man to come walking through your door. But do your yourself a favor give him at least a chance to see what you look like. I can post my exact words..but that’s basically how it went. And of course you would call it a “nasty” note. You have no choice. But once again you’re the exact reason we’re having this discussion in the first place.
Epidemy24, Watchmesucceed, and all the other intellectual brothahs thx for bringing all your insight to the table.

@Nunyabidness: Sorry you feel this is so unattractive, all I’m asking for is fairness to the situation.

Hmmm…JAZZY..CREATING Sleazy, Greasy Notes behind the scenes is not CREATING! (lol) You really are delusional. My page is up for Networking…Not Dating…You really are a weak little fish! F**k Off, Loser…Go sneak back under the rock you crawled out from under! You like to sling insults behind the scenes, and Now You’re whining cause I EXPOSED YOU for it? DO YOU REALLY THINK I GIVE A DAMN? YOU SEND NOTES BACKSTAGE CAUSE THATS HOW YOU GET DOWN…SNEAKY, SLIMY, AND GRIMY…WORRYING ABOUT IF I HAVE A PIC OR NOT…The more you talk, the more your Mask is Slipping! HOLD IT BACK UP TO YOUR FACE…COVER YOUR SOUL CAUSE IT’S A DISGRACE! Meantime, GO GET A HI-FIVE FROM WATCH ME RUN…(LOL) I mean, WATCH ME BORE YOU…I mean, WATCH ME TALK S**T…! Or EPIDEMIC OF WORDS…a.k.a. Diarrhea of the Mouth! Ah, you know who I mean, your BackUp…You need back up bad, if you trying to get under my skin…THAT AINT GONNA HAPPEN, SWEETNESS…BUT YOU CAN KEEEP TRYING THOUGH! (lol)

Hmmm…BTW, JAZZY…You dont sound Glad I Exposed You…You Sound Pissesd Off, & In A Hurry To Explain It Away! (lol)

jazzylicious2006, LOL you missed the hell outta this one!

I just stop by to read occassionally..

@crystalclear. The sad thing is you actually believe that. But once again. The whole story is here for everyone to see. You got issues. Peace.

Hmmm…Peace talk from the Behind the Scenes Bulls**t Artist who accused me of…

1) Not having a manuscript…(UNBELIEVABLE!)
2) Being ugly cause I didnt put up a Pic (LOL)
3) Told Me I should Have Just F–ked my husband & Left Him…Just be a loose s**t in other words, right?
4) Brays about how I am on BP for Dating Purposes, when my page clealy states Networking, with no mention of Dating at all…?

Hmmm…Yeah, you need to just KEEP SHUCKING & JIVING WITH YOUR TWO OR THREE FACES, AND TELL YOUR STORY WALKING, SWEETNESS…OR BETTER YET, TELL IT TO YOUR BACKUP! You need a crew behind You, AND STILL WONT STOP MY FLOW! SURELY YOU MUST KNOW!(LOL)
Drop Dead, LOSER!

Hmmm…JAZZY…Notice you keep talking for the whole BP/HB community…”Story is here for everyone to see…” WHO ARE YOU TRYING SO HARD TO GET ON BOARD TO HAVE YOUR BACK? Why, exactly, is it just YOU & THE TOO FEW CREW grinding your teeth? Where’s the rest of your BACKUP? (LOL) Speak FOR YOURSELF…Oh, I forgot…You’re the sneaky/greasy/sleazy/slimy/grimy behind the scenes Spokesman for EVERYBODY…guess they can all just defer to You from Now On! (LOL) Now we know…JAZZY speaks for Everybody on HB! Problem for you is…I DONT GIVE A F**K WHO YOU SPEAK FOR! I SPEAK, YOU WHINE, AND THE BEAT GOES ON…DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOUR SONG! (lol)

Is it just me or should Jazz and crystal just get a room already? Its a forum folks. Keep the nasty comments to yourself. Just click on each others page and get it on from there. As for the article, Mo is just too damn submissive. Her ‘open’ relationship is open only on one end, hers. He must be blessed. lol

To: MyEyesAdoreYou: Listen, Miss Lady…You can take it however You wish…But I Cannot Allow Any of these So-Called Men to step On My Right To Express My Position When & How I See Fit…And Leave it Be, When I Choose To…Period! All the rest of that you said is a BAD JOKE, Boo…Leave that s**t ALONE…! YIKES!! (LOL)

@ MyeyesadoreU…hello!! LOL..I was thinking the same thing. And he doesn’t even realize that he has all but ignored the women who agree with him…and can’t stop coming back at Crystal. LOL

Hmmm…I notice that on this site FOR WOMEN, many men use it as an opportunity to Insult & Attack Women of Color, Gang Up on An Opposing Viewpoint, Or Outright Ridicule Women, in general…But I am sure the TWO FEW CREW or one of their Compadres will be charging out of the Woods to deny THAT, as predicted…OH, WELL…SO BE IT! I REFUSE TO STAND BY IDLY AND BE INSULTED, OR ENTERTAIN UNREASONABLE DEMAND THAT I WRITE AN ESSAY IN REBUTTAL OF RIDICULOUS, “PSYCHOLOGY 101″ DEBATES! THEY DONT LIKE IT, THEY CAN SKIP MY POSTINGS AND KEEP GRITTING THEIR TEETH, AND WE’LL ALL BE JUST FINE! (LOL) Can’t stop my Shine or My Grind!

Califemme,

I have seen your posts on HB, News, etc. It is as horrible you put in no gratitude or affectional feelings.

I was there when they asked wheter Rhinda is victim of Chris Brown abused?
You had no feeling to pity, mocking she deserved the beat up first.
It amazed me how you would went that way AS YOU BEING A WOMAN. WHAT IF A MAN ABUSES YOU SOMEDAY? I aint gotta touch upon that subject ‘cuz something is gotta happen to you someday, seriously. ABUSING IS NEVER A joking or laughable material.

I don’t really mind what you say about my posting, spelling grammar , or anything. It just seems senseless to me when your grammar is as worse than mine. You speak ebonic slang like I do. We have the same blood ,and live the same way. So what is there to judge about?

I don’t want you to say my name unless you have something nice to say. A woman at your age should have something mature and classy conversation .

Wow~ but it is nice to get know you…hope all is well with you in the future, Bless!

Hey WatchMeSucceed….I know you haven’t been on here in a while…I posted a response to one of your comments… its on page 13… I haven’t been reading too much of what anyone had to say…but your post caught my eye….

If you don’t mind….leaving a response…or messaging me personally….

To: watchmesucceed – I visited your page… It’s hard to believe you are who you say you are on your page…when you read the things you’ve stated in your comments…

It’s a shame it’s over 20 pages of women with their demands and brothers putting them down, but nobody see what’s going on, the “powers that be” have accomplished exactly what they wanted to do, turn us against each other, a nation divided can never stand, they will always fall. The women should be agreeing fully to the submission thing, and the men should agree too… If the biblical women were to walk the earth right now these women would be getting checked right on the spot with scripture SHOWING a woman is to submit to her husband, and feelings might be hurt because the scriptures are cut and dry with it… no go between at all. SMH

Do as i say or else ..Or just be that shoulder to cry on .or maybe cook dinner 3 nights a week ? I cooked and cleaned wash clothes etc… It was my job as a wife but it got dangerous if im two mins late where have you been i was waiting on you. Submit to a 50/50 partnership what your bring i got you…Women have come way too far to allow this nonsense to even be mentioned. i fail victim to a level of submission at the work place..I dont agree with this…..you lose who you are in time your life passes before your eyes…..

@ KevanJ… are you a virgin?

@crystalclearNy

You say that I’m still writing but for everything I write you have something to write so guess who else is still writing. You say you are not reading my post so what insane person would keep responding to somebody whose posts they are not reading.

Everybody ready for “crystal’s contradictions”

1. Claims that I am so concerned with this topic and she is not yet she has more posts on this subject than me and probably anybody else, and is writing a book that will cover this topic.(has even injected her personal trials into this discussion)

2. She said that jazzycreations is an ass kisser for giving me props on a a post but won’t admit that she is one for giving phazelx props on a post.

3. Said her system of submission worked fine with her husband for ten years but then said it didn’t work that much with her husband?!

4. Implied that I wanted to debate the issue of submission to much but had previously said she wanted to simply debate this issue.

5. Continues to say she is bored with me and tired but continues to respond to my every post.

Just go back through the posts and you can see that nothing she says has merit.

And you call jazzy delusional?

Whether its jealousy, animosity or just plain hatred it has caused a rift between black men and black women that will never be repaired. Both groups need to take 10-20 years of total separation from each other. Maybe then, the love will return.

GodPrincezz81 you need a hug my dear. You are all off the subject or better yet on the wrong post! And someone please tell me why would some of the most unattractive women join together and pose from a cheap ass one time use digital camera? And the picture is blurry and still don’t do them any justice. Lmao! Wow! What a horrible combination of black and white! Yikes!

A woman should ALWAYS submit to a real man. We decide what goes on in our house, the woman should not have to worry about making decisions.

500+ comments?! damn…is it that much of an issue for black women to submit to their men??

EPIDEMIC OF WORDS: WOW! THIS REALLY IS IMPORTANT TO YOU! SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU GOT UP OUT YOUR BED AT NEARLY 1:30 TO KEEP WRITING, HUH? (lol) GUESS I’M THE PSYCHIC, NOW…I PREDICTED LAST NITE YOU WERE SO OBSESSED YOU WOLD BE LOSING SLEEP…AND I WAS RIGHT! (lol)

FOR GOODNESS SAKES…SOMEBODY GIVE THIS MAN A HI-FIVE ON “PUTTING ME IN MY PLACE” (I’M LAUGHING ALREADY, AND THE DAY HAS JUST BEGUN)…I SKIPPED YOUR LAST 4 POSTINGS, BUT THIS ONE I JUST HAD TO READ…AND AM STILL LAUGHING AT YOU! GO GET YOUR CREW, “WATCH ME RUN…” (who is pretending to take the High Road…right…His High Road is strewn with the Bodies of all the women He admitted to Pumping&dumping…) or maybe you can get “JAZZY” CREATOR OF SLICK/SLEAZY/GREASY INSULTING NOTES on board your ‘WHY IS SHE STILL HERE?” TRAIN! boohoo…Look, a tear! (lol) HOW MUCH SLEEP DID YOU ACTUALLY LOSE OVER THIS LAST NITE? Again, SOMEBODY GIVE THIS DESPERATE MAN A HI-FIVE…OR YOU CAN KEEP TALKING ABOUT ME, LIKE I GIVE A DAMN! (LOL) POOR MAN DONE COMPLETELY LOST HIS FOCUS…DAMN! IS MY NAME STUCK IN YOUR HEAD? OPEN IT UP, GET A VACUUM AND SNATCH IT BACK OUT! NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU TALK…I FIND YOU MORE AND MORE AMUSING AS TIME GOES ON & YOU REMAIN STUCK…! (LOL) DAMN SAD…BUT DAMN HILARIOUS TOO…GO GET YOUR CREW…YOU’RE GONNA NEED BACK-UP AGAIN TODAY! MATTER OF FACT, YOU STAY STUCK ON ME…AND I’LL MOVE ON, SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT LAST WORD YOU’RE SO DESPERATE FOR! DESPERATION TO PROVE A POINT IS A TRULY SAD STATE TO BEHOLD! LOOK AT WHAT YOU’RE TURNING INTO…AGAIN, YOU CANT WAIT TO SEE MY NEXT POSTING,HUH…WHILE I WILL BE GIVING YOU MY ASS TO KISS, AGAIN, TODAY…PUCKER UP, DESPERADO! (LOL)

BTW…EPIDEMIC OF WORDS…Are You A Virgin…Only A Man With No Woman & Too Much TIme On His Hands Would Get Up Out His Bed At 1:30 to write to a person sho really doesnt give a F–k! (LOL)

Damn, you’re turning into a Joke a Day!

@GODPRINCEZZ…look if u dont care for us at least care for yourself enough to PLEASE stop making a “fool” out of yourself, IM ASKING NICELY…YOU’RE KILLIN ME…”MRS.CHRISTIAN LADY” “MRS. SAVED BY GRACE”….”‘cuz something is gotta happen to you someday, seriously.” something like what??? u claim to be so saved but wishing bad things on others..hmmmm..DUMB COMMENT #2 “We have the same blood ,and live the same way.” uhhh NO THANK U..DUMB COMMENT #3 “I don’t want you to say my name unless you have something nice to say.” WOW!!! WELL I DONT WANT YOU TYPING AND SPELLING, THE WAY YOU DO, AND HAVE THE NERVE TO DEBATE PFFT!!
WHO THE HELL IS “RHINDA”?? that sounds like a “skin disease” if u dont hush…lmfaoooo…I’VE SEEN YOUR POST..AND I FIND IT HORRIBLE THAT YOU DON’T USE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO YOU, TO BETTER YOUR GRAMMAR, setting us back 100yrs SMH…typing like you just learned how…and i honestly believe u talk the same way…mmm ITS SUUUUUUUCH A SHAME…AND b4 u say IT YES..IM VERY AWARE YOUR COMMENT WAS DIRECTED TOWARDS CALI’, BUT I JUST COULDNT READ THAT CRAP..WITHOUT “ENCOURAGING YOU TO DO BETTER” we’d have BETTER luck READING BRAILLE! see now…im acting -out-

This is some patriarchal bulls**t. Black Women are the ONLY women in the world whose Ancient Mothers were NOT born under the YOKE of patriarchy. We are a MATRIARCHAL PEOPLE, regardless of what European conditioning has taken place since our encounter with them. Black Women will NEVER be submissive onto anything but HERSELF because THAT is the WAY OUR DIVINE MOTHER CREATED US TO BE! It is time for BLACK WOMEN to dig and start uncovering her TRUE DIVINE SELF! No one has ever told our story! You will NEVER find it in European fictitious novels such as the Bible, you will NEVER find it in White Arab books such as the Koran, and you damn sure will NEVER find it in these so-called neo black consciousness movements!

Sisters, if you really want to know WHO YOU ARE and WHO your MOTHERS were, start to uncover the veil by looking at books written by US!

The Sibyls: the First Prophetess of Mami (Wata)
The Great Cosmic Mother
Jambalaya
The Dark Goddess
Goddess Symbols

Just to name a few…

And NO I am NOT a feminist… That’s to weak of a word to describe the POWER of MY BLOODLINE!

Lesbian, dyke, b***h and whatever name patriarchs wish to give this Divine Feminine, cannot stop the power of this WOMBMAN!

Peep the video for just a hint of knowledge about your true HERSTORY….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdFbqgl46Dc

Shabless 05 is absolutely correct “Black Women are the ONLY women in the world whose Ancient Mothers were NOT born under the YOKE of patriarchy.” In African antiquity women ran things!

However, African matriarchal systems lead to the destruction of African civilizations. African women leadership did not / could not protect us from the savagery of the european man – and once white folks became superior to Africans in war (primarily through the invention of the gun and the use of gunpowder) it became clear that the roles needed to be switched. Although African women all over the continent led men into war, their leadership was unsuccessful. As a result, the Black African Diaspora is unorganized, disconnected, and powerless.

Submission, of either gender, is not necessary. Black women and men must work together toward the destruction of white supremacy and the rebirth of Africa. Only then, will we see true and real POWER.

Hmmm…I guess EPIDEMIC is still sleeping, after getting up at 1:30 to write another EPIC that Absolutely Nobody cares about! (lol) Funny thing is, I tried to end the debate on a cordial note, way back on page 18 & 19, at 1:20pm & again at 3:53pm, but he dismissed & ignored that, in his quest to insist that I continue answering his ever increasing paragraphs of Questions and rude comments (like the comment that In HIS OPINION…insert yawn here…None of the millions of Men in NYC were dating Me…insert another yawn here! lol). When I refused to continue anwering anything because of his pushy insistence that I continue debating his ever increasing Essays, he became obnoxious and pushy…Which I detest. Oh well…Hope this is OVER AND DONE WITH…OR HE WILL BE UP AGAIN AT 1:30 IN THE MORNING, WASTING HIS TIME AND LOSING SLEEP OVER MY POSTINGS, AGAIN! (LOL) SO BE IT…

GodPrincezz81, Oh good lawd and have mercy on me!

But you’re absolutely correct…I am not a very sympathetic person, (if thats what you were trying to say), and I have no clue as to what you meant by ‘gratitude or affectional feelings’…Gratitude for what? Affection towards whom? DICTIONARY!!

Once again I say…NO MAN has ever nor will ever abuse me, because unlike Rihanna, I wouldn’t be fool enough to attack a man physically that I know I can’t whoop! I don’t make it a point to flip out on men in the first place..I’m not some raving lunatic island banshee like she is…So movin’ right along..

WHAT??! ‘We have the same blood, we live the same and speak the same way’??!?!?!? Girl you better check under the table, behind your chair and in ya pocket, cuz you done lost ya fckin mind if you THINK I sound like YOU!

But what I’m upset about is your parents not introducing you to that good ole’ sesame street back in the day! It works wonders…Matter of fact, you log out right now and go hit PBS KIDS where you belong…

And if you are offended by my comments, it’s your fault for letting your stupid offend me first…so stop that!

wtf has the world come to? its a shame that women think that they have to be submissive to men. If you are submissive, thats fine if thats you as an individual. However you do not have to be submisssive simply because you are a woman

I must say i love it this just made my day but one thing i want to say is that sometimes woman are not loyal to there mate as well so us being woman need to get ourselves together love ourselves so we can submit to the right man that gods sends us.

@crystalclearNY

You are probably excited now that I’m responding huh?

“When do you lies end; when does the truth begin; when does reality set in or does it not matter?”

You said that you skipped/didn’t read my previous four posts until the one on July 21st at 1:11am. Yet on your post today at 11:58 am you referenced something I said about “the millions of men in NY city” in which I wrote on July 20th at 8:00 pm. The post you referenced was one of the ones that you claimed you had not read. So how did you know what I said in it if you didn’t read it? Don’t expect an answer just pointing out more inconsistencies.

And to answer your questions(unlike you)

1. Am I a Virgin? Do I have a Woman? What does being a virgin have to do with not having a woman? You may have lost your virginity and still not have a woman.
So I’m assuming you meant to simply ask “Do I have a woman”..No
But I do have women that are interested in me that I converse with. Do you have men that are interested in you?

2. Did I lose sleep?; No…
And why are you assuming that I got out of bed. Did I ever post my bedtime schedule on here?
In your post to me at 7:42 am you said “(I’M LAUGHING ALREADY, AND THE DAY HAS JUST BEGUN)…”, so does that mean one of the first things you did when your day begun was to respond to me? Who is obsessed with who? Once again I don’t expect an answer.

You keep saying that you don’t care and are bored and are through yet you keep posting to me. Why would you continue to write me if you are done? Silly…I’ve never said I was through thats why I keep writing.

Why do you keep talking about me getting with jazzy and watchme…and me needing “back up”? You are acting as this is a game and although you claim you are so bored it seems as this is very exciting to you. I don’t know those guys. We are not getting togethor to plot on how to make you look bad.(you are doing this yourself) What fictional, warped mindset do you have? This is one man pointing out the inconsistencies in one woman’s argument…No more No less..

Watch Me Succeed has not posted anything to you in a while and you are still talking about him. Why? You keep talking about a note that Jazzy sent you 2 days ago? Why? You wrote me 3 posts since my last one.Why? Could it be you love the attention.. It gets you going to think that three men are “obsessed” with you when clearly it is the other way around. You say jazzys note was disrespectful so why are you still talking about it..Did it simply make you feel good that he wrote you a note? No male contact in a long time in “the city that never sleeps”? You love the attention good or bad…..

If you want to end it then stop responding. You are like a chicken that as long as you throw them food they eat. I’ve never said I’m done so it does not apply to me.

P.S. All that “kiss ya ass” and “lol” and “next” is not making me mad. I remember “GIRLS” in middle school acting like this saying “talk to the hand” and “whatever”. They usually were ignorant and couldn’t express themselves verbally. However I have NEVER seen this from a “writer”, a person who has the ability to make words flow with elegance. It didn’t make me mad when girls acted that way when I was a boy so it definetly doesn’t when I’m a man. If you can’t argue the facts just say I have no response. I don’t have to resort to name calling and profanity because I am clearly getting you on the issues..But if you think it makes me mad, it shows me the caliber of men that you have dealt with.

P.S. Did you read this or not?!?!

OH BTW…JAZZY BULLS**TTER…You were QUICK to try and EXPLAIN AWAY THAT SLEAZY, GREASY NOTE YOU SENT ME…But then stated at the bottom of your “explanation” that the words were “Basically how it went…” YOU ARE A LIAR, AND I AM CALLING YOU OUT ON IT, LIAR…WANT ME TO POST THE EXACT CONTENT OF YOUR SLIMY F**KING NOTE…WORD FOR WORD…CAUSE I STILL HAVE IT, BET YOU DONT BUT I DO! Let’s show the HB community your Grimy Undercover Side, Shall We? SPEAK UP, BRO…! SPEAK UP! I’ll be happy to take a couple minutes and write it up on the Boards Word For Word…WHO THINKS THAT I SHOULD EXPOSE HIS GREASY ASS FURTHER? Do Tell… (lol)

Hmmm…Look Who Just Woke Up After HIS Late Night! AN EPIDEMIC IS BREAKING OUT, again, folks! Do You Toss At Night & Get Up To Drop Postings At 1: 15am Much, EPIDEMIC…Hmmm? Saw you dropped another ESSAY in my direction so I SKIPPED IT, as usual…But here’s a Bone to Keep YOU Up Late, Again, Tonight! YOU DO REALIZE I’M SKIPPING OVER YOUR POSTINGS, RIGHT…? OR THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT COMPUTE? (LOL) HERE, TOSS AND TURN ALL NITE OVER THIS…I call it “ODE TO AN EPIDEMIC: OUT OF CONTROL”…

Epidemic of Words, That Psuedo Politician…
Thinks of CrystalClear while he’s in his Kitchen…
Thinks of CrystalClear while in his Bath…
When He Should Be Washing His Nasty, Fat Ass!
Thinks of CrystalClear at 1:30am in Bed…
Damn, DIARRHEA OF THE MOUTH…
It seems I’m Stuck In Your Head!
Somebody Give This Poor Virgin
A “Yeah, You Told Her So!” High-Five…
So He Can Get Unstuck From My Next Posting…
And Go Back To Being Alive!
But…Maybe this IS His Life…
Maybe this is EPIDEMIC’C WORLD…
If he really had a real Life…
Wouldn’t He Spend It With His Real Girl? (LOL)
Hmmm…I’m Interested To Know…
What Exactly Do YOU All Think…?
Cause I Think This Poor Net Loser
Should Just Cut His Own Wrists In His Sink! (LOL)

Yeah…I Know…It wasn’t Nice, But It Had To Be Said! ALL HE HAS TO DO IS SKIP PAST MY POSTINGS, AND LEAVE ME ALONE! IF NOT…OKAY, THEN, KEEP TRYING EPIDEMIC…I LIKE LAUGHING AT YOU! SO BE IT! POST SOMETHING ELSE FOR ME TO SKIP! (LOL)

@Crystalclear
Wow. I’m really done with you Crystalclear. you’ve turned this into your own personal defense post. I’ve made my point with you and so have others (Epidemy24 for one). You actually think i care that you post my note I sent you. If you read my previous posts i did mention that I would post it but it really didnt matter. I didnt lie at all. So by all means, post it for your pleasure. I’m sure everyone is tired you by now. And probably me for that matter. Move on sister. Replace the crackhead that left you. But you may need to seek counseling. I can imagine who would waste their time with you. Of course NO photo allows you to give the impression that it’s all good. But we know better.
Peace.

Everyone move on to this article on HB. Women who say they are “thick” but really are just plain FAT. Just type Thick vs Fat in the search and it will come up. It’s another good one. Peace.

@myeyezadoreu:
Get a room? LOL. Wow. That aint happening.
Like i said, go to the Thick vs Fat article. The debate is on.
Peace.

Hey that Lebron James is about to do the thing with Miami !!

“All I have to do is skip past your postings and leave you alone.” I’m just arguing the points and you probably are not reading it because it is to long right? A writer that does not like to read?
I’m not bothering you am I? I’m presenting facts and nobody has given you props in you argument against me except yourself. Hey I didn’t say your name so if you respond then you are reading my posts. Oh she probably will say I have not read your last 6 but I decided to read this one. So Predictable…

This woman has gone from presenting herself as a repectable, writer to being reduced to making up silly raps. WOW That’s what facts do to liars though. But who you are will eventually come out anyway. I’m sure I’m not the first man to tell you that.

P.S. The Lebron thing was so you couldn’t say you just say the first line and realized I was talking to you. No you went down to “READ” the second line. So whats the response of a woman who is not reading my notes? She said all I have to do is leave her alone but her response is going to show that either she is reading it or that she is not reading it and I may be leaving her alone but she just likes to keep mess going?

Which 1?

THIS SHOULD END THE WAR ON SUBMISSION…
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.

Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

—Ephesians 5:22-33

@epidemy24 – I know i shouldve stop responding to her a long time ago..but you’ve made your point also. That’s why i said just let the folks read back from the beginning. It’s clear we’ve been consistent with our posts. You probably more than me even. But it’s clear she’s nose dived rather pathetically since her earlier posts. Nuff said. Peace.

soultry-soul…not only does everyone not subscribe to the Bible, but even those who do (some) know that it was written by men – human men. And then finally, since the scriptures on premarital sex and many many other scriptures that don’t work for men (and some women) are overlooked…its kind of suspect that this particular scripture would be one that MOST of those folks feel should be adhered to so strictly.

I absolutely get what you are saying, these scriptures work wonderfully in my household and I posted them in hopes of clarifying the meaning of submit relating to the Bible. I’ve seen a lot of definitions on this board since I posted 7/16 that did not quite hold the real meaning.

I understand that people retain/preceive words and meanings differently…and I hold nothing against anyone beliefs…

@Jazzy Creations…You’ve made some great points too and you’re right all they have to do is read back. I hope they put this in the archives lol so people can forever see intelligent brothers make valid arguments that were not intelligently addresed.

Hmmm…JAZZY BULLS**TTER…Yeah, play concilatory Now if You want to…But JUST F**K OFF FIRST!

Hmmm…Perfect! Y’all Whiners Do You…And I will continue writing when/where/&how I Wish To! Tell Your Story Walking…Or keep appealing to Your Too FewCrew…Perhaps they’ll Care! (lol)

BTW: While Yall check out the origins of this in the Archives…check out the Poem called “ODE TO AN EPIDEMIC OUT OF CONTROL (July 21, 4:11pm), as well as 2 other past postings where I tried to end the Debate with Dumb Ass Epidemic days ago…On July 20, at 1:20 pm and 3:53pm…Since he seems to think I am on some sort of Vendetta…Nope. Tried to end the debate NICELY and CORDIALLY back on p.18 & p.19…and People can make up their Minds without anybody’s INPUT! That’s to You, JAZZY, aka PROFESSOR ASS WIPE! (LOL)NOBODY NEEDS YOU TO SPEAK FOR THEM…STAND ON YOUR OWN TWO FEET SOLO, ASSWIPE!

I like t look at it like this,if their are rules that can help make peace and understanding and is actually FOLLOWED then I will never see harm in that.Especially when its been proven to work.

are their people who take rules and twist them around for their own benefit and not the benefit for both parties or others ? ABSOLUTELY!!! we see it every day.

HELL, all we have to do is look at what is going on with SHIRLEY SHERROD IN THE NEWS RIGHT NOW.

DISHONEST PEOPLE ,whether it be people who claim to FOLLOW A HIGHER POWER BUT DONT LISTEN,OR PEOPLE IN GENERAL WHO HAVE THEIR OWN SELF AGENDA AND USE OTHERS WILL ALWAYS BE HERE.

But that isnt my concern at all.WHEN YOU SEE PEOPLE WHO WONT LISTEN TO SOMETHING THAT CAN HELP BRING PEACE AND UNDERSTANDING TO EITHER YOURSELF OF OTHERS,their agenda and focus is not caring towards themselves or you.

JUST AS MY FATHER WHO IS ,WAS A MAN,HAS CERTAIN RULES FOR ME TO FOLLOW,HE PUT THEM IN PLACE OUT OF CARE,FOR MY SURVIVAL,BENEFIT,LOVE FOR ME BECAUSE HE SHOWED ME THAT HIS LOVE TOWARDS ME WAS PURE,

So as a woman ,i dont have a problem listening to a man tell me something when its done out of PURE LOVE for the benefit for me and US..just like I dont have a problem listening to a woman with the same agenda.

So the point is,IT DOESNT MATTER IF THE MESSAGE IS COMING FROM A MAN WHEN ITS ALL INCLUSIVE FOR THE BOTH OF US AND ITS FAIR AND EQUAL AND NOT TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT TO BENEFIT ONE SIDE.

THE PROBLEM IN THIS CASE ,ISNT THE MESSAGE, THE PROBLEM IS THE MESSENGER WHEN HE OR SHE TWISTS THE MESSAGE THAT WAS MEANT TO BE HELPFUL…

But a man shouldnt have a problem listening to a woman ESPECIALLY a woman of wisdom if he truly is a man.He shouldnt have a problem with that.listening,learning ,communicating with each other for better understanding,peace and love shouldnt be a problem with anyone.

I cant remember who on hb said this but it made me laugh so hard.

She said something to the fact that a woman doesnt have a problem with submission but AINT NO BODY SUBMITTING TO LIL POOKIE AND THEM…LMMMMMMAAAAAOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

EXACTLY. submission is a two way street if you understand the true meaning of submission that benefits both man and woman and respect and order ..

To COURTNEY R: Hmmm…Powerful statement you wrote there…Couldn’t agree with You more. When there is Balance&Trust in place in a Relatinship, Submission can Naturally Follow…If Not, then Chaos Ensues…

Sorry, typo: Meant to say Relationship…

I think its all quit simple actually CRYSTALCLEARNY,I dont know why people find trying to find common ground,respect,equality,love,romance,loyalty,devotion etc so damn hard. even if you dont know,we can learn if we desire the stability and realness of a relationship with someone..it all comes down to what you want I guess.

I mean,Im strong woman in the correct sense of the word but im also silly,fun ,serious,loving ,a fighter when I have to be. if I have to get down in a way that I have to protect myself,best believe I can.BUt I want a MAN to be a MAN.I recognize that a MAN PLAYS A CERTAIN ROLE WHEN WE COME TOGETHER.THE RIGHT MAN I MUST SAY.HE BRINGS SOMETHING TO THE TABLE THAT I WILL NATURALLY NEVER BE ABLE TO BECAUSE BEING A MAN ISNT MY ROLE.SO I HAVE TO RESPECT THAT.I WANT that strength in a man that I dont have naturally in A HUSBAND when its time for me to have one because both our STRENGTHS work hand in hand for different reasons to make something SPECIAL,UNIQUE AND BEAUTIFUL.I like being a woman,I like being beautiful in the great sense of the word,I like running around and getting my hands dirty as well,challenging myself because im capable as a woman.that doesnt have anything to do with a MAN OR ANYONE ELSE because that benefits me to GROW,LEARN EXPERIENCE LIFE FOR MYSELF.,I like taking care of business but I also like a STRONG MAN by myside as well.Not a metrosexual,a MANS MAN that understands when to take charge when I cant for the betterment of himself and his survival and the betterment of his WOMAN,home and children laying down that foundation,working as a team to ensure CREATING STRONG MINDED,PEACEFUL INDIVIDUALS,compassionate,loving,smart,strong,mentally and physically to protect themselves and the ones they love only getting violent if they have to save their own lives .Meaning also being able to protect themselves.

Basically,I want to raise COMPLETE and whole HUMAN BEINGS not half a human being.AND IF IM WORKING ON MYSELF TO BE THIS WAY BECAUSE I CAME FROM PARENTS THAT WERE THIS WAY,MY EQUAL WILL HAVE TO BE THIS WAY AND NOTHING LESS FOR IT TO REALLY WORK.WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN UNIQUENESS AND WE ALL REQUIRE SOMETHING DIFFERENT AS OUR EQUAL BY THE WAY WE WERE DESIGNED AND RAISED.That means I need to be as WHOLE as a human being and the MAN I go through life with must be WHOLE as well.that way we can bring forth seeds that will come into this world with a better understanding of the Real deal of life and what matters.

Im sorry ,I like starring back at a beautiful MAN who understands his role towards me.A REAL MAN because he will understand that I will except nothing less from him that im bringing to the table.I will be the FIRST AND LAST ,he will understand that.IF NOT ,HE AINT THE ONE… :)

I think that is so tru because everyone has heard if u dont please ur man someone else will lol and that is so true

I got out of my bed to write this post….Yeaaahhhh.. It’s funny cause you wrote about me again and I didn’t even say your name in my last post…… crystalclearNY. So either you read it or I’m still on your mind? I thought you said you were through and tired and done with me and all I had to do is leave you alone and it would be over. So why are you still writing because my post wan’t addressed to you? Oh yeah you read it like I figured you would.

It’s funny because I mention “the archives” in my post to Jazzy and you come back and mention “the archives”…coincedence right? Has to be because you are not reading my post.right? “Epidemic of words”..You sound like Martin talking to Pam. I told you that little girl insults don’t hurt me. And an epidemic affects many individuals in an area. So you are saying my words are affecting many people in this post? But not you right because you don’t care; but wating on the response of person who doesn’t care, is bored with this, and not reading my posts.

You tried to end it cordially? Then end it. Why do you keep responding? Have you forgotten you addresed me first? This all ties back into submission. You want that last word huh? I’m still debating. You address what i say first then i rebuttle so everything you say to or concerning me is a rebuttle. Do you not understand. I have been cordial. I haven’t told you to “kiss my ass” and I haven’t called you dumb like you have to me. If you have no response just say I have no response. I have not said once I’m done or bored but you have. Why then do you continue to write to someone that is boring you and whose posts you don’t read?!?!?

At this point I know you are not a rational person and I don’t expect you to answer just pointing this out so others can see your irrationality and not give anything you say a serious thought.

Did you read this post? How do you know I was talking to you oh yeah you skimmed(didn’t read) it and saw your name….?

Go back to bed Epidemy24 lol Anyways wow 556 comments in 1 week! This article has nothing to do with white women and it hit over 100 comments lol Must be the word submissive that would relate to ww. Anywhoozy, I know ladies it sucks to submit to your man but its the natural order of life. Although I do respect women who wear the pants in the house. I dont have much time to read the whole article but I will say submitting doesn’t have to be a bad thing as long as he doesn’t have any funky ideas lol God made adam n eve not adam n steve, both genders play a different role. From a religious standpoint, it is sinful for a woman to be masculine or the other way around a man to be feminine….*yawn* good night!

I submitted – I was miserable. HE and his ego were happy but I was miserable. I left. Now I am single and happy.

Any man who truly cares about me and my happiness would want me to be in a relationship WITH him, not submit TO him.

Also, compromising is not submitting, that’s compromise. That is not submitting, that is COMPROMISING which many people, of both genders, have issues with. SUBMITTING is to me a very unhealthy practice…unless it’s consensual sex play and than ends after the nut is released.

:)

Tsk, tsk, tsk…IS EPIDEMIC STILL TALKING TO ME? WHAT A WASTE OF TIME…THAT ASSWIPE DOESNT REALIZE BY NOW THAT I’M STILL SKIPPING HIS POSTINGS? DAMN! SOMEBODY EXPLAIN IT TO HIM…I’M DONE! GUESS HIS EGO WONT LET HIM BELIEVE THAT I DONT GIVE A F**K ABOUT A SINGLE WORD…HEY, EPIDEMIC…DID YOU LIKE MY POEM ABOUT YOU? (LOL)

TO EVERYONE ELSE: CHECK OUT THE POEM ABOUT HIS SORRY ASS…I CALL IT…”Ode To An Epidemic Out Of Control”…It’s on page 22, July 21 at 4:11pm…guess he keeps writing to me out of SHEER STUPIDITY…WILL SOMBODY PLEASE GIVE THIS MAN A “HI-FIVE” SO HE CAN FNALLY MOVE ON AND FIND A LIFE! HEY EPIDEMIC, STEP BACK FROM THE KEYBOARD SLOWLY…AND GET A REAL LIFE/AND A REAL WIFE! NOMATTER HOW LONG YOU LET DIARRHEA DRIP FROM YOUR LIPS…I’M STILL SKIPPING YOUR POSTS, DUMBASS! IGNORANCE MUST BE BLISS FOR YOUR SILLY ASS…GO READ YOUR POEM AGAIN! APPARENTLY I’M STILLL STUCK IN YOUR HEAD! (lol) ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER EGO OUT OF CONTROL…SOMEBODY HELP THIS POOR FOOL TO UNDERSTAND THAT I DONT EVEN READ HIS POSTS! DAMN ASSWIPE, WAKE THE F**K UP AND STOP DREAMING ABOUT “CRYSTALCLEAR”…”CRYSTALCLEAR”…(LOL) Tootoo Funny! He IS turning into a Joke A Day! Anybody want to help this Loser OUT…OR AT LEAST HELP MY NAME OUT OF HIS HEAD? (LOL)

Oh my Goodness…HE GOT OUT HIS BED AT 1:38 AM LAST NITE TO WRITE TO ME, AGAIN…OH LORD, THIS FOOL IS OBSESSIVE…I PREDICT THAT HIS NEXT LATE NIGHT RANT WILL BE…AT 2:07 AM TOMORROW NITE…ANY BODY WANT TO GET A BET GOING ON Epidemy’s EPIDEMICS? (LOL)…oh my, oh My…HE IS HILARIOUS!

Picture This: He’s at his computer, 1:30 in the morning…Must not have a Girlfriend/Wife/Fiancee or anything else…Or he’s just ignoring her, to respond to A PERSON WHO DOESNT EVEN READ HIS POSTS! SKIPS RIGHT PAST THEM WHEN I SEE THEM, OR MY NAME IN THEM AT ALL…His significant other (if he has one) Says…”Diarrhea…Are you at that Computer Again? THAT’S IT! I’M DONE!” AND Epidemic just keeps on tap, tap,tapping Away…F**king Hilarious…Guess his EGO wont allow him to believe that I dont read his Posts, Cause He’s Far too F**king Pushy…Perhaps thats why he was Up at 1:30 AGAIN LAST NITE! DAMN! MAYBE I AM A TOUCH PSYCHIC, CAUSE I PREDICTED THAT ONE SEVERAL PAGES AGO…SOMEBODY, PLEASE, GIVE THIS MAN A HIGH FIVE ON “PUTTING ME IN MY PLACE” OR “SUBMISSION” OR WHATEVER…MAKE HIM FEEL LIKE HIS WORDS HAD ANY IMPACT, AT ALL…LOL,LOL,LOL

btw…Check out what O VancouverHurts had to say about EPIDEMIC…and dont forget to check out the POEM I wrote about his sorry Ass at 4:11 pm, on page 22…He deserves IT!

Ms.seriousaboutlife all I can say is how every wrote this is right on the money can this be sent to your phones i wont to send it to some men i know at least i think they will read it and try to comprehend it—-this is right on the money our men have leard how to play the I’ll get you my pretty game-and they all play it the same way some with more game then others —and this makes them feel like it’s easier to be the ass the white man made them then to love us like the higher power want’s them to do to them it’s to much hard work and of course they have help—the white man most the ons wth the real power don’t want to see it happen so they eg them on to so now were in deep troble ladies-one day though one day the hour glass will be fliped over…………

@nubian_urbanite… your quote…

“However, African matriarchal systems lead to the destruction of African civilizations. African women leadership did not / could not protect us from the savagery of the european man – and once white folks became superior to Africans in war (primarily through the invention of the gun and the use of gunpowder) it became clear that the roles needed to be switched”

IS DEAD WRONG!!!!!!

What caused OUR fall was a riff in the camp LONG BEFORE THE EUROPEAN INVADED US!!!

The MALE wanted to take the sacerdotal power of the FEMALE (hence the priest of Amon!) They (Black Men)invaded the holy temples of the Great Blak Mama FIRST!!!! HER suns warred with HER first!!! This is what weakened us and made it EASY for Europeans to Conquer US!!!

The story NEVER told, was that the Black Man entered into a contract with the European called PATRIARCHY!!! This is WHAT CAUSED our FALL! But what you did not know was that contact had a loophole, which caused YOUR enslavement as well…

It was the BLACK MAN that rounded us up and sold us into SLAVERY to the EUROPEAN, especially the BLACK WOMEN WHO REFUSED TO SUBMIT to the new religions of Male Gods and Deities!!!!

Look people, no one is going to liberate us from the shackles of mental slavery but us! We must uncover WHAT happened and WHY!!!

All this bull s**t about submit and all these folks posting these weapons (bible verses) only causes more confusion to WHO WE ARE!!!!!

BLACK WOMEN NEED TO WAKE UP FROM THE SPELL CAST UPON THEM BY MALE DOMINATED RELIGIONS!!!

BLACK MEN NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE TRUE ROLE THEY PLAYED IN OUR FALL!!

You have followed “others” and turned your back on your OWN MOTHERS!!! All to serve a male god who NEVER existed in OUR TRUE existence…

The European gave us HIS GODS to worship in exchange for our mysteries and sciences. This is what caused HIS RISE and OUR FALL!!!

Dig that for your so-called Black Planet……

Once again who told you my bedtime because you keep saying I got out of bed?
Let’s break down your argument once again

Your Post Today: “Anybody want to help this Loser OUT…OR AT LEAST HELP MY NAME OUT OF HIS HEAD? (LOL)”

Your name out of my head hmmm..

I’ve menioned your name once in my previous two posts and this is how many times just today you referenced mine:

1.IS EPIDEMIC STILL TALKING TO ME?
2.”Ode To An Epidemic Out Of Control”
3.HEY EPIDEMIC, STEP BACK FROM THE KEYBOARD
4.ANY BODY WANT TO GET A BET GOING ON Epidemy’s EPIDEMICS?
5.Check out what O VancouverHurts had to say about EPIDEMIC

And O vancouverhurts was just joking because I wrote “I got out of bed to write this post”. I was being sarcastic and she was being funny because her post was over an hour afeter mine. Don’t expect you to understand this however.

The point is you have made up the truth in your head. The truth is simply what you have made yourself believe. A fact is simply what is. Get It? The truth doesn’t change facts, facts change the truth.(Read It Again). So maybe the fact I just presented will change the truth in your head then again I wouldn’t count on it.

Also i’m on central time so whatever time it shows my posts, it was actually an hour earlier here.. Once again I don’t expect you to acknowledge this just pointing out more inconsistencies.

And I don’t have an ego I’m just countering your every point. You have no defense except to curse and write raps about me. I’m thinking about you yet you take the time to write a rap(that rhymed) about me?

And to the forum,all of this is for a reason people. I wan’t to illustrate the unwillingness, in some women, to submission of will. The will to be “right” when all my points show you are not. The will to get the last word when you had the first word. This exchange between myself and crystal clear is a golden opportunity to illustrate the point that many men are trying to make. Some women simply don’t want to submit to the truth, no matter how well you illustrate it.

And I wonder if you respond to this because your name is at the end of this so you are reading my posts to look for your name right?

@Epidemy24 – another great post. Thx for tying it all back in to submission. Peace.

To: SHABLESS05…Thanks for sharing some much needed insight on our historical women of Color! I have been reading you posts steadily since you 1st got in on the Debate…Some other posts, NOT AT ALL…That poor fool is Obsessive about getting My Attention…AND YOU ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? Next…Next in Line, Please…!(LOL)

I’ve been Debating some of the Other New Topics, but I will be Checking Back In On Your Postings, Miss Lady! You taught Me something I didn’t Know, thats for sure…You need to get in on some of these Other Good Topics too, if You have the Time! Peace.

OH LOOK…HE GOT HIS “HI-FIVE” FROM JAZZY…AWWW, ISN’T THAT CUTE! IT DOESN’T SURPRISE THAT JAZZY IS HIS BIGGEST FAN…HERE IS THE FULL & COMPLETE CONTENT OF THE NOTE THAT JAZZY SENT ME ON JULY 19,TH at 8:25pm, ON MY BP PAGE…THIS IS HIS BIGGEST SUPPORTER: THE NOTE READS:

you are so full of shyt its ashame. On here talkin about who aint on no BS…but here you are stating all that drama…and dont have the decency to post a photo of yourself.now so how many men would you be interested in if you didnt see what they look like and theyre wife left to so whatever now you say smoke crack like that s**t is the norm.If that aint scaring the hell out of most men i dont know what is.Let me know when you meet that Cool One.Miracles do happen. AND HE HAD THE NERVE TO END THIS SILLY ASS NOTE WITH THE WORD…peace.

P.S. – All of the mistakes in grammar, punctuation and sentence structure are brought to You courtesy of JAZZY CREATIONS…This is some of his best “Creations”…(LOL)

I’m outta Here…Let those two keep dropping postings that ABSOLUTELY NOBODY IS READING…Catch everybody else on another debate, another day…Peace!

P.S. CHECK OUT THAT POEM I COMPOSED ON THAT OBSESSIVE PSUEDO-POLITICIAN…(YOU ALL KNOW WHO!) ON PAGE 22, AT 4:11 PM! It is called “Ode to An Epidemic Out Of Control” and shows clearly why this topic of “Submission” is such a SoreSpot for him (as am I, and my refusal to acknowledge his posts). OH WELL…SO BE IT!

@crystalclear. I said i was done with you, but i guess not. Happy to see you posted the note i sent you. Mistakes in grammar, punctuation and structure is all good, but the point is clear.

I find it interesting that you saved my note word for word, but you’ve already updated your personal message since I sent you that note. It’s all good again. I can still make my point with your edited version just as easily as i did with your previous one a few days go.

Here’s your personal message:
HELLO BLACK PLANET: DAMN, THAT SOUNDS GOOD! MY NAME IS CRYSTAL, I AM A SBF WHO DIVIDES MY TIME BETWEEN WORKING ON MY MANUSCRIPT (TITLE: “SLIDING DOWN SUGAR HILL”) & CHASING AFTER MY TWO ADORABLE TODDLERS (AGES 4 AND 2 ). THEIR FATHER WENT HIS OWN WAY TO SMOKE CRACK, BECOME IRRESPONSIBLE, AND CHASE WOMEN WITH LOOSER MORALS THAN MINE, JUST ABOUT A YEAR AGO AFTER BEING TOGETHER FOR OVER 12 YEARS (DAMN SHAME…TRUE STORY)…AND NOW I AM TRANSITIONING AGAIN…AND INTERESTED IN NETWORKING WITH SMART, PROFESSIONAL INDIVIDUALS OF ALL SOCIO-ECONOMIC BACKGROUNDS & NATIONALITIES. IN ADDITION TO COMPLETING MY MANUSCRIPT, I ALSO HAVE WRITTEN SEVERAL EDGY, CONTEMPORARY POEMS, AS WELL AS A SHORT STORY ENTITLED “ON PARKSIDE: BRADHURST AVENUE BASICS”. I BELIEVE IN SPIRITUALITY & GOD…BUT AM NOT UPTIGHT OR PREACHY ABOUT IT…I LIKE COOKING, WATCHING DVD MOVIES, AND GOING TO THE PARK W/MY 2 TODDLERS…BUT I WANT MORE IN MY LIFE THAN JUST BEING A FULL TIME MOM…LOOKING TO ESTABLISH A LITTLE BALANCE IN MY LIFE BETWEEN THE NUMEROUS RESPONSIBILITIES I CARRY ON MY PLATE…AND AM OPEN TO MEETING A WORLD OF INTERESTING PEOPLE TO NETWORK WITH. MY PERSONAL PHYSICAL STATS ARE AS FOLLOWS: 5’8″, 160-165 LBS, HONEY/CARAMEL/CINNAMON SKINTONE, LONG LEGS, BROWN HAIR, AND INTENT, PIERCING BROWN EYES…ONLY SERIOUS INDIVIDUALS WHO PRIDE THEMSELVES ON BEING HONEST, UPFRONT, SINCERE, ARE EMPLOYED AND HAVE THEIR S–T TOGETHER NEED APPLY! WATCH YOURSELF!! (LOL) PEACE OUT…

You claim to be here for networking purposes only. Really? So in order to network you feel the need to describe yourself in detail. Is this to help sell your book? Most people never know what an author looks like or even care. You’re also asking only those who have “their shyt together need apply”. Really? Apply for what? The ex wife of a crackhead? You’re using the word “network” to meet men. Just admit that. If not you wouldnt care if anyone had their shyt together or not, just buy your book. And last but definitely not least you have NO PHOTO. So really who are you fooling. Not me and I’m sure no one else.

You are a bitter woman currently obsessed with trying to make a point that even if you could you’ve clouded this room with so much non-sense who would even think you can make a valid point.

We’ve demonstrated over and over that you cant. Just read epidemy24 last few posts.

For every comment that you claim your not reading (by epidemy24) you have 2,3, and 4 replies. I mean come on. Really? Is it really that serious for you? Do you think any intelligent person here is agreeing with you. Maybe they dont agree with me..but they cleary dont agree with you.

In closing, I’m beginning to think that your ex husband isnt the crackhead at all. It’s YOU! So I suggest you return the laptop you stole from Rent-A-Center and leave us the hell alone. PEACE!

JAZZY…KEEP SUCKING HIS ASS…AND LEARN HOW TO WRITE BETTER TOO…

BTW…JAZZY…How long did it take to hunt&peck my whole BP Page…? (lol) Thats another hour and a half of your Life that you cant get back! Everybody who wants to see My Page has already seen it..Including You…and I am not on BP for dating purposes, SO WHO CARES EXCEPT YOU? WASTE TIME, MUCH? Apparently, So…You’d be better off investing that time in some Grammar Classes…Straight Back to Junior High English Lit Class For You! Hurry…Maybe you can actually learn to form a complete sentence, this time!

Hmmm…YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME WORRYING ABOUT WHETHER I AM INTERESTED IN DATING OR NOT, HMMM, JAZZY? SAD…THIS IS YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO UPLIFT PEOPLE OF COLOR,HUH…? (LOL) SAYS A LOT ABOUT YOU…

@Crystalclear – Im not the so-called “writer”. You are but I guess you forgot that as well.

You refuse to be submissive? or are you waiting for the right man to come along? and if he does, what are you really bringing to the table at this point? Let’s try to bring this back to the subject at hand. Peace.

@crystalclearNY
I find it funny that you claim how much time I’m wasting here, but you’re clearly wasting more time anyone. But I guess you can’t see that as well. But i’m sure everyone else can.
You talk about contribution to uplift people. hmmm..interesting you would say that. I’m sure for those who are willing to take the time to read back will see that you “clearly” resorted to name calling first as you were being exposed for the fraud that you are. You succ**bed to the pressure sweetie and now you’re sinking in the sea all alone drowning slowly but surely in your own misery. Not one woman has jumped in to your defense!

The other sad part here is that you’re bitter and you’re looking for sympathy. That’s why you’re so willing to admit that your husband left you to smoke crack and chase loose women. Of course any of us would feel sorry for you. It’s only natural. But after how you’ve conducted yourself here, we have to wonder if he didnt jump off a bridge as well. You’re crazy. You cant possibly expect us to believe that story as it is now. Clearly you have left something out. Obviously your ex husband isnt here to defend himself. But he appears to have gotten off easy. 10 or 12 years with you..bless his heart.
Like Epidemy24 said “you must have the last word” so proceed to ridicule yourself further. Peace.

shabless05, Interesting post….

I beg to ask you then…

What exactly is the role of the black man and woman in regard to each other???

Tsk,tsk,tsk…You spend a lot of time worrying about Me…You keep doing that, If You Wish. It’s A Free World, babe…So BE It!

To MS Merising: Many men skip over that post you put up…But it is QUITE TRUE…Without balance in a relationship, submitting can never work. Who wants to submit to someone who no longer has your best Interests at Heart…? Nobody, thats who…

TO JAZZY…It says a whole Lot about You that the LONGEST, most passionate contribution that you made to this Blog was typing up my BP Page (LOL)…Way to go, JAZZY…! That Really Showed Me, huh…? Also shows what your Priority on this blog Is! Now write an even longer EPIC about that! Maybe your Hero will give You A HIGH-FIVE…(giggle)

@Califemme23 – Great question to Shables05. Im eager to hear the response. Peace.

JazzyCreations, Same here…

I find it awfully interesting for a lesbian to stomp tall regarding black men and women…Spoke on what the initial PROBLEM was between the two and all that…

I now want to know IF shabless05 actually has a great solution or some kind of advice on how we should operate at this point…

Other than that, she just comes across as ANOTHER man hating,angry lesbian….So please, do correct me in my humble assumptions…

@Califemme23, that’s an easy one…

Support and uplift! WE were NEVER created to bow down and submit onto anything or anyone but ourselves. He is supposed to guard and protect her by any means necessary. He was never born to dominate and control her, but support her. Everything on this planet is feminine. It is SHE who gives birth to life and HE is supposed to guard and protect it. She is the walking mystery and it is he that protects it. Simple ain’t it?

Once we remember that and live by that, we will flip this planet on its axis!!!

To: Shabless05…Thanks for sharing that Info about some Eye Opening Black Literature…I’ve already got my eye on 2 of those titles…The Great Cosmic Mother, and the Dark Goddess. Any other Good Info you have to Share? Do Tell, sister…Do tell…

I find it quite interesting when a woman, especially a BLACK WOMAN, uses degrading comments and labels given by white oppressors to define a sister who is complete in herself. I am no man hater, nor man eater, nor a co-dependent individual who seeks approval from anyone. When white women stand up for their sense of purpose and self worth, very rarely do you find other white women oppose her, they unite. But when it comes to black women, we’re our own worst enemy.

All I ask is for Black Women to dig and do the research into THEIR OWN STORY, and not define themselves by words written by their conquerors…

Have you ever sat and conversed with our elder mothers who are not under the spell of these religions that have enslaved us?

Have you ever researched your ancestry or bloodline and found out what your people where like before slavery?

Before you try to attack me with your insidious remarks and ridiculous accusations, try to ask yourself this one question… Who were we before our fall?

shabless05, Mmmmm, I think A LOT of women don’t really know what ‘submit’ means…

Men are the natural born leaders. If they are supposed to protect and guard, that goes with saying we, women, have to let them do so. Submitting to your man has nothing to do with control or him dominating. It is simply the woman being the nurturer, the heart,the core of the home and family..And that man being the head of it…

That is how things these days have become so very twisted among black couples. No one stays in their place, no one exacts their role in the relationship…

I swear, the women’s movement was the worst thing to ever happen to the black relationship…

I would have no trouble submitting to someone that was worthy of my love. BUT, to submit to some fool that still runs around, doesn’t know where he’s going and thinks he’s going to live off me and tell me what to do ain’t happening. I have met men that may want a wife,
slave, servant, baby having, and working and keeping the house clean while they do nothing to add to the union. Talk is cheap when you are in her position and if she isn’t keepingsome of that money she makes from her show, she is truly a fool for her man. This life changes daily, often and suddenly and women better be ready to take care of themselves. I don’tknow what would possess her to write something like this. If this works for her, I’m happy and she should be able to make it work. This is her 3rd ’till death do us part.’

@crystalclearNY

There are quite a few books out there about the Great Mothers Story written by women of ALL colors. But very few are accepted by Black Women because we will uphold our oppressors religions before we ever think to challenge them.

Do a search for:

Dr. Suzar Epps
Mama Zogbe
Dr. Jewel Pookrum
Dr. Delbert Blair
Luisah Teish

There is even a sister name Nubia Warforld

who is doing major research in the Sudan about our great mama matriarchs. the shift is taking place, its all about alignment. one thing for sure it will happen with us or without us…

Peace

shabless05, Ahhh there you have me wrong my dear…

There are a few people on this very site who KNOW me very well, and also know that I am all about uplifting and most definitely awareness.

In your previous post, you just pointed out all that was WRONG between black men and women…The black man selling the black woman into slavery etc…

Mind you, you didn’t come off with your last post directed at me which spoke to a solution. Which spoke to how the two are supposed to thrive amongst themselves.

Now I didn’t label you at all, nor did I degrade you…Read it again…My exact words were asking you to clarify the roles, (which you really didn’t do but I digress), and other than that question being answered in some truth or positivity, you just seemed like you were spewing instead of informing.

But, I shall answer your questions in full…

Yes, I have spoken with and LEARNED from many strong black women who do know our past as women. I personally follow NO RELIGION, because I agree 100% with you in that it was all written and FORCED upon us by our oppressors. He who destroys, can not therefore come back to teach…bluntly…Screw religion…

Yes again, I have done A LOT of research, (still doing it right today), on just who we were pre-slavery. I have two daughters myself and I don’t want them to grow up thinking that the only black women in history are Oprah Winfrey and Harriet Tubman. I think ALL of us should be more in tune with who we were as Kings and Queens, self sufficient, creative, intelligent black people back then, in order to promote positive images and knowledge of who we are and should still be.

Once again, I don’t think I attacked you, but if you feel that way, my apologies. I have always asked and done my best to find out who we were before our fall….I am humble enough to say that I am still learning…

I find it uplifting and extremely important to know all we can, as black women, about the women that came before us. I would never advise any black person to take the white man’s frame of history as truth. I would never advise any black person to take what religion says as absolute truth either, because it all came from the minds of ignorant men..(no offense fellas)…

But another thing I do know is that the black man and woman were meant to be together. We were meant to prosper and be pro-creative on this planet. NONE of us would be here without BOTH OF THEM as one. There is no other civilization that could have thrived or come into existence without the BLACK MAN AND WOMAN…

Anyone who thinks that there should be divide in the black relationship is destructive and should be ignored by those of us with good sense.

no, the worst thing to happen to black people was PATRIARCHY… and i was referring to your comments made to Jazzy Creations about me… but it is what it is. the ancestors have returned, and in time this all will be done.

ASHE!

Not agreeing with submission does not mean that we don’t know what it really is. For most, it means that we DO know what it is and we disagree with it. Submission is a choice and I would never try to convince a submissive woman to be progressive, but for whatever reason, submissive women continually try to convince progressive women that we must not be looking at submission the right way. If we were, then we’d naturally agree with them. Everyone gets what submission and what it means….and MsMesiring is correct, submission is not the same as compromise. And the fact that this submission campaign is directed at women is the first clue. Compromise takes two. The compromise to submit to someone is just conformity. Not a crime; just a reality.

And to Shabless05…what is the difference in your theory that women are more valueable and above men than the men here thinking that men are more valueable and above women? Its this “upper hand” issue that is causing the problems. Your description sounds a lot like you want it both ways. He has to be all those traditional things and protect all women have and do, but all women have to do is walk around being regal and creating life. It brings up an image of men being a valet to the superstar Queen sista. It goes against the argument that we are all equal humans equally committed to each other and what we can build together.

NunyaBidniz, You are using the word submission in exact opposition to being progressive…

that right there lets me know that some of you don’t understand what it means to be submissive…

Do you see the negative connotation you put on it? submissive in regard to progressive? You make them opposites as if to say a submissive woman isn’t progressive as well….

THE ANCESTORS HAVE RETURNED???? ARE THEY CHILLIN AT YO CRIB??

ok, check this… there is NO ONE TO SUBMIT TO BUT YOURSELF!!! You all could define it whatever way you like, if you are submitting onto something else other than yourself, you are setting yourself up for a FALL….

dayum…

@neva1betta

YOU DAYUM RIGHT! Better contact yours…

shabless05, another question….

Do you feel as if black men and women are the natural order of things?

Don’t you think that relationship is what originated our world?

Do you think the world could continue without it?

Im all for the sisters being aware of our strength as women. But at the same time black men are our true counterparts and we must strive and learn to embrace that FACT and make it work for our collective advance…

I have to say that SHABLESS05 is correct as far as history goes about women being leaders of civilization.My mom gave me a book on Egyptian QUEENS,LEADERS AND GODDESSES and they did.Its the only book that I have that focuses on women during this era but its true. I do believe today that the cooperation of both men and women today is needed.equally needed helpful to one another not trying to rule over one another.thats not what its about.

SHABLESS05 just brought it back to the real.Thank you for speaking on it because your right about were we come from.I suppose this is were we truly get our strength that many men cant understand.its embreeded in us.that allure,strength,beauty,leadership that we do have.We just dont really know. We are all beautiful and come from a rich history. :)

Hmmm…So, SHABLESS 05…What are your thoughts on the Lack of Male Heads of Households in many families of Color? Here in NY, that is a HUGE problem…Any thoughts about that? We could use some more good info out here in NY…It’s Sodom & Gomorrah out here, True Story! I have to watch my children’s backs like a Shark&a Hawk all rolled up into One to protect Mines, cause my husband disappeared…Any thing you have to Share, sister, to add to My Strength/Vision/&Focus…? Do Tell…

Uh oh, I see the women’s movement has begun! LOL

Once more, what you all don’t seem to get is this..

Submission does not mean inequality in the relationship/union between a man and woman…It is simply recognizing the roles in regards to the two…

In these times, submit only means for the woman to be aware of the man’s role. Don’t try to ‘wear the pants’ with him, don’t take away from his manhood and vice versa for him. Respect his leadership and he yours.

Black women especially have gotten ‘strong black woman’ confused with being loud mouthed, spouting that ‘I’m independent and I don’t need a man’ rhetoric. Maybe the word shouldn’t be submit..maybe it should simply be respect…

NOW, ima be 2 damn real for a min….i believe everyone has the right to their opinion…but when u start trying to push religion to the back and act like it doesnt exist, or the bible is BS..AND WHAT NOT…YOU’RE HIGHLY MISTAKEN…now i think some ppl are against religion because it goes against your lifestyle..thats the REAL REASON, many ppl not some…dont give a damn about religion/god whatever else…now @ shabless….it’s like this what came first the chicken or the egg…clearly it had to be the damn chicken…its the same way with men and women…there wouldnt be ANY WOMEN IF it wasnt for a man…to go from talking about submitting to a man…to WOMEN HAVING POWER…HOW DID IT GET HERE?? I MEAN, HAVING POWER TO DO WHAT?? any human being on this earth can have power…but it doesnt mean s**t when THERES A HIGHER POWER…IS THAT UNDERSTOOD….NOW I MEAN, OF COURSE UD GO AGAINST THE GRAIN…AND NOT CARE ABOUT SUBMITTING TO MAN..BECAUSE CLEARLY URE PLAYING A OPPOSITE ROLE ANYWAY….NOW IM NOT JUDGING…BUT AT THE SAME TIME…DON’T TRY TO TAKE CREDIT AWAY FROM SOMETHING THAT EXISTED LONGER THAT U HAVE…NONE OF US EVER LIVED BACK WHEN KINGS AND QUEENS EXISTED,SO WHO R WE TO KNOW WHAT THEY REALLY LIVED LIKE??…SO U 2 R JUST READING WHAT SOMEONE ELSE THREW TOGETHER…SO IF THE BIBLE IS BULL TO U…THEN THAT CRAP SHOULD BE TO….THAT’S WHY S**T IS OUT OF ORDER IN THE WORLD NOW…TO MANY PPL WANNA SIT RELIGION/BIBLE ON THE BACK BURNER BECAUSE…IT IS THE TRUTH…WHETHER MANY OF US WANNA BELIEVE IT OR NOT

Ummm, I’m gonna leave this forum alone at this point….I’m about to be on some ‘other’ type discussion in regards to certain people and I don’t want to come off as unfair, offensive or close-mind…

I will say this though…The womens movement was a disaster for the black relationship…

And I really don’t think we heterosexual black women should be asking a lesbian female for advise, education or knowledge on the subject of the male/female relationship being is that she doesn’t even live the life herself. Evidentally she finds something ‘not right’ about it, or she would be doing it herself.

I mean, would I really ask a white person how to be black?

Hmmm…CALIFEMME23…Most people know that Submission and Inequality are two entirely different states…What about when the Leadership qualities of the Man/Head of the household has been Eroded&Stripped Away by “Outside Interests” of some other Kind…Interests that are NOT in the Best Interests of the Family Unit? Then What…? Would You still advocate continuing to respect & abide by His Leadership?

Hmmm…As far as I’m concerned, that sister is sharing some good/interesting/thought provoking Information, in a calm, cool manner…And I will continue to read her posts and ask any questions I choose to the woman. Why dismiss her thoughts simply because she is Gay/Lesbian/Whatever…So far, her facts and info are Good. Better than some of the stuff put up by Others, thats for Sure! (LOL)

crystalclearNY, LOL…Ofcourse not. I’m sure we all have enough sense to choose someone who has those positive and progressive qualities that our mate should have…

It’s ridiculous for anyone to think or assume that I’m saying stay in the relationship, submit to him no matter what…Nah not at all…You do that when both people involved are worthy…

If you aren’t getting what you want, things aren’t working out…Keep it pushin….

thank you Courney, i’ve been swinging this sword for a very long time and my edges are still sharp… as for your questions miss califemme23.

if you want to find the natural order of things just look at the universe. go outside and have a visit with nature and watch and see who does what…

everything is relative…

now, if men are such natural born leaders, then why is the planet so f**ked up? and above all, where in the hell are they leading us to?

As for them protecting us…hell, that’s a joke in itself.

Mama always held it down, past, present and future. Not saying she can’t use the help, but with or without it, MAMA holds it all together.

we call on MAMA and MAMA is always there, even when the father is absent… which is most of the time.

We live on Mother Earth
No one fools with Mother Nature
We want to go to the Mother Land

But we all submit to this “Father” god, and his son…
Why has the feminine principle been removed and WHO removed it???

I’ve never been a follower and I’ve NEVER went along with any group, organization or crowd because I AM COMPLETE.

Everything you see in existence came forth from in between the legs of a BLACK WOMAN, and when this planet implodes on itself it will be SHE who is left standing to start the process all over again…

why is it that we are finding remains of Black Women in Africa that are over 5 million years old???? where is her consort??? where are his remains???? where was her relationship? how did she procreate?

Dr. Delbert Blair goes into great detail about the early humans of this planet, you should check it out…

Until Black People recognize that WE have been cast under a SPELL and need to wake up to OUR TRUE DIVINE ORDER, we will NEVER rise to our true place, not only on this planet, but in the UNIVERSE…

You want a solution? Define yourself. You want to see who really has the power? Close your legs, then wait and see who crumbles first…

Sisters you are divine, stop trying to define yourself by European standards and religions. All its doing is creating a larger divide between all of us.

this is beginning to bore me now… i think i’ve said plenty on this matter. i stand where i stand, and you stand where you stand. so be it…

crystalclearNY, I agree….If the message is good, then nevermind the messenger. I can learn from anyone…

And most of what she has said, I am already aware of. I do A LOT of reading up on history, especially our ancestors, because they lived much better than we probably ever will…

Now what I will not learn from a homosexual is the proper way in which to operate in a relationship with a man. To date, there has not been any doc*umented case of a homosexual civilization or society throughout history, (including that of the woman), that has thrived and progressed…That would be impossible…That is one thing our ancestors did not do…And if they did, NONE of us would be here…

Hmmm…I hear you, CALIFEMME…I’d rather “submit” Myself to being a Devoted Mother, fully focused on raising my little ones to Adulthood, than ever “submit” to another Man, again, without Long/Deliberate/Careful Consideration first…

shabless05, LMAO….I see you didn’t answer my questions at all..

Do you think the world could continue WITHOUT the black man and black woman as a whole??

You didn’t touch on that one….Understood…lol

crystalclearNY, I agree sister wholeheartedly…

You focus on those babies, they need every ounce of strength you have. And by all means, never give up on our black men, there are GREAT ones out there that have your best interest at heart…As I’ve said many times, I was raised by the best ones, father, grandfather, uncles etc…

We as people, make mistakes in relationships, it is to be expected…Don’t let that determine you over all, and never let it turn us on each other…

We, black people are the creators, originators…That is the message I give my daughters…

well Califemm23, since i’m a lesbian and you have such strong opinions about me, according to you i’m not qualified enough to answer your question…

but to humor you as well as myself… here’s my answer

the world would not survive without us (black women and men) because we’ve become food for all races to eat off of… i’m sure the world is licking their chops watching us go back and forth on such a foolish, incredibly exhausting diatribe…

roflmlbao! – rolling on the floor laughing my lesbian black ass off!

shabliss05 said: “now, if men are such natural born leaders, then why is the planet so f**ked up? and above all, where in the hell are they leading us to?

As for them protecting us…hell, that’s a joke in itself.

Mama always held it down, past, present and future. Not saying she can’t use the help, but with or without it, MAMA holds it all together.

we call on MAMA and MAMA is always there, even when the father is absent… which is most of the time.”

NEGATIVITY AT ITS BEST! You can’t uplift the black woman, and in the same breath put down the black man…They are our counterpart…

You then are no better than the oppressor who does the same…

oh well, it is what is. like i said, this is boring me now. you can continue to get yours off, i’m done.

Peace out ya’ll!

well MY FATHER WAS PRESENT…SO I KNOW WHAT A ” REAL BLACK MAN” is about, and i will never try to take credit away from a black man who deserves it……

shabless05, You aren’t qualified to give advise on the intermingle of the man and woman…Your lifestyle speaks in direct opposition.

And I don’t have an opinion of you at all. If you read back, I gave you much credit on your wanting to uplift black women with knowledge of self and history. I think that is a beautiful thing.

All I said was, you aren’t the person to listen to when it comes to heterosexual relationships because you don’t indulge in them, and you don’t live the life. I wouldn’t dare spew any advise to a homosexual because that’s not my thing, it isn’t my place to speak on it as such. And from your last post to me, you know, the one where you said you were bored right before you posted to me again? You make it very clear that you have no respect for the male as it were.

Your first post to me says men are supposed to protect and guard us…then you turn around and say….”As for them protecting us…hell thats a joke in itself…”

I don’t even have to continue on with you, your own exposure speaks for itself…

You know, CALIFEMME…She’s telling the Truth about Fathers being Absent in their Children’s Lives…It may be a bitter Truth…but it is a Reality in many households all across this country, hard though it may be to Accept. That is not downing the Black Man…Even the statement about the destruction of our Planet at the Hands of “Men” in Charge of Countries & Kingdoms, is also a bitter Truth…I do believe that Women are Capable of doing Much Better in terms of Preserving what Natural Resources we have left upon this Planet. Our very nature is to Create/Nurture/& Protect…Not saying that a Male is Not Necessary , at all…But we Nurture…Men create Wars…look around You, turn on the Nightly News…Their destruction & devastation is Everywhere…Now, even the Family Unit is not Safe from their destructive Ways. Not trying to Argue with You, sister…Just stating my opinion…

Neva1betta, LOL!! All we have to do is give a mofo the ROPE, they will hang themselves…Or get tired trying…

Hmmm…Well, you did say that “Other than that, she just comes across as a bitter, man hating Lesbian…” a couple of pages back…Anyway, you both made some Interesting/Eye Opening comments…

crystalclearNY, You’re right…There should be many more males in the household for those children and women…BOTH parties male and female need to ‘step up’ collectively.

The only problem I have is generalizations against the black man and woman. I don’t make them, because I haven’t met everyone to do so. For every black man that is cast out as a deadbeat, I can think of or I personally know of those that take damn good care of their kids, even some that are single fathers.

You are right again…Men do create wars…WHITE MEN…Black men are in no institutional place of power to do such a thing. In history, the bulk of wars that had to do with black people were due to protecting themselves, defending against the European. Did Obama start the war in Iraq? NO..Did Colin Powell start a war? NO..Is there or has there ever been a black man in a position of power that created a war?

Destruction is the white man’s game…He has been playing it since the beginning of time, he is still doing it right today, only he has gotten slicker…He has taken it psychologically and it seems to be working…

uh no… maybe i’m NOT done yet….

if we are going to quote lets quote correctly… i said they are SUPPOSED to PROTECT, but the majority of them DON’T!!!! That’s the joke.

If you all want to war with me all day, lets do it. Let’s go back and forth until black planet shuts us down. what else you want to know? what other questions do you have for me to answer? how much rope do you want to feed me? how many fingers do you have left to point? go and gather who ever validates your opinions. i’ll stand here alone, holding my ground. men love to see a cat fight, lets give them what they crave.

white people love to see us hate on each other, lets’ entertain them as well. lets reach in the depths of our souls and kill one another with our words. what else do we have to loose? we’ve given it all up already…

so come on black women. let’s show the world we could hate one another more than we could ever support one another. let’s give them what they want, for FREE!!!

Hmmm…You make some valid points…But white Men are not in Political Power in many countries in Africa…they are in charge of Some African Countries, but Not All…Yet even countries being led by Men of Color are at war…Look at the slaughter of people of Color, by people of Color, in the Sudan, in Liberia, and others…That, too, is undeniable. Again, not saying Men are not necesary & should not be the Head of the Family Unit…But where I live, many Men have voluntarily given up that Title to go out in the Streets, In Search Of…

crystalclearNY, “Hmmm…Well, you did say that “Other than that, she just comes across as a bitter, man hating Lesbian…” a couple of pages back…Anyway, you both made some Interesting/Eye Opening comments…”

Oh yes indeed I did say just that, because it was truth. Check her last 2 posts to me. She can’t even speak about a black man positively. She didn’t answer the questions I asked her about how would society flourish without the black man and woman together….She had no response for that. She pointed out every negative thing about men, and not ONE positive…She can’t bring herself to give credit to the black relationship as it is supposed to be…

See when I speak about OUR people, I speak on us as a whole…I never put one down to shine light on the other…Both parts are needed for us to progress collectively and people like her don’t do that goal any justice…She is a lesbian, obviously she has something against being with men…So in that regard, she gets no attention or validation….

crystalclearNY, Ahhhh but you are mistaken…Trust and believe there are white fingertips and influence and POWER raging through those countries in Africa that are at conflict.

There are too many ‘riches’ in Africa for white people to be sitting back just watching! You see how America operates? It is run by white men and constantly with their dirty hands in EVERY other country they can get something from. And mind you, the USA doesn’t ask for it nicely…

Don’t ever be fooled into thinking that the African just woke up one day and decided to battle amongst themselves…European influence bears a strong hold on many countries.

and for the record, i was married for ten years. i have a beautiful daughter going into her 3rd year in one of the tops schools in this country. so for anyone to say i am not qualified to discuss relationships really needs to check themselves because i have more experience in relationships with men as well as women.

you see, i could talk about this all day. it really puzzles me when black woman want to judge me, and black man want to sneak in my back door. after these post, more black men have been trying to talk to me then ever before. why is that? its because i’m complete and they LOVE THAT!

sister, you have no idea who i am and what i have been through. you probably went to my page, say a few pics and summed me right on up. not once, did you ask me about myself. you just assumed! that right there is sad….

so yes, i am VERY qualified to discuss relationships, marriage, divorce, children and anything else you wish to throw my way. i’ve walked on this planet for 43 years, and i plan on walking it another 43 more. so please don’t get it twisted, if you want to discuss anything with me woman to woman, then we could do that. but when you think you have me all figured out, thats when you crossed over into waters you have never swam in.

like i said, here i stand. we could do this all night.

Hmmm…You Are Right About That One…Again, I believe that Women Could Do So Much Better As Stewards & Protectors of Our Planets/&Countries Natural Resources…This instinct for destuction, rather than Creation, is bankrupting our Planet! Perhaps not now, in Our Lifetime…But I shudder for Future Generations! Continued war & battles over Resources is definitely NOT the Answer. Nothing wil run out in Our Lifetimes…when that s**t hits the Fan we will all be Dust by then…IT’s our children, and their children who will Suffer the Consequences of Today’s actions…

shabless05, I’m flattered now….The topic itself ‘bores’ you, but yet Mardria, (yes thats my name), keeps bringing you back!

Don’t front my dear…If you really want to continue the discussion please do so. No need for phoney arrogance, like you have no business fraternizing or discussing points with other people on here. I do respect your approach in educating our women about themselves and ancestors. You have even dropped a few names that I must check into as well..I thank you for that…But you must uplift as a WHOLE….

I have no problem disagreeing with anyone. What I take issue with is the negative generalizations put on my people by one of our own…True the woman is the ROCK of the home, but she isn’t supposed to do it alone. I don’t ever want any of my sisters thinking that men are non sequitor in our lives. That is what helps push our men elsewhere…

Hmmm…SHABLESS…I asked a question of You back on page 24…at 7:38 pm? Could use an answer, if you dont Mind…?

LOL. Wow.. I come in from the barbershop to this?

@Califemme23- I think you got this covered. I’m a sit back on this one. I need a break.

shabless05, Although you are bored…I’ll humor you again..

I never went to your page and summed you up. I don’t do that. A page on here is just that…a SMALL part of a person. I don’t know you, but I did go off of the only thing I could…Your posts here.

Now you say you are qualified to speak on relationships between men and women…How so? Your failed marriage? See I don’t want a divorced person to tell me how to make it work, I want someone who IS married to give me some insight if you will.

I say again, I am taking nothing from you personally, but what facts exist..You were married and now you are a lesbian, so obviously something about a man/woman intermingle doesn’t sit well with you, so how can you be informative at this point?

If I started dating white men exclusively, there is no way I could step to a group of sisters who date black men, and tell them what to do about it. Could I? Especially not if I tried black men and it didn’t work…That’s simple logic…

JazzyCreations, LOL…ey, I just wanted some clarity from the sister….

I’m quite sick of our people being broken apart by other races, let alone others that have changed lifestyle and now feel that its their duty to enlighten the rest of us HALF WAY…

Hmmm…To : SHABLESS 05…Well, looks like You Ladies are about to go off on a side topic…But if You get a chance to Respond back to my earlier Question, I appreciate you taking the Time. Nite Ladies…I’ve got chores to Do…

Even though shabliss05 stated that she was bored…she turned around and said..”We can do this all night”…

Hmmmmm, don’t let me get to going on about CONFUSION! LOL

Nyte crystalclearNY…I need to be gettin my dinner going as well…its now 6pm where I am….

@califemme.. I like the last passage you wrote about respect and sharing.Its a good thing ..and we can all agree and argue and not agree and still be respectful.and we all for the most part are doing a really god job of that. :)

@ shabless05.. by all means like cali said..keep spreading what you know because not only is it interesting, its apart of all of us and we should at least know about and discuss..when I dont know much about a certain topic,I sit back and shut up :) Im going to sit back and read the knowledge that you are dropping about the QUEENS AND GODDESSES.It can only help us and help us how we treat and talk to each other as WOMEN..BUT I CANT DOWNPLAY THE MANS ROLE AS WELL.IF IT WASNT FOR MY FATHER FOR BEING AS STRONG AS HE WAS AND KEEPING US ABOVE WATER,I DONT KNOW IF I WOULD BE HERE AND ULTIMATELY GIVING HIS LIFE AND CHANGING MY MOTHERS GOLDEN YEARS BECAUSE OF IT.THEIR ARE ALOT OF MEN WHO HAVE GIVEN THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE.AND I KNOW THIER ARE OTHER MEN OF THIS CALIBER OUT HERE AND WE NEED TO HELP SHOW THEM WHAT THEY TRULY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE TO WOMEN.with all due respect to you.But I understand what you mean about the BLACK WOMAN AND WERE SHE TRULY COMES FROM.AND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO TEACH FOR US TO SEE US IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT.ALMOST LIKE WE ARE ELITE GROUP OF WOMEN. FORM HISTORYS STANDPOINT .

You are doing a good thing..

And I dont think anyone should really question anyones experience because that experience is real and its unique to each of us what we go through.

But I dont know about anyone else.BUT IM REALLY PROUD TO SEE THAT THIS ARTICLE HAS 628 AND COUNTING POSTS from both MEN AND WOMEN just trying to figure it all out.but for the most part,we been respectful towards one another.thats a beautiful thing..we can of course agree and disagree .we are not going to see everything the same and eye to eye.BUT WE CAN LEARN FROM EACH OTHERS EXPERIENCES. WE JUST GOT TO REMEMBER THAT.

I for one ,want a man to equally respect me as I will him.and do things together to figure out life.BUT I BETTER BE HIS FIRST AND LAST LIKE I SHOULD BE HIS FIRST AND LAST.IF SO THEIR IS NOTHING I WONT DO FOR HIM. :)

IM LOVING THESE POSTS FROM ALL OF YALL. :)

@ Crystalclear….my bad sis

Hmmm…So, SHABLESS 05…What are your thoughts on the Lack of Male Heads of Households in many families of Color? Here in NY, that is a HUGE problem…Any thoughts about that? We could use some more good info out here in NY…It’s Sodom & Gomorrah out here, True Story! I have to watch my children’s backs like a Shark&a Hawk all rolled up into One to protect Mines, cause my husband disappeared…Any thing you have to Share, sister, to add to My Strength/Vision/&Focus…? Do Tell…

the lack of black males in households stem from slavery. black men was used as studs to produce more cattle, women were used a breeding houses, just to produce more humans for a profit.
have you ever read the willie lynch letter? very interesting thesis on this topic…

black men just as black women have been poisoned under the rulership of european patriarchy, point blank. it was a system created to destroy not only the black family, but the feminine principle! its an oppressive system that has been gloried in religious doctrines and represented as the way of life for all of humanity. but the only one who benefits from such a system are males, predominately white males.

you see when black men adopted this system it threw all of us off balance. that why it has NEVER worked for us. we are trying to assimilate into something that has NEVER been designed for us. some people may mistake me or misunderstand where i’m coming from because i’m hard on men. they must realize the role they’ve played in all of this. and we must stop pacifying and encouraging it.

sisters, we have been systematically attacked, both black women and men. you know i’ve been down with the black consciousness for a long time, but even in that OUR story has been hidden and suppressed.

i’m sorry but all men regardless of race, religion, color or creed will join forces to keep a woman beneath them before they ever recognize her as their equal. no matter how much these brothers say they hate the white man, let a sister like me walk in the room. they will team up with that white man every time to defend their brotherhood before they ever come to the defense of the woman.

i’m sorry, but that’s real. i’ve seen it too many times. we will never be whole, until SHE rises UP! and this is not about dominating. you see that’s their game and their words they use on US!

Many men, especially black historians such as Dr Yosef Ben Jochanan (sp), Ashra Quasi, Runuko Rashidi and the like, have traveled to nubia and discovered our story, but they will NEVER tell the true story of our Ancient Mothers, because it removes them from the dominate position.

What they don’t tell you is that the royal bloodline comes from HER. The Matriarchal line is the one who gave authority to the kings, pharaohs, priest, etc. it was SHE that established the throne, it was HER sacerdotal SEAT! This was stolen from us and this is why WE FELL!

So when I hear about women submitting to men, it disturbs my spirit because WE as BLACK WOMEN NEVER SUBMITTED TO ANYTHING! Now when you have our sisters who’s been given a platform BY MEN to speak, the promote THEIR PATRIARCHAL SYSTEM.

Now, many of this may never get this or ever understand. Many of us are still finding our way. I was where many of these young ladies where, especially in the black conscious kemetic movement. But there’s MORE!!! Until we stand up and start doing the research ourselves, then WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHO WE ARE!

Why is that such a crime? I do not hate men. I have nephews, ex husbands, uncles, grand fathers, cousins, best friends who i all love. but i will not hold up a slogan that has been used to keep us off balance and out of divine truth!

Most of these sisters are speaking from a patriarchal point of view. this is all they know, so i cannot blame them for their loyalty. but where is the loyalty towards yourself? stop following men and start following your divine SELF.

why is this so hard for you sisters to understand this?

I hope i’ve answered your question…maybe a bit much, this this is my passion. to liberate the daughters of THE GREAT COSMIC MOTHER…

You know the routine. The inconsistencies continue.
This woman crystal clear has shown me that some people are really dillusional. Jazzy pointed out yet another inconsistency. You claim to be here for networking purposes only and clowned him for suggetsing you were on here to date. But you’re giving your “stats” and asking for those who have “their shyt together to apply”. Like he said apply for what? Thanks Jazzy cause she gave me so many I didn’t catch that one.

You say I am obsessed with your refusal to acknowledge my posts. Now why do you believe this? You must be obsessed with delivering them because you acknowledge every one. Once again creating the “truth” in your mind that has no basis. If you think i’m obsessed try not referencing me in a deragatory manner and see if I mention you again. Stop trying to illustrate points concerning me that make no sense and I won’t have to consistently destroy your poor “rational”.

I made a post today at 1:26 and jazzy gave me props at 2:15. Your first post was at 2:29. And your next post was at 2:37. What’s the importance of this? See you aren’t reading my posts(right), and considering I didn’t mention your name until the end of that post, respodning to it would show that you are reading it and are a liar. Jazzy giving me props irrated you but you couldn’t addrss me so you went at him at 2:29. But the feeling of you thinking I pointed out your flawed arguments and him giving me props consumed you so much that you had to turn back around and write a post at 2:37, addressing a poem about me that you keep plugging that no one has given you props on. I’t wasn’t the poem as much as “getting the last word”, “saying my name”, “not submitting”. Like I said this whole exchange is about the refusal of some women to submit to their will. Will to “be right” when you have presented no evidence for this and the “will” to get the last word. You are proving our point.

Does this give you the power you seek? Because you clearly can’t defend the facts. Like I said you referenced my name 7 times today; me only twice yet you continue to say i’m obsessed with you? I know you are an irrational person, but even an irrational person, when met with reppetition, might get it for a minute or two.

I continue to respond to show others of your irrationality and to offer another possibility as to why your marriage soured, instead of you pointning the finger. No… you are showing that your stuborness, irrationality, and will may have been key factors thus lifting that “victim” veil from your face.

P.S. Did you read this one? Go ahead and plug your poem on page 22…You have plugged the poem more than the book you are supposedly writing..Does that make sense to you?..probably does

Damn,that was deep.SHABLESS05. who said…

i’m sorry but all men regardless of race, religion, color or creed will join forces to keep a woman beneath them before they ever recognize her as their equal. no matter how much these brothers say they hate the white man, let a sister like me walk in the room. they will team up with that white man every time to defend their brotherhood before they ever come to the defense of the woman.

THIS IS TRUE..ITS VERY RARE THAT A MAN WILL DEFEND WOMANHOOD.so I cant argue with that.Ive seen it with me especially doing what I do.They try very hard to keep women out behind the scenes in music because if we gain that control,if we level the playing field,WE CAN CHANGE HOW WOMEN ARE DEPICTED IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS FROM A MALES POINT OF VIEW.WE ALL KNOW THE BOOTY HOPPING LEG SPREADING FEMALES WHO ARE WAY TO EAGER TO JUMP AT THE CHANCE TO BE GLORIFIED IN THAT WAY FOR A MAN.ITS NOT FOR US.so I understand that statement you just made.any woman for that matter who is strong enough to lead a MAN WHETHER its corporate,a job,or the skill sets are equal in certain things,they are not all but so many are not comfortable and they dont like it..ITS LOOKED AT AS WE ARE CHALLENGING THEIR MANHOOD when in actuality,we are just as good to get things done.THEIR IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT SO MANY MEN MAKING IS JUST SEXUAL OBJECTS TO KEEP US ONE STEP BELOW AS FAR AS BEING SEEN AS AN EQUAL.

2 SHABLESS, so knowing what you know,how do see a man and woman co existing in a relationship with one another? shouldnt things be fair and equal?

THE BLACK WOMEN IS GOD.

Far to many sisters are under the yoke of DICK. I sit and watch as a black women, califemme23, who is made in the IMAGE OF THE GREAT SHE who birthed the ENTIRE UNIVERSE during HER OWN ORGASM, fights for the DEATH AND DESTRUCTION OF HER PROGENITY. EVERYTIME a women bows to that which SHE CREATED, the Black Race is DOOMED. Do you sisters not see that this entire attack on women is based in the WORSHIP OF THE BLACK WOMEN. The women who was and is the OLDEST FOR OF GOD ON THE EARTH. Have you not seen the temples made in YOUR IMAGE? DO you NOT know that YOU were once the Standard of Beauty? Have you not contemplated on why you every other race of women are not speaking this “submit to man” BS? EVERYONE IS IN ON THE FALL OF YOUR TEMPLES AND EMPIRES and Most of us are Dickmatized and have NO IDEA THAT EVERY WAR FOUOGHT ON THE EARTH IS AN ATTACK ON YOU!
Shabless KEEP SPREADING the TRUTH. Some women fight for their limitations. We were sold out by our OWN SONS (that is why the sphinx (WHO IS FEMALE) is defaced along with other female states around the world.)We were sold out by our OWN SISTERS. That is evident because only ANOTHER GOD and take ANOTHER GOD OUT.
So for all you women who want to “submit to a evolutionary mistake” tell me how has worshipping His Dick worked for you? Are you in power? Do you own the very earth that you ONCE CONTROLLED? Are your children productive or are they running the streets wild? Does your daughter VALUE HER P***Y or is she selling it for the cheapest bidder? Did you know the feeling of Sexual BLISS before you knew what it felt like to give birth?
YOU DONT KNOW YOUR OWN BODIES and are quick to give the Creation the Praise when itis YOU, the CREATOR WHO SHOULD BE WORSHIPED, HONORED, PROTECTED and ADORED.
Monique is a Pawn for the destruction. Notice how she played a women under the yoke of a man in precious to the point of her hating her OWN CHILD. However, in the next breath she gives her power to man and dares to speak to women about “submitting.” Ladies WATCH what is GOING ON.
Black women WAKE IT! IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT YOU!! Racism is a SMOKE SCREEN!

If you want to be in a relationship with a man then you should submit. If you want to date a boy, another girl or whatever listen to these stupid women posting this nonsense.
There is no attack on women, we all should be on the same team with a common goal.
If you don’t think your man is worth submitting to then he probably isn’t worth opening your legs to. Any woman thinking they can reinvent the formula for a family that has been in place successfully for ages is retarded.

GoddessNetwork, Have you lost your effing mind??

“Under the yoke of DlCK”??!?!!?

So you think with everything I said in every post, is under some spell of d!ck?? You missed the part about me saying we should work together, as a unit, create foundation for our babies, NOT to be controlled or dominated, but to stay in our places, both men and women. Respect the leadership of one another,support, nurture and protect…Not once did I say ‘BOW DOWN’…So while you’re shaking the earth and birthing people in your own orgasms, hit them phonics and learn how to READ AND COMPREHEND…

I guess with all of your spiritual and fake ass goddess-ness, you MISSED every word I typed. I’m going to stop here because I have already had my run in with a bitter, man hating, angry lesbian for the day!

yes Epidemy24 i was just jokin i dont know what yall conversin bout but carry on! yall must have sharp attn span cuz i can never follow up with that ish…

@ twelvetwelve as hard as ur comment may seem its true!

How in hell are women supposed to ‘rise’ and ‘create’ and GIVE BIRTH without any damn men??? You ‘goddess’s give me ONE example or instance of any society or civilization that thrived with absolutely NO MEN present, with no duel effort from both the man and woman…No wait, Ill make it easier on you…How did y’all weird asses get here with NO MEN??? Did you all grow in your mother’s skulls after she swallowed you, and bust out like Athena or something?

I guess you spirit riders are on some ‘big bang’ type shyt…where two balls of electricity just collide and BAMM! All the people pop out huh?

twelvetwelve, “Any woman thinking they can reinvent the formula for a family that has been in place successfully for ages is retarded.”

THANK YOU!!!

CaliFemme I am not as patient and nice as Shabless so I will address your ignorance only once. If you paid attention on Biology class your rants about “civilization without men” would be mute. THE ENTIRE EARTH WAS POPULATED AND RULED ONLY BY WOMEN FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS! Women CAN and have and DID reproduce without men. The XY chromosone is still new to the evolutionary stain of life and NATURE ITSELF FOUGHT AGAINST MEN COMING HERE. On top of that they are being marked for extinction. THE Y chromosone is weak, shrinking and is in trouble. They only way the XY will survive longer than another 125k years is if it BORROWS from the XX. Go on my page and listen to the Lecture of Dr Delber Blair called THE WOMEN. Read the book The Cult of Divine Birth and take some time and read Secrets of Human Regeneration by Professor Hotema and Myteries of Human Regernation by Dr Raymond Bernard. I hate ignorant ass women such as you. You dont even know about your OWN BODY but you are busy fighting the fight for a DICK THAT IS A MUTATED CLIT! You are a waste of time. Keep fighting for the Dick. You should go GET YOUR DICK BACK and do should every other women that is in a system that has raped them and the land they use to own. I am not a novice and you can take that little girl “we need men” BS back to the Universal Trash Can where it came from. You are not even qualified to have this conversation with me. Hence you are not ignored. Keep sucking dick until it kills you…your problem not mine.

when we get down to it,,,WOMEN AND MEN ,MEN AND WOMEN REALLY NEED EACH OTHER.WITH THAT NEED ,THEIR HAS TO BE RESPECT,VALUE,LOVE,DEVOTION,HONOR,INTEGRITY,ETC BETWEEN THE TWO.

To copy and past what cali said:

we should work together, as a unit, create foundation for our babies, NOT to be controlled or dominated, but to stay in our places, both men and women. Respect the leadership of one another,support, nurture and protect…

Its not a bowing down to a MAN. Its about a natural energy when we find that equal partner based on what should be in a relationship for all the things stated,that something natural kicks in.

For example,a woman,may not ever ever ever have the desire to have a CHILD until SHE IS PAIRED WITH WHAT SHE IS STARRING BACK AT IN A MAN from his or her SPIRIT. THAT NATURAL INSTINCT IS NOW PUSHED TO THE FOREFRONT WERE AS BEFORE IT LAY DORMANT…THAT is so true.Something natural takes over because now YOUR SPIRIT,EMOTION,PHYSICAL IS ALIGNED..not saying it happens like this for every woman,but it does for some.that certain things BASED ON THE SPIRIT have to be PRESENT in both the MALE AND FEMALE.if your being ruled by that.THEIR ARE VERY IMPORTANT REASONS FOR MEN.SURE THEY CAUSE DESTRUCTION AND CHAOS.WE are the ones to temper that and help him cleary see.So they must be made to respect WOMEN as we should RESPECT them.of course the right kind of MEN and WOMEN im speaking on.

I understand were our spirit comes from.the kingdoms and what we were and are…

Wow.. this has truly gotten out of hand. Now i guess we need a gay dude to come in and give his opinion and we can shut this one down. Peace.

how in the world did someone sign in as me at 12:09 am??? i did not leave that post, but dayum, they sure did drop some serious science. i’m not to sure how you managed to leave a post under my name, but i must say you sure know how to swing your sword….

please identify yourself for who you are and do not leave post under my name.

still trying to figure out how you tapped into my account????…

Hmmm…That Fool Is Still Posting At ME, though I skim through & skip past his Hot Air? Oh, Well…So Be It! Guess it makes him Feel Important/significant/self righteous/intelligent…WHO CARES? (giggle) Is He Afraid to Address Anything Else Discussed in the Last 24 hours or so on this Topic? Apparently So…(lol) I Like the Progress Made In the Discussion while he was preparing his next burst of Hot Air that Nobody Cares About, though…

To:

To Shabless05… You stated in your response to Me “I’m sorry, but all Men regardless of Race, Religion, Color, or Creed will join forces to keep a Woman beneath them, before they will ever recognize her as their Equal. No matter how much these brothers say that they Hate the White Man, let a sister like me walk into the room, they will team up with that white Man every time to defend their brotherhood before they ever come to the defense of the woman.” This has Never been more true than it is in today’s atmosphere of Woman Bashing/Over Sexualizing/& Abuse…The same Men of Color (not just Black Men) who say that they “Love” women of Color, are also supporting/partaking of/& Enjoying the dehumanization of Women mainly for Sexual Gratification, in all areas of Media, and in Life in general. I have NEVER seen a Man (of ANY color) stand up and defend a woman being abused/violated/disrespected in the Streets of NY, in fact, many morons now pull out their camera’s and Videotape s**t like that! Sexual predators abound in my City…Yet the government cant keep tabs on them, and they walk NYC streets like they are just as happy as Clams…disrespecting women right and Left, leering at people’s children (NOT MINE)…No adult is even allowed to speak to My children without My permission…dont give a damn if they dont like it…I like my children remaining safe, and keeping their Innocence intact as long as possible! But worst of all, Many Men in NY (cant speak for every city, state or town) are growing very comfortable with witnessing/partaking in/or simnply Ignoring the Abuse/& Disrespect/& Sexualization of women of all ages, on a daily basis. These are the same Men who then turn around and dismiss not only the women that they have turned into “sex toys” in their Minds…but almost all woman, except their own mothers, perhaps. I FEEL LIKE I AM LIVING IN SODOM & GOMMORAHH (know I didnt spell it right, oh well…), AND MAY BE ONE OF THE FEW NY’ers who isn’t fine with that. How do I deal with it, you may be wondering…Well, I dont allow any of that Negativity waiting outside in the World to seep in underneath my front door, I can tell you that much! It’s exhausting having to carry the mantle for the family unit that my husband & I created together, Alone…but giving up is simply NOT an option. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post…AND DO NOT GIVE IN AND STOP POSTING DUE TO A FEW WHO MAY NOT WELCOME YOUR INPUT…THERE ARE SEVERAL HERE WHO WISH I WOULD SHUT UP & GO AWAY…AND THEY ALREADY KNOW I DONT CARE…IN FACT, NOBODY DOES. (LOL) KEEP DOING YOU…CAUSE THE HATERS & ENDLESS DEBATERS WILL NEVER GO AWAY, EITHER…KEEP SHARING GOOD INFO, AND TRY NOT TO LET THEM DISTRACT YOU FROM YOUR MESSAGE OF HOPE. Good Luck & Blessings to You, sister! I WILL CONTINUE KEEPING AN EYE OUT FOR POSITIVE MESSAGES OF HOPE FOR OUR WOMEN OF COLOR! WE SORELY NEED IT!

P.S. You probably know more about computers than I, but did you think about Changing Your Password? Cause if not, they may post under your Name again…And it may not be something that You agree with, Next Time…In any case, Stay with this Forum. You make some interesting/& informative points…

@ shabless no one else is signing into you account to post more of your dick loathing propaganda. The likely explanation is you are the culprit and you are schizophrenic. Not only would this explain why you yhink other ppl are sneaking on to your account to post this poorly crafted garbage but it explains your general line of thinking. Your prolly trying to bite your ears now lookin real crazy. Mental illness is not a joke

BTW…Just a Sidebar…And has nothing to do w/the Topic, but I couldnt resist sharing this…Just turned on the local News, and Some Nut just robbed a bank here DRESSED AS DARTH VADER! How in the hell did He make his Escape? In the Millenium Falcon…or the Death Star? As hot as it has been in NYC lately, I’m surprised this fool didnt PASS OUT, underneath his mask! (LOL) Damn, this city is going Crazy…And nobody could point out where A Darth Vader running with a Bag of Bank Money went to? (lol) Tootoo Much, as usual. I have got to get out of NY, to a calmer place…

To : Courtney R…I picked up on that statement too. And your question at the end of that post (at 9:47pm) is Very Valid…And I also notice not one Man tuning in is even addressing these Issues currently being discussed. Hmmm…That’s Deep Waters, there…Not many will be willing to swim all in…But I am interested in seeing Shabless respond to your question as Well. Stay sharp, sis…

@crystalclearNY
Girl i feel you about New York. I was born and raised there and soon as my window opened I GOT OUT OF BABYLON!

There are many sisters out here waking up and recognizing the spell that has been cast upon them. many sit on the fence because fear has immobilized us, but no matter what, you cannot kill off the power of the wombman. keep studying, keep uncovering, keep searching, you will find your divine truth!

and whatever you do, never let labels created by those who want to oppress you detour you from your divine self. hell, i embrace it! they could call me whatever they wish, its like if they call me certain words, its supposed to act as a trigger to “put me in my place”….lol, i love it.

Once again, FOR THE SISTER WHO ARE READING AND WATCHING THIS AND IT IS SPARKING YOUR SPIRIT TO LEARN MORE, THEN LEARN MORE!!!

DO A SEARCH ON THESE POWER BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE UNCOVERING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE GREAT BLACK COSMIC MOTHER!!!

DR SUZAR EPPS
MAMA ZOGBE
THE SYBILS – THE FIRST PROPHETESS OF MAMI WATA
DR. JEWEL POOKRUM
SISTER NUBIA WARFORD
LeTava Mabilijengo
DR DELBERT BLAIR
IVAN VAN SERTIMA
JOHN HENRICK CLARK

just to name a few….

The information is OUT THERE! Its just we’ve NEVER LOOKED…..

To SHABLESS05…Girl, thanks for not letting anyone Run You Away…As a NY’er, where insults are as Common as the everyday, common cold, You learn to shrug that s**t off & Ignore It! Skip right past it, No Problem, & Keep on spreading some Light on some areas that have not yet been discussed! Thanks for responding, though some may take Issue with Your Statements…

To: O VANCOUVER HURTS: Miss Lady, I see you are a bit puzzled about that exchange between Epidemic & I…let me shed some Light. I refused to Continue Debating with him several pages ago, after He insisted that I respond to his ever increasing Epics&Essays with unlimited detail about not only my marriage (which I was willing to discuss, in limited detail), BUT ALSO ABOUT MY PREVIOUS, PAST RELATIONSHIPS before my marriage, and cross reference that info with my position on “Submission”, which he took objection to. Yes, I know it sounds ridiculous…Thats why I stopped debating with Him, and he’s been pissed about it ever since, and Keeps Dropping Snippy, B***hy Posts To and About Me, unable to let it Go…All of which I am now Ignoring. Simple…and not even worth Your Time, I’m sure. Have a good One!

LOL@twelvetwelve -your 8:28am post is hilarious and so on point.

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NunyaBidNiz:

Your logic is flawed sweetie. We cannot have a society that is safe and hospitable for all if we allow everyone a free range of options. That would mean the child pornographer should have his rights respected to excersize his options to engage in his sickness towards children; the drinker should be allowed to exercise their option to drive while drunk…

For a society to function effectively, there has to be clearly defined roles; and consequences for not abiding within those roles; just like at your job. You wouldn’t take that logic and apply it to your job: ‘Hey boss, I decided to exercise my option to sleep in an extra hour this morning. If you don’t respect my ‘option’ to do so, you’re trying to relegate me to a substandard place and hold me back in life!’ You boss would then exercise his or her ‘options’ to send you packing! Just like many black men today; we use our options to be with women who are much easier to get along with.

Maybe you call the mayhem going on in our communities a better situation for black women to be in; I strongly disagree. I think black women were better off back in the 50′s, when their welfare, and those of the children was a priority for black men. It clearly isn’t any more. And one main reason is because of the way the younger generation of black women ran out the gates towards what they thought was freedom; much like Eve did back in the garden when she thought disobeying God would bring her freedom. Once again Eve has resorted to disobeying the divine order by refusing to submit to her nature and place. In your submission is where your protection is! That’s where your well being is!

But its cool. Your punishment is in your disobedience. That’s why so many sisters who are as averse to submission as you are, find themselves lonely old cat-ladies; or stuck in relationships with spineless men.

Yazzie:

If my comment upset you, I do apologize; not for making the comment. I meant what I said! But for you not getting where I’m coming from. If you go back to page 11, you’ll see that I was being a bit facetious! It says it right there in my own typing.

Nowhere in any comment have I stated black women are good for nothing but humping and dumping. That was a childish comment by a very immature woman, looking to be the center of attention. But my attention is precious to me, so I don’t waste it on the unworthy…

The simple answer is this: I want my sisters to understand that YOU need US more than you think you do! But harboring resentment in your hearts toward black men is doing you a disservice; especially when YOU chose to be with the black man in particular who turned your heart cold towards the rest of us. It may hurt you to hear this; but we don’t need you to build families or carry the race forward.

Hear me out: our genes as black men are dominant. Wherever we plant our seed, the black gene will dominate. There are millions of black women out there of other nations and cultures who don’t have the anger and resentment towards us that American sisters have. They are much more easier to work with and co-exist with.

We don’t NEED American black women! If we’re with you, its not out of necessity; its out of choice. So acting like we have to submit to your demands in order to be with you, makes being with you less of an option. And until black women get back to being women in the truest sense of the word, able to respect the dominance of the male…I see no reason for a brother to settle for the baggage that MANY sisters bring! So it’s in your best interest to be more cooperative with the brothers…unless you plan to become a muffdiver!

Learn to forgive; make better choices in men; stop being afraid to be elevated by the company of a decent brother; and for the love of GOD: quit arguing for and defending your own weaknesses! Admit that you need us; put your guard down some and be willing to work with us on OUR terms, and not just your terms; and maybe…just maybe…we can get back to where we used to be as a race.

To: YAZZIE…Check the posting for Yourself, sister…While it is true that I did paraphrase his words, using the phrase “Hump ‘Em & Dump ‘Em” as a meanspirited Joke…The truth of the matter can be found in this Brother’s posting on p.11…July 18th, 8:31pm…The phrase I took exception to starts with “Why should I ‘buy’ you (marry you)…when I can get My Fleshly Needs met by you, keep my money, keep it moving…”etc. Check for Yourself, dont take his word, or Mine. And my post in response is on p.13, July 18th, 7:23pm. Brother refused to answer that part though…But that is his choice. So Be It.

You are talking to the room about a person whose post you aren’t reading when you clearly say it’s progreess being made. Then why would you “regress” to talk about a person that you are done with.

On July 22 at 1:38 pm I wrote a post and at the end I said:

“Did you read this post? How do you know I was talking to you oh yeah you skimmed(didn’t read) it and saw your name….?”

The reason I wrote this is because I knew you are reading my posts otherwise you wouldn’t respond because you didn’t know it was about you. After repeated posts of you claiming you were skipping”/weren’t reading” my posts, today at
7:38 am you say you are skimming though my posts. So you were done with me and weren’t reading my posts then find yourself skimming again. Now whose obsessed with who? And I wonder who you got the word “skim” from.

You say it’s not worth O Vancouvers time then why write a post to explain it to her and if she reads back she will see who the irrational one is. You are right you did stop debating me, but only because you have no points. Why didn’t you tell her you stopped resonding to me? WhY because you haven’t..So you proved my point once again you are no longer debating but still responding and that is because you will not submit to your will to have the last word.

True Progress would be you understanding this. If you are tired or bored then stop referencing me, since you came at me first, but you can’t and that is the whole point of this forum. The question is to really ask yourself why I can’t submit.

I thank GOD gave me the insight to know what choices to make for myself as a BEAUTIFUL AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN and for those REAL MEN out here who see us as AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN being WORTH IT whether they be BLACK or other and FEEL in their HEARTS that they NEED US AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN who stand for what it TRULY MEANS TO BE A WOMAN in this WORLD, WE thank you from the bottom of our hearts.

and yes I understand from a biological standpoint when some males say that they dont need us to carry on the black DOMINANT GENE,but couldnt the same apply to BLACK AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN? WE ALSO HAVE THE CHOICE TO LOOK AT OTHER BLACK MEN WHO ARE NOT AFRICAN AMERICAN TO FURTHER OUR GENES WITH AS WELL.

I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO THIS. THEIR ARE SOME AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN WHO HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THE AFRICAN AMERICAN FEMALE.ITS ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY..

I’ve never been MISJUDGED,CURSED AT,ASSAULTED,PUT DOWN,by any other race of men than AFRICAN AMERICAN BLACK MEN.NOT ALL ,BUT TO MANY.

WHEN YOU DO FIND A REAL AND I EMPHASIS THE WORD REAL AFRICAN AMERICAN BLACK WOMAN,I find from my own experiences that you are PUZZLED and truly dont know what to do with US.ALMOST LIKE YOU’VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED THE LIKES OF US SO WHAT YOU IN TURN DO IS LASH OUT AT US SOMETIMES PUSHING US AWAY.

AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED,YOU TREAT ME WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY AND TRY NOT TO RUN GAMES ON ME,I CAN SEE YOUAS MY EQUAL,OTHER THAN THAT,you are a waste of my PRECIOUS time.LIFE is to short to be dealing with CERTAIN men WHO DONT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN thier GOD given role AND TRYING TO DOMINANT and rule over us .THAT IS NOT WHY GOD MADE YOU..

as for me,I will decide to be with WHATEVER MAN that TRULY understands how to TREAT me because I damn sure know how to treat him.

unbelievable.. The underlining resentment in some of you males is astonishing..WHAT IS UP WITH THIS TIFF FOR TAFF ATTITUDE? WE DONT NEED YOU S**T? YOU WILL COME TO UNDERSTAND THE ERROR IN YOUR THINKING ONE OF THESE DAYS BECAUSE YOU KNOW IF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN.IT HAS TO DO WITH YOU. Wow. Its nothing knew.

LADIES you have to be down with those who are DOWN for you.Its as simple as that.LADIES,you deserve a MAN that wants to be with.Dont pass up an opportunity that GOD truly brings your way to usher in your GOD GIVEN DESERVED HAPPINESS.THE KIND OF MEN WE WANT ARE OUT THERE.BLACK OR OTHER EVEN THOUGH I KNOW WE WANT OUR OWN.

WHEN A MAN IS DISREPSECTFUL TOWARDS A RACE OF WOMEN,YOU MUST LEAVE HIM ALONE,PASS HIM BY ON THE STREET,IN THE MALL,IN SOCIETY.THEY ARE ALREADY TELLING ON THEMSELVES AND HOW THEY TRULY FEEL.IT ISNT US LADIES BECAUSE THESE KIND IF MEN WOULD BE COUNTERACTING THE BAD WOMEN AND THEIR BEHAVIOR BY GIVING PRAISE TO THOSE OF US WHO ARE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS.BUT YOU DONT SEE THAT.

WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS A WHOLE LOT OF COMPLAINING AND IF THE ONES DOING THE COMPLAINING ARE NOT CHECKING THOSE MALES WHO BRING DOWN YOUR SOCIETY.AFTER ALL LIKE MANY OF YOU SAY,YOU SO DOMINANT RIGHT?

LISTEN,all of us arent fools.we can see when A MAN truly cares about the state of himself and his woman.And im telling you right now,I see none of that in many of you,their are a few.

TO MEN ON THE SITE,HOW ABOUT TRYING TO UPLIFT AND TALK ABOUT THE BEAUTY IN US INSTEAD OF ALWAYS AND I REPEAT ALWAYS PUSHING OTHER WOMEN WHO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS BY THE WAY TO THE FOREFRONT.

NO MAN BETTER NOT EVER QUESTION ME ABOUT THE MAN I HAVE ON MY ARM. CAUSE IF HES WITH ME,HES A MAN,WHATEVER COLOR HE MAY BE.THATS A PROMISE. LEARN YOUR ROLE,LEARN HOW TO SPEAK TO WOMEN,AND TREAT WOMEN.

NOT SCALLY WAGS . AND FOR THOSE MEN WHO ARE SPEAKING ABOUT THOSE FEMALES WHO HAPPENED TO W***E THEIR WAY THROUGH LIFE,if you layed down with them just to get a nut off,guess what,YOU ARE NO BETTER.so dont come on here now after you passed by the true black african american woman for trash complaining about what YOU CANT FIND NOW. unbelievable.Its quit sad that it takes other races of MEN to truly FIND AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN BEAUTIFUL IN ALL HER SPIRIT AND GLORY. WHAT MOST OF YOU FAILED TO NOT RECOGNIZED UNTIL IT WAS TO LATE AFTER YOU MADE YOU TERRIBLE CHOICES IN WOMEN..

@shabless:

You describe yourself as a lesbian. Isn’t that defining yourself by European standards? Also you posed the question:

“why is it that we are finding remains of Black Women in Africa that are over 5 million years old???? where is her consort??? where are his remains????”

His remains could probably be found alongside those of the lion he probably died fighting with, attempting to protect his woman!

Your theories are lock in step with EUROPEAN white/lesbian feminist teachings. You have a lot of p***ss-envy going on over there! I guess the absence of large numbers of lesbians on the African continent ‘support’ your theories on the divine sisterhood of the clitt-lickers… Why isn’t there a large lesbian population in Africa, since Africa is the cradle of black womanhood as you describe it? And why is there such large numbers of lesbians in European nations? You don’t even see how you secretly LOVE them whitefolks more than you even know!

Smh…you man-haters kill me! And as for more black men trying to sneak in your back door after posting: some niggas will try to screw a shaved she-bear if they could! So that don’t mean ish! Lose the hate sister, and elevate!

@watchmesucceed -THANK YOU. Explanation on point.

The black gene goes both ways fellas.. so that would mean that both men and women need each other.AND ITS NOT JUST EXCLUSIVE TO AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN if you use that arguement. SMH. sheesh…

CourtneyR: I’m only dealing with ‘us’ right now sweetie.

And see, that’s the problem: you WANT us to need you! It gives you a sense of having leverage with us…a sense of control. That need to be in control is what has so many sisters unhappy these days.

Answer me this: since black men are so fvcked up, why is there no rush of men from other races clamoring into the black community snatching sisters up? If your womanhood is so divine and special, where be the men of other races who are willing to vouch for it?!

I’ll wait…

See, you can’t live in fantasyland! People ain’t getting at the AVERAGE sister like that because yall are damn near impossible to deal with nowadays. Let this topic and the resistance of the females to even the word ‘submission’ be the case in point. Whatever yall are rolling with nowadays, it just ain’t working for you. It’s leaving you bitter and ALONE. If the decent BROTHERS ain’t fvcking with u, that means yall are really up the creek! All that’s left for you are the busters, the muff-divers…and each other. A few of you might marry off into another race; most will simply be alone.

Tweak your attitudes and mindsets a bit; and learn the true definition of the word ‘submission’. In a woman’s submission is where her power can be found! Not in challenging a man on every front; busting his balls every chance you get; reminding him everyday about how ‘independent’ you THINK you are! Its amazing most of you lack the wisdom to see this! But I guess it takes a wise woman to know this…

This doesn’t apply to all sisters…just the vast majority! And for the record: I don’t have a hard time meeting quality sisters. For me, that comes easy. I meet them everywhere. My posts aren’t aimed at ‘them’. It’s for those who claim good black men are hard to find. Listen and you’ll learn how to find them!

@ watchme succeed. but thats the thing….i dont want to be needed to have leverage over you.I want to be needed because you need me just as much as i need you..it really is that simple.my mom never tried to get over my father.they truly loved each other and helped and needed each other and made sure they taught me and my brother that.

as far as other men,they are not running towards us they are coming across those of us who are putting ourselves out their and realizing that their are some really good african american women that have been passed over..

now just to give you my example and experience,i come from a seriously stable household who was taught that I DONT NEED TO USE MY BODY TO GET A MAN,but to use my mind by working on myself and learning all that I could.from arts ,to dance,to reading ,to sports right? but as I started getting older ,I started to realize and see somethings.that young boys with their hormones raging for the most part were only interested because they were testing to see who was easy to get the draws and who wasnt.

no mind you,because i had a real father,he always taught me that a boy or man not willing to put in the effort or time to truly respect and know me and respect my decision not to sleep around ,put me in a rare category with males while other girls and women couldnt wait to give a male what they wanted because they didnt really understand or wasnt taught about how boys really work. so here i am a teenager with the knowledgeand getting spit on ,talked about,looked down upon because I wasnt giving it up like that.I WAS LOOKED AT AS TRYING TO BE TO GOOD OR CONCIETED .never understood that.I meet a boy in high school,who came from the same background but different culture,and we just became friends.he respected the fact that I wasnt that type of girl.I wasnt interested in sleeping with him or any other because that would of cloud my judgement and emotions.after all,we are emotional creatures.so i was taught early how to deal with my emotions by not giving up something so precious to me to someone who wasnt worth it.
the moral is ,when i had this same approach with boys and men from my own,not all,they werent willing to listen to me and what I had to say about my body..so in turn,it wasnt about getting to know me.to set aside myself from being different from the loose girl,I had to stick to my principals and make a man respect me.and by RESPECTING MYSELF, I GOT DISRESPECTED.

my first example of a real man was my father and I never wanted to use him.by respecting my father made me want to respect the RIGHT KIND OF MEN who stood for what my dad stood for regardless.so becuase I was sheltered and protected by dad ,it made other men not really understand were I was coming from as a respectful woman.that made them mad because they saw that I saw through their bulls**t and they JUST COULDNT HAVE ME JUST BECUASE THEY WANTED ME. their has always been conditions and they start with REAL FRIENDSHIP,LOVE,RESPECT,COMPASSION,REALNESS etc with me because thats what was put in me.

why the hell would any real woman want to use a man when she can get up with her brain,two arms and legs and get it herself? i dont know about others but I never wanted a MAN TO HAVE SOMETHING OVER ME WHICH IS WHY I NEVER USED A MAN.ESPECIALLY FOR HIS MONEY. IF YOU ARE GOING TO RESPECT ME,YOU ARE GOING TO DO SO FOR THE RIGHT REASONS THAT WHY WHEN ONE OF US IS NOT HOLDING UP TO OUR END OF THE BARGAIN,MY ARGUEMENT WILL BE BASED ON THE FACTS AND NOT BULLS**T.

im still with that man from highschool 16 years.so this isnt a new phenomenal for me.its just two people who get and understand each other for the right reasons.

@ watchmesucceed. oh , I forgot,I understand by the im dealing with us right now. I was just trying to say that their are some REAL AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN who are being passed over because of assumptions. I dont represent the nonsense and their are others on her like me that dont.its unfortunate that their are women that do that make it bad for us.but you know what,their is bulls**t in every race.a golddigger is a goldigger,a w***e a w***e,a liar a liar,tramp a tramp,loud mouth is a loud mouth,etc in every group.

Hmmm…Oh well. Another day, and another posting to Be Ignored & skipped Past…I think that his Ego Just Wont Allow that Fool to Believe that I really Skip Over Everything He writes…Oh Well. So Be It. Anybody get at that New Posting on “Do Black Men Reuire Too Much of Their Women?” I’m posting, but not diving All In…There is gonna be Blood in those Waters, and the Sharks will be Circling, Soon Enough! (LOL)

Meant to say, Require…typo.

shabless05, LMAO!@ YOU! You really think that I believe someone else signed in as you, JUST to talk shyt to me??? Uh uh sweetie, that was ALL YOU and you know it! You just didn’t want anyone to think that you have that foul, angry, man hating mouth piece on you like you do!

You are NOT complete dear if you have to PRETEND that someone hacked your account and knew to come DIRECTLY TO THIS POST AND RESPOND TO ME…*CRICKETS!!!*

See I have gotten under someone’s skin on here before, to the point there they created FOUR different accounts to PRETEND to be someone they aren’t…Just like you do, strapping on fake d!ck’s to please your woman right? Stomping around spoutin this ‘uplift the sisters’ BS, to try and hide the fact that you HATE MEN…GTFOH and get over yourself..you’re a fake and a phoney my sweet…such a fckin shame!

Twelvetwelve, Thank you once again brother..I hope none of the intelligent women on here fall for that ‘women’s movement’,’ we don’t need men in our lives’, BULLSHlT that the lesbian is throwing at us!

Watchmesucceed, “Your theories are lock in step with EUROPEAN white/lesbian feminist teachings. You have a lot of p***ss-envy going on over there! I guess the absence of large numbers of lesbians on the African continent ’support’ your theories on the divine sisterhood of the clitt-lickers… Why isn’t there a large lesbian population in Africa, since Africa is the cradle of black womanhood as you describe it? And why is there such large numbers of lesbians in European nations? You don’t even see how you secretly LOVE them whitefolks more than you even know!

Smh…you man-haters kill me! And as for more black men trying to sneak in your back door after posting: some niggas will try to screw a shaved she-bear if they could! So that don’t mean ish! Lose the hate sister, and elevate!”

We don’t always agree, but you are dead on point with this one here!
The lesbian earth mother is doing EXACTLY what the European is doing…Trying to keep the black man and woman APART! Sisters, please don’t fall for this!!

To: Shabless…Post script to my earlier comment…I have found that when I close out at the top of the Page (by double clicking on the X) that does not mean that the HB page is Closed Out. IF someone comes behind you and opens up the HB page, the name of the previous user is still effective. In other words, if you did not specifically LOG OUT, and only double clicked on the X to close the page without LOGGING OUT…that is how your name will still remain Logged On. Must LOG OFF to be sure…and then close out the HB page. Perhaps that was the difficulty there.

Califemmme…It is clear You dont agree with Many of SHABLESS05 opinions…But the two of You have definitely brought fresh perspective & focus back to this particular Topic! You may be on opposite sides of the Fence (literally!) but both of You kept it Interesting/Lively/&Informative…Good stuff. I will be keeping an Eye out for both of Your postings, for sure. I enjoy learning something New every day, even at my Age! Good Debate.

crystalclearNY, Thank you much….

But on your post to shabliss05 and her phantom account hacking…Question: HOW would someone automatically know to come to THIS forum and respond to ME personally if it wasn’t her?

Now I know that if I don’t ‘log off’ from the home page, it will keep me logged in…BUT if I come directly to HB or newsone…at the bottom where you post, it will say..”YOU MUST BE LOGGED IN TO POST A COMMENT…LOG IN HERE”….

LOL, I admire you trying to give reasoning for shabliss to have gone off the edge in anger toward me….But no need…when someone EXPOSES who they really are, I can always appreciate that…
:D

Shabliss05, “How in the world did someone sign me in at 12:09am????”

GET THE FCK OUTTA HERE WIT THAT BULLSHlT!

Atleast when I piss a mufcka off, I want them to KNOW IT WAS ME! Now you acting like a man with the bald head, baggy jeans and all that, well MAN-UP! Grow a REAL SET and own up to what you say….

LOL@Calfemme. Thx for saving me the time to type all that.

Now you know that Crystal and Shabless are a couple right?
Also notice how NO ONE ELSE believed the fake account story but her. LOL..two loony tunes. Even got the nerve to try to explain how close your window you may still be logged in. This shyt is hilarious.

Ok Shabless is here to recruit lesbians so please you have crystalclear now take her with you and move on. Peace.

Hmmm…CALIFEMME…I have a question I want to ask You, though it is admittedly Off Topic…Got the Time for it, or Not Really?

JAZZY…Let’s stop the silly Nonsense…I Am not A Lesbian/Nor Am I Tied At The Hip To AnyOne Else’s Opinion EXCEPT MY OWN! (LOL)…In your quest to throw gasoline on the Fire, sit back, and enjoy your “Entertainment” as you put it several pages back, You Are Going Way Overboard As Usual. Now, we have put our back and forth behind Us, correct? Or Are you Interested in creating another EPIC battle of Pointless Words? Never Mind, I already know that Answer to That One. Let’s just leave it Be, I say.

crystalclearNY, By all means, please ask away…

P.S. OH, AND JAZZY…No ONE HEAR SEEMS TO BELIEVE THAT MEN OF COLOR ARE ABANDONING THEIR FAMILIES EVERY DAY, EITHER, IN DROVES…So What Do I Care That They HAve A Different Opinion Than Mine On ANY TOPIC? Silly Man…Trying to Ostracize Me from the “CREW” wont work…I dont care on bit about being on board “the Team”. Like You DO!

Okay, thanks, CALIFEMME…I’m going to pull it together right Now…

JazzyCreations, LOL..Nah bruh, that must have been her strong female ancestors that logged her back in…

You know the ancestors get down like that! They too have evolved and learned to type and post!

Okay…CALIFEMME…It occurred to Me that any possible Statistics to be compiled re: The ‘Destruction of the Black Family Unit in America’ could very well reveal a BROAD Differentiation, based upon geographic location…(high income Suburbs/vs. low income Inner Cities) & (Rural/Vs. Urban) & (cities/vs. small Towns) etc. This is a subject that I am giving deep Consideration to actually attempting to Chart&Graph by obtaining a Federal Grant (it is possible, my Aunt works for a company that actually gets federal grant money to perform studies all the Time). I would then use that Grant money to engage in an In Depth Study & Interview Analysis Questionairre. I intend to follow the format I have observed my Aunt use in her professional duties, and interview personally a wide range of Individuals. Question Topics will Include (but not be Limited To): Family History, Personal History, Educational History, Professional History, Initial Sexual Awareness, Introduction to Sexual Activity, & Resulting Consequences of Sexual Awareness & Activity…along with a Follow Up Study, perhaps 6 months or a full Year later.

Just composing the Questionairre and securing the necessary Grant Funding to compile Individual Case Studies to draw the Initial Statistical Data from will take an Inordinate Amount of Time…But I like the Idea of Gaining some much needed Insight into the Psychology Behind Today’s Hyper-Sexuality & Gradual Moral Decline, which is now the So-Called “Norm” in today’s society. It is definitely a Topic Worthy of Further Investigation. This Phenomenon crosses Racial barriers Altogether…Children of all Colors/Races/Nationalities/Creeds/&Socio-Economic backgrounds are Lost & Wandering out there…Confused about Family Units/Sexuality/&Raising Ever More Confused, Angry Children themselves. Many are being raised on a Steady Diet of Corruptive Influences & Information…and Some Parents are Stepping to the Side & Allowing it to Take Place! I choose to Shed Some Light on this Quiet Tragedy taking place…

1st…By publishing the Manuscript I wrote (Sliding Down Sugar Hill) detailing my own Experience of being Half Raised in a Family that I barely survived Growing Up in…
2nd…By following that up with a Second Book, detailing the Information extracted from 100-200 Individual Case Studies, via that Grant…So, my question to You, CALIFEMME, is…Do you think that this Undertaking may possibly also shed light on the Phenomenon of Women of Color Rebelling From “Submissive” Roles In Society, In Light of the Damage Done to the Black Family Unit thus Far…? Sorry it took so Long to get to the Point!

If anybody wants to truly understand many men’s complaints about submission then please go back to the beginnig of this exchange between myself and crystal clear and follow it. I know it’s long lol but I guarantee it will give you insight into many men’s stances regarding “submission”. I know I am not married to her but this submission issue with her will carry over into marriage. I doubt a woman that thinks like this is that much different with her husband, then in here. It is less about a man having total conrtol, and more about some women having to “run the show”, “have the last word” or avoid explaining their irrational points. It is about some women’s refusal to accept the facts. It is about some women being rude and childish and resorting to name calling, when they can’t have their way.(for a man to shut up and them to “be right”). It is about some women twisting the “truth” in their head to support their baseless claims. It is all here for you to understand if you truly want to understand.

I understand that some men aren’t worthy of submission but let’s forget relationships for a sec. This is about some women simply not submitting to anything(even facts). Have to be right; not listening to valid argument . If you can’t even submit or concede to a valid point that somebody makes(male or female) , how are you going to submit to a husband who is worthy?

If you are not reading my posts then why are you still writing about me. See I am not a foolish person and would never act as if i’m NOT reading your post, and yet still responding to them. I am reading your posts so I’m not the foolish one because I am addressing your comments. You are the foolish one to respond to a post simply because it is coming from me. How do you know it is talking about you. I didn’t mention your name in my last post so you have to be reading it. But will you acknowledge this. Never.. My whole point……

Once again this is all about submission. I don’t think a man should always be right but the point of this exchange is to show that some women will never admit that they are wrong. How can a man function with a wife that is irrational and has to get the last word even if it has lost all its sense and sting? You have proved my point time and time again. But I guarantee that you will write back referencing me. Why? Because your type is predictable. I have the notion your husband figured this out too.

The point is until you look at yourself and ask why do I have a problem with submission to a valid point, then you will continue to blame your husband instead of looking at and maybe changing some things about yourself.

Hmmm…CALIFEMME…Are YOU still there? I know it took a long time to get my last post Up…I’ll wait a few more minutes, just in case you are writing Your Response…

CrystalClearNY, What a mouthful! LOL..

I know most likely A LOT of the women here will disagree with some points I will make, but here goes…And keep in mind this is MY OPINION, it’s not etched in stone for all to partake in…

I think that the factors and examples you gave most definitely speak to why black women aren’t excited about the idea of ‘submitting’ to a man these days…

When you lump in society itself, all the messages, media we get that speak directly against submitting to your man, it’s very well understood why. As far back as I can recall growing up, the songs we listened to sent the message of disrespect between men and women, so that caused a great divide. You have male artists on one hand calling women bytches and hoes, and on the other hand you have female artists saying..”We don’t need them..”. And if there was a song about a relationship, someone got abused, cheated on, or stole someone else’s man/woman just because they could…..

Why should we submit when EVERYTHING says not to? Another ill aspect is the LACK of strong black homes. How can we expect grown women who have grown up minus a strong father to even recognize the right man to submit to? How can we expect our young black males to be those men when they didn’t see them growing up either? No, no, I am not blaming this on the black man…Jointly, I have seen and worked with as well as been close friends with MANY black women who don’t even pull the right kind of men. They didn’t want the ‘good guy’, they didn’t want the quiet, calm, homebody type of guy. He wasn’t exciting enough for her. So she SETTLED with the opposite, and got opposite results of what she realized she wanted 15 years and 3 kids too late…

See our generation of parents kinda ‘dropped the ball’ with us. Their parents sent them out into the world with a great head on their shoulders, but when they sent us out, they had gotten complacent with their present times. A lot of us had the great opportunity to witness and be privy to our parents and their generation work together, but they didn’t teach us that. We had to trek, stumble, research and get that on our on, IF we chose to.

Personally, I grew up in a home where my mother did submit to my father. She nurtured, took care of, basically the ‘rock’ of the family. He in turn made sure she NEVER wanted for anything physically/mentally/emotionally. They were together for 36 years before he passed away. THAT is my role model, that is where my mindset comes from.

This is really a HUGE topic that has hundreds of sub topics to the issue. It can’t be determined or answered in a forum like this. Easily and bottomline, IN MY OPINION…Black women don’t readily submit because they haven’t witnessed it, nor have they ever encountered the success of it. Black men haven’t quite been privy to the ways in which to operate successfully in that type of relationship, for the same reasons as well.

-Media has led to the destruction of OUR relationships…
-European influence has led to the destruction of OUR relationships..
-The WHITE woman’s movement led to destruction….
-Integration led to destruction among US collectively…

Everything throughout our history since we touched down on these shores has led to our destruction, in the manner of, We don’t need each other anymore…
How can you get someone to submit when they don’t feel that they need you…???
How do you want someone to submit to you when you don’t feel that you need them??

Hmmm…That was a Huge Mouthful of Truth you just shared, right there! And illustrates the Need for some fresh, new Input/Info/& Statistics…I intend to get my Answers straight from the Horses Mouth, so to speak…Today’s lost/wandering/confused Youth (and perhaps even from some of the Parents that birthed Them). It is a question that burns inside my Soul, and I simply have to Do My Part to find out the Answers…Good/Bad/or Indifferent, though the resulting Info may Be. If it is a fruitless Cause, it is also, at the Very Least, A Worthy One…

Epidemy24, Ok, I have stayed out of you and crystlclear’s exchange all this time, BUT I have read your posts on the by…

Both of you made good points, and both made points I didn’t agree with..But neither one of you is communicating very well with the other.

I think, reason being, is that you both have had very different experiences with the opposite sex, as well as, different upbringing I’m guessing…Neither one of you can ‘force’ your beliefs on the other as to how a man and woman are supposed to operate together when the two of you can’t agree on ANYTHING thus far…lol

Crystalclear has already admitted to having had some rough issues growing up as well as with her marriage…Taking that into account, I’m sure she can also admit to having to do some ‘self reflecting’, and internal ‘work’ as it were before she steps back out there in the dating poole.
Now I don’t know what lurks in your background, but I’m sure it hasn’t been picture perfect, and there is ALWAYS room for self improvement…

Trust and believe I have had my fair share of man vs woman disagreements on and offline, BUT I try to quell or disarm before it reaches a certain point, back off period, or atleast let that person know that there are no ‘hard feelings’ and we can agree to very well disagree…I would even humbly suggest that you two exchange private notes just to get a ‘feel’ for where the other is coming from so it’s not so blatant and obtrusive as a forum for everyone to bear witness to…But again I say…just my opinion to my brothers and sisters…

crystalclearNY, I don’t think your cause is fruitless at all…Any and every attempt that is made to find out about ourselves, especially to become a bit better than who we are now, is always worthy and will bear fruition…

Hmmm…Califemme…Dont even Bother, sis. He is detemined to continue posting to Me, and I Ignore Him & Skip His Posts, period…If he needs me to discontinue referencing him in my posts to leave it alone…SO BE IT. Now, please, lets stay on Topic, and not get bogged down in that silly Distraction…IF HE CANT BELIEVE THAT I DONT READ HIS POSTS DUE TO HIS PUSHY INSISTENCE AND EGO, THATS HIS PROBLEM…

Okay…I want to end this Nite’s exchange on a good Note, so I will share a silly Topic for a Sec…

Califemme…Did you see that earlier post I put up about some fool who walked into a Bank out here and robbed it with a DARTH VADAR outfit on (complete with Mask/Robe/& Gloves)…S**t…It was 90 degrees out here today! Check back if you want a good Laugh…that s**t was funny as Hell! (LOL) It’s about 2 pages back or so…

Hmmm…Thanks For Answering My Question, anyway…I am Outta Here! Just about to finish editing my Manuscript in another week or two…Then the real work begins! Composing cover letters/getting a Website Up/Finishing Up CopyWriting all of my Poems/Several Short Stories/& “sliding Down Sugar Hill/Researching Publishers/Agents to Represent My Interests/Going to Poetry Slams to get an Initial Buzz started with My Poems/Creating the Cover Art/Researching Any Potential Pitfalls for First Time Authors…and then Springboarding off of any Momentum & Networking Gained through sharing My Poetry to the finish Line…Having a Publishing Worthy & Marketable Project on the Market & In Bookstores! It’s been pretty interesting in this Forum though…I’ll be checking in from Time to Time…It’s been very Real & Eye Opening, in several ways…Peace.

Ummm…Shabless05 sent me this note….Since I don’t do that private angry lesbian, man hating homo-shyt….I’ll just share it with you all…

I know the ancestors would have wanted me to…ENJOY!

—— Original note ——

From: shabless05
To: CaliFemme23
Subject: i’m stepping to you now

i do not have to lie about anything i post. for your information i sent the link to a few sisters and it it obvious they accessed the site under my account. i found out who sent the post. i dont ever have to hide behind s**t to express whatever it is i’m feeling. i see you like an audience, so let me step to you in private.

your immature actions of name calling really doesn’t affect me. you may get a few laughs to help boost your ego trip, but everything i stated was fact. everything that comes out of your mouth sounds like a bunch of rants made by these half ass brothers in the so-called conscious community. you are spewing their words as if you have been brainwashed. i challenge you to dig and do the research and come up with your own opinions and words and stop mimicking these half ass sub conscious individuals.

you see many like to hide behind the internet, but i’m not one of them. now i know you would enjoy if i made this public so you could get your little ego trip off, but i stepped to you in private to let you know if I have anything to say to you, i have no problem addressing you personally.

now you could take this s**t and twist it and turn it into whatever fantasy you wish. you could make up lies and say whatever you want, but the truth is what it is.

now, you call yourself black, but when you disrespect the ancestors, you’re insulting yourself. you will never hear the cracker disrespect his ancestral lineage the way you have. all to get a laugh and comment back by others who are just as ignorant as you are. your foolishness will lead you to your own destruction and demise because you REFUSE to acknowledge that there is another side of the story.

when you get a little more knowledge under your belt, and you have gathered a little more information about the ancient matriarchal system that existed long before the farce of a system that’s crumbling now, then maybe we could have an intelligent conversation. but it seems to me you are nothing but a drama queen whose looking for praise and approval from people who couldn’t give a good got damn about you.

i never disrespected you, i never called you out of your name and i never used foul language towards you until now. but you want to be just as foul as the cracker you seem to blame for all of our problems.

let me drop you a little hint, the white man is not the one to blame. take a good look at the continent of africa, and compare it to the size of europe. if every man, woman and child in Europe stood up and decided to invade africa, it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO CONQUER THAT CONTINENT BY THEMSELVES!!!! THEY HAD TO HAVE HELP!!!! The question which you all refuse to ask is WHO HELPED THE EUROPEAN CONQUER THE CONTINENT OF AFRICA????
IT WAS THE BLACK MAN AND SISTERS LIKE YOU WHO BETRAYED THE GREAT MOTHER MATRIARCH!!!

You don’t even acknowledge YOUR OWN DIVINE MOTHER, because if you did, you wouldn’t be encouraging, spreading and propelling the wicked system of submission, male gods, male saviors and male dominance!

All you could do is consistently point the finger at my sexuality, but NEVER bring any evidence that what I’m saying is false. This is the s**t men do and you are playing his game. Have you notice how the men egg you on? How they sit back and watch the women fight? This is what gives them ALL THE POWER! They know they can’t hang with the verbal combat of women, because it is the WOMAN THAT CREATED LANGUAGE AS WELL AS WARFARE!!!!

They have to sit back and watch THE GODS FIGHT, it makes it easier for them to MAN-ip-u-late us! And you just play right into their hands. Go back and count the number of men who post and compare it to the sisters. Then go back and look at the men who do post, what are they really saying????? Can you not see this, or are you so wrapped up into yourself and your fiery darts you aim at me to even recognize???

Now, knowing you, you probably can’t even digest a word i’ve said. You’ll just pick apart certain phrases, load up your gun and continue the war. But sister let me assure you, I’M NOT THE ENEMY. But if its easier for you to attack me, then save your energy.

I’m sharpening my swords to behead the those who have tried to kill me, my mother and all of her daughters!!!!

So when I say the ancestors have returned, i’m talking about THEIR SPIRIT WHICH LIVES IN US!!!!
We are AT WAR, and it will not be over until SHE IS RESTORED!!!!!

Now, don’t email me with your drama. When you’re ready to talk and build on the facts, hit me up… Other than that you will be deleted…

I say once again…Point me in the direction and history of ANY, all female, homosexual ass civilization that thrived and PRO-CREATED without MEN…

@CalliFemme23
I respect your point and I agree with you about not being able to force our opinions on each other. But this exchange has long since stopped being about trying to discuss the issues of submission. It became about her not acknowlodging valid points i made, becoming frustrated, then dissmissing them as stupid when she couldn’t answer. All I have done is respond to her and counter her points. I know you think this is about me and her getting mad, but It wont get to any bad point from me. If you read my posts you will see that I have not cursed her once. She has cursed me several times and asked me was I stupid early on when I was really still trying to discuss the topic.

It’s not about communicating because you just wrote me a post and I am communicating with you. Although I don’t agree with alot that you said I will say that you have made some good points. That is the point of discussion; for somebody to make a point and when met with valid reasoning, the other party accpeting it, thus learning. I never said that every point I made about submission is right. They are just my views. But i’m talking about her not accepting points I made about “sentences I wrote”, or inconsistencies in her standard she made such as calling jazzy an “ass kisser” for agreeing with me but not calling herself one for agreeing with phazelx.

The point is she is an irrational person. She posted you and said that she is skipping my posts and not reading them yet she says I keep talking about her. How would she know this if she is not reading my posts(some I never even mentioned her name)? You see what I mean? She is writing raps about me but claiming I am obsessed with her!? She has had a war of words with three men; me only her. That should tell you something. The thing is she is probably used to a man backing down to her but I am still here making points.

I understand we didn’t have the same upbringing and that’s okay, but wherever you come from you can still be rational and sensible. The only point I’m making is this exchange is very important to this discussion. She is a classic example of what many men deal with. Women who throw all the blame on, “sorry”, “over controlling” men(I know there are some), but will not acknowledge that the clear inconsistencies in their rational might be a main reason why the idea of “submission” doesn’t work.

And you are right I do have room for self improvement as we all do. The difference is she is airing out her husband but wouldn’t acknowledge points I make that clearly show she has issues that may have had something to do with her marriage souring. If you just read back a couple pages you will see this. But what if I said no I don’t need improvement, and didn’t acknowledge your point and called you stupid? That’s what this is about. Some women put heavy emphasis on submission to men that are “worthy”, when really they are not even open to submitting to a valid point (even from a woman). This is less about submission to a man than submission to “being right”, when there are clear points to show otherwise.

@califemme…I have never met such an ass before in my entire life. but i guess thats the role of the court jester drama queen, sort of like Monique. anywhoo, if you take your head out of your ass and actually read ALL of my POST, i have NEVER mentioned anything about sexuality. that’s your obsession, not mine. i continuously express a system that was in place long before patriarchy and that was AFRICA WAS A MATRIARCHAL SOCIETY. now, either you’re retarded or ignorant, or maybe a little bit of both, but your obsession with my sexuality only points to the fact that you must be a latent homosexual.

you know Harvard University did a case study about homophobic individuals such as yourself. they gathered those who despise homosexuals and grouped them together. they also gathered other human beings who were straight, who claim not to have an issue with people who lived alternative lifestyles. to make a long story short, they attached electrodes to different areas of the brain and let both groups watch the intimacy of homosexuals via video tape. well, low and behold its was the homophobic, bible thumping straight heterosexuals that had the most sexual arousal then those who didn’t give a hoot about homos. basically, they we’re latent homosexuals such as urself.

you see, when you keep paraphrasing, and constantly addressing my sexuality, one cannot wonder if you’re getting aroused?

You see, i tried to address you privately on this matter, but you are the one who wanted a audience. all you are doing is proving my comments to be correct. now, i’m the one who’s flattered. you have taken such interest in me on this forum amongst your peers. now tell me, what are they really going to think about you now??? you see, i have no secrets. i’m not ashamed of who i am, i don’t live in closets. i’m open and i’m honest, but you….hmmm, i met your type before, it ain’t hard to tell.

now since Califemme (did you know femme was a term used a lot in the gay community?) loves her audience and gets off on trying to insult me, she has actually exposed herself…

funny how that works….let me let you in on a little secret…MEN LOVE THIS S**T….lol! whew, this is beginning to be very entertaining for me…you really amuse me.

i wonder what else this clown of a closet homosexual is going to regurgitate now… ooooh, i bet she’s got smoke coming out her ears now…. watch out folks, here she blows!!!

Come on Califemme (did i say that that term was used widely in the gay community?) dayum, you in Cali to?? Mad Freaks out there ya’ll….lol!

While Califemme is ranting, if she did any study o went to actually SEE NATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES she would know that remnants of WOMEN civilizations still stand in some areas of the world. Mexico the Megaliths of Female RUN and Created Civilization still stand. She would know that All Female Socieites still exist in China and in the Islands and even in Arabia. Where one wife still have more than one husband. A BROTHER who is in love with the GREAT MOTHER did a Awesome Article on them. They are even Youtube Videos on some of them.

B***hes that take pics of their ass to get attention, are so focused on getting the approval of men, they are SICK WITH SEMEN on the BBRAIN, they have no time to focus on THEIR OWN HERSTORY. SO Shabless, you already gave her tons of resources and you even gave her a link to the Interview you did with a Matriarichal Educator. If she is to passive and will not study the Divinity of Herself as a Black women. Then, let her kick rocks. Don’t waste your time with sisters who fight for their own demise. She, like so many other women, LOVE WHAT HATES THEM. Hell look at her page, she wants the attenion of men based on her body image. She is to low, let her stay in the gutter. She does not know she is more than ass and tits yet. She may die along with the other black women who get Aids from men they think “love them” or are “straight” when in acutally he is gay.

Let her Kill herself consumming SICK SEMEN all for the sake of “submission.” Shabless don’t waste your time anymore with this blog.

@Goddessnetworks…dayum you are so right! i just checked her page and the little trick is NASTY! you called that one sis! you right, time to let the little bunny go along her w**rish little ways. she ain’t even impressing the dick she’s riding… those niggas too busy trying to hit us up!!!lol.. like i said before, men love this s**t…

Sha Bless has left the building…. dayum u smell that??

@shabless RIGHT! She got her tits and abs out and talking submission bullshyt and SHE STILL SINGLE! The submisive women TRIP ME OUT! They got so much to say but the so called “good brothers” they are defending DON’T WANT THEM! They are in My IM’s asking me for my number. YOU BLACK WOMEN BETTER WAKE UP! Read the book, WHY MEN LOVE B***HES…lol MEN DONT RESPECT SUBS, they only use them. Their heart is ALWAYS with the Side P***y or the Jump off. The women Monique is interviewing HUSBAND LOCKED HER OUT HER OWN HOUSE WHILE HE HAD ANOTHER WOMEN IN THE MARRIAGE BED! You all are listening to the WRONG WOMEN! Why do you think Courtesans RULE THE WORLD. Wifes DONT RULE SHYT. YOU ALL BETTER WAKE UP!

Califemme, put your tits back in. If a man has not snatched you up my now, HE WILL NOT. You cant keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. You are only good for c** dumping. They dont respect women who show all the goodies. So learn HOW TO WALK IN YOUR DIVINE HOOD, then you can school someone else on being “submissive”

ROFL!!!!!

lmao @ JazzyCreations
Jul. 23rd, 2010
at 3:16 am
Wow.. this has truly gotten out of hand. Now i guess we need a gay dude to come in and give his opinion and we can shut this one down. Peace. (page 26) so true!

lmfao @
twelvetwelve
Jul. 23rd, 2010
at 8:28 am
@ shabless no one else is signing into you account to post more of your dick loathing propaganda. The likely explanation is you are the culprit and you are schizophrenic. Not only would this explain why you yhink other ppl are sneaking on to your account to post this poorly crafted garbage but it explains your general line of thinking. Your prolly trying to bite your ears now lookin real crazy. Mental illness is not a joke

@ crystal & edipem ok that makes sense thanks :) anyways i want to read more posts from jazzycreations & twelvetwelve they are funny motherf**kers lol

shabless05, Come on now….I know y’all don’t know me like that, but you have to do better than this to ‘shake’ me…

ONE chick taking turns pretending to be different people, just to lodge insults? Simply because I put the angry little dyke on blast?

GoddessNetwork can’t even spell, and you shabless05 have indeed exposed yourself as the FRAUD that you are…

See, you came with the peace and love, uplift the sisters, (thats lesbian code for: I HATE DlCK BECAUSE I DON’T HAVE ONE), You didn’t grow up with a father, your marriage failed horribly, and judging by that ‘Joe Camel’/mouth full of TOMBSTONES look you got goin on, I don’t blame the guy. If he made you a dyke, I know for damn sure you made him gay…So it’s easy to see why you don’t like men now…Poor thing..

But you will not infect those of us women that know how society and relationships are supposed to operate. I have yet to meet a dyke that didn’t try to TURN everyone else into an angry, bitter, d!ck envying, carpet munching old spinster like herself, (that would be YOU).

My thing is this though…Why be a dyke and HATE men, but try your BEST to look like one? Timbs, baggy jeans, and let’s not forget the ever present strap-ons…laughable it is, the lengths you chicks go to, in order to be what you detest…

You’re damn right I front this frame in my pictures and you most assuredly were either jealous cuz you’re boney, OR you want to taste…which is it? And you really can’t come at me about being single, (which i’m not), because you yourself couldn’t keep your husband anyway…Don’t be the homo-pot calling the heterosexual kettle black now!

And since you are all about knowledge…Let me school you..

THE TERM ‘FEMME’ is the french word for FEMALE, it was never originally used to refer to dykes, and I will not let the carpet munching community twist what I learned in a high school foreign language class way back in ’96′…You homo’s might change the weak one’s, but not here dearest…

In closing, Im glad I could make such a ‘boring’ forum more to your liking, you fckin fraud! Now go ahead and spend the next 2hours logging in and out as different people to respond back…

You see, I don’t need more than ONE Mardria to put yo OLD ass in check…

Epidemy24, Alright brother….I got you…I’m kinda curious to go back and read exactly what got you two at each other’s bad side now…

And by the way, if either party, on either side has some previous lingering issues…RATIONALE isn’t even in their vocabulary until they get over whatever it is that hampers them…male or female….

Hmmm…Wow! Got up to change my 2 year old’s Pamper a little while ago and couldnt get back to sleep due to the overwhelming Heat&Humidity NYC is suffering through right now. Turned on the computer since nothing good was on TV to see what You All were debating about since my last LogIn…and lo and Behold it was ME! Now this is becoming Ridiculous. So I am shedding some Light, and giving this Forum space to take it as You please, because unlike some, I have to spend the next month or two preparing to launch my poetry/short story/& Manuscript…and this forum is becoming bogged down with this whole Crystal vs Epidemy Nonsense! I’d rather NOT be a source of Discontent…take it as a joke/as I am running/as I am afraid to respond…Whatever. NY’ers are notoriously tough…so I can Take It. What does irritate me is LIARS, and Men who are far too PUSHY…So…

CALIFEMME…Please, by all means, when you get a chance & have the time to Spare, check back in the Archives to the beginning of the War of Words between EPIDEMIC & I…He would have you believe that I became irrational…Not true,though I did become Insulting. In fact, I tried to end the Debate between He & I several times on a Cordial Note, expressing that he had the Right to his Opinion/Viewpoint & So Do I. For further Insight into the Matter, check these pages, where it all Began…And draw your Own Conclusions. As for Me, I would rather Apply my Energy to the project I discussed with You earlier, re: Preparing my manuscript for Publication/& Preparing an Outline for Book #2. I appreciate your trying to Mediate this Issue…But I cannot allow that silly Mess to bog Me down or distract Me from My Flow. Thanks again for keeping it Lively…Here are several posts to check out, from the start of the Downward Turn between EPIC & I…

July 19th…9:11am…p.15
July 19th…5:10 pm…p.16
July 19th…6:18pm…p.17
July 20th…9:18pm & 9:22am
July 20th…1:20pm & 1:28pm
July 20th…1:33pm & 3:53pm
July 20th…6:13pm & 6:26pm
July 20th…7:42 & 7:47pm
July 20th…8:00pm

AGAIN, I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH DEBATING/REBUTTING ANY TOPIC WITH HIM…UNTIL HE BECAME PUSHY & INSISTENT, THAT I ANSWER EVER INCREASING EPICS. SINCE I AM THE ONLY FULL TIME PARENT IN THIS HOUSEHOLD, MY RESPONSIBILITIES ARE NUMEROUS & SOMETIMES ENDLESS. SOMETIMES I HAVE TIME TO WRITE EPICS MYSELF…SOMETIMES NOT. AFTER DEBATING NUMEROUS TIMES OVER THE DAYS POSTED ABOVE, IT WAS CLEAR TO ME THAT THIS MAN WAS WILLING TO SPEND MUCH TIME ASKING ME QUESTIONS…BUT STRANGELY SHYED AWAY WHEN I POINTEDLY ASKED HIM TO SHARE INFO ABOUT HIS PAST RELATIONSHIPS…HE CAME BACK AT ME WITH A SNIPPY COMMENT TO THE EFFECT THAT HE HAD NO PAST FAILED MARRIAGE TO DISCUSS…SIDESTEPPING THE ISSUE, BECAUSE I NEVER ASKED HIM ABOUT HIS “MARRIAGE”, FAILED OR OTHERWISE, I ASKED ABOUT “HIS PAST RELATIONSHIPS” AND ASKED HIM TO CROSS REFERENCE THAT INFO WITH HIS POSITION ON SUBMISSION…SAME AS HE WAS ASKING ME TO DO. ANYWAY, I AM DONE WITH IT. I ALREADY AGREED NOT TO REFERENCE HIM IN ANY MORE POSTINGS, A PAGE OR TWO AGO…AND THEN HE CONTINUES TO GO FORWARD WITH HIS OBSESSION OVER MY VIEWPOINT…? HUH…WTF? IN ANY CASE, I AGREED NOT TO DO SO ANYMORE, SO I WILL HONOR THAT, JUST SO THE FORUM CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FRESH IDEAS.

To Epidemy24…I AGREED NOT TO REFERENCE YOU ANYMORE…LOOK BACK A PAGE OR TWO IF YOU HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT THAT AT ALL. NOW, IT IS OVER FOR ME…PERHAPS NOT FOR YOU, BUT I GIVE YOU MY WORD AS AN HONORABLE PERSON THAT I WILL NOT CONTINUE ON REFERENCING YOU, AS EPIDEMIC, PERIOD. TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH TO YOU (PERHAPS NOTHING..OH WELL), AND I WISH YOU MUCH FUTURE SUCESS IN LIFE. FROM TODAY FORTH, THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER REFERENCES TO YOU…GOOD DAY & HAVE A GOOD LIFE. Hope you all can move On from It…If not…Oh well. I am choosing To Do So…Now, Good Nite…I am going back to Bed. My little ones will be Up soon…

P.S. CALIFEMMME…I must say, I do hope that You & SHABLESS 05 dont become fodder for some of these Men who enjoy tuning in to be “Entertained” by throwing gasoline on your Fires & Setting a Match to Watch You Two Blaze! Both of You have admittedly made some Good Points, and I hate to see two Intelligent Sisters go at each other Like That. I’m sure several ‘Firestarters’ will be tuning in Today to enjoy the show…Hopefully both of You sisters will continue debating about the Issues at Hand, and not about tearing Each Other down. You are both Intelligent, Informed young Women, unfortunately it is clear You are both on Complete Opposite sides of the Fence. Continue Uplifing this forum as You do make the Effort to Do…but I hope you two can end your exchange positively as Well. Good Luck to You Both! Remember, many Men secretly enjoy watching women Fight/Bicker/& rip each other to Shreds. Thanks for taking the time out to Answer my question, though…Your analysis of my position regarding the 2nd Book were Insightful and pretty Accurate. Again, Good Luck& Blessings to You, and Shabless05…

To: ALL…IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN CHECKING IN ON WHAT Califemme & I debated/discussed yesterday, without a single word of Rancor or Disrespect to each other, it all begins on the bottom of Page 28 at 8:53 pm. Sisters, please try NOT to tear each Other down Today for the Enjoyment of a Few…

If only he’s been submmissivie to me likewise because in a marriage you are no longer two but one. And when you truly love your husband or wife it doesent matter its beyond measure.

BellesHalo….

@crystalclearny WHO SAID

To: ALL…IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN CHECKING IN ON WHAT Califemme & I debated/discussed yesterday, without a single word of Rancor or Disrespect to each other, it all begins on the bottom of Page 28 at 8:53 pm. Sisters, please try NOT to tear each Other down Today for the Enjoyment of a Few…

100 PERCENT IN AGREEMENT…. and your so right about this humidity in NY I truly hate NY summers.lol but i love its winters with like 18 feet of smow.im not kidding.I welcome it.dont know why i love it.grab the uggs,hot choclate and play tackle football with your closes friends in all that. I know I know,but I like it. :)

I have no issues and you tried to end it but after your first post to me when you asked was I “stupid”, I had to come hard with the follow up . The way I figure you can’t insinuate that somebody is stupid and then when they ask you a respectful, but tough question(to challenge their claims of your stupidity) say im through, with the debate. That is throwing around frivilous claims and not being able to prove the person is actually what you said they were. Thats like punching somebody and when they swing back saying I tried to end it after i hit him but he kept swinging. If you had not insinuated that I was stupid, then I would not have been as adimant about you stating your posistion. But I have no problem moving on. I wish you well too. I never had a problem with you because i don’t know you that’s why I didn’t call you any insulting names or curse you out. Sure I said irrational but that was based on you saying you weren’t reading my posts but commenting on them.

And as far as me sharing info about my past relationships, I figured that was a rhetorical question because at that point you didn’t seem like you were interested in discussing the issue anymore, but trust I have no problem in discussing mine and even admitting some fault on my behalf in them. That’s the main point I was trying to get you to see, if anybody is going to get better we can’t always dwell on the other persons mishaps. If we don’t look at our own then we don’t grow and the next situation will sour as well.

As I said many times before if you are through I am through. I am not a bully as you will notice I dind’t have three or four posts(aimed at you) to your one trying to keep throwing jabs. Only one post(maybe long) to respond to whatever you said, as I felt you came at me wrong at first with the “stupid” comment. Each post was in defense of myself and position. But Peace

crystalclearNY, Will check it out…

As far as the angry dyke patrol….I’m done, she exposed herself like most homo’s do…They hate men..period, so they can’t have a debate like this, concerning heterosexuals…

ShaBless:

If Africa was a matriarchal society as you claim, and was defeated by a white patriarchal one, then obviously the matriarchal society of Africa wasn’t strong enough to keep the white man at bay! In other words: IT FAILED US. What foolishness you have subscribed to…! I’m not sure what comic book you learned your so-called facts from, but I’d love to add it to my collection.

What’s the king of all African beasts? The lion. Lions are a patriarchal society. Who are the lions archenemies? The hyenas. Hyenas are a matriarchal society. In the absence of the male lion’s presence, hyenas rule the day. But the moment that shaggy mane shows up, hyenas run for cover! Because the feminine will ALWAYS be in submission to the masculine.

It’s the divine natural order of things. That’s why you never find two female lions mounting each other in some type of sexual display! Why? ‘Cause its not natural! Its not by accident that lions are found primarily in Africa. God has a way of teaching us through many different methods.

When you take away the leadership role of the masculine, you leave yourselves open for exploitation. Isn’t that kinda obvious at this point? If according to you the male’s defined role is that of your protector, he obviously has to be stronger than you in order to protect you! Smh…

Whoever licked your kitten got in your head REAL good with that nonsense! Oh by the way: you can catch AIDS from bumping cootchies too…in case you didn’t know. So blaming aids on men alone makes you and your homegirl sound stupid.

You accuse CaliFemme of having jizz on the brain; when your fingers are knuckle deep up in some other chick’s ass…what’s on YOUR brain?

CrystalClearNY:

I’m ready to address you now. Epidemy is right on the money: you have been extremely irrational in the way you debate with the men on this forum. I observed the exchange between the two of you, as well as with others. I watched you attempt to demean and eviscerate the brothers when their comments didn’t agree with yours. You have some SERIOUS mental issues going on in that little head of yours!

Now I see you trying to get CaliFemme to come take a visit to Lezboville with you and ShaBless! I watched as you challenged nothing ShaBless said; just accepted her statements as facts without doing any type of research to verify. Amazing! Are you THAT shallow and so easily swayed? Now I see how so many of my sisters get turned out to the gay lifestyle so easily.

If she came on here and told you the damn Easter bunny was real and we all descended from her, you’d believe that ish too; as long as it uplifts the feminine and puts down the masculine. Smh..

It’s obvious to anyone reading this that you too are a man-hater…and if you haven’t already gone the route of ‘cat-lapping’, you aint far from it! I wish you and ShaBless the best…

man WTF??? C’MON now….how tha hell do we go from a woman submitting to a man, to a WOMAN WHO THINKS SHE’S A MAN..talking about women having power and yada yada yada??? here u see a bunch of ppl who can’t even have their own opinion, without being brainwashed by someone elses…for 1 I WILL ONLY agree with something if its truth….and SHABLESS STOP THE BULL…Talking about men love that gay s**t..real talk if any man loves that s**t its because he’s TWISTED ALSO…..now, like i’ve said…ppl want to sit up and talk about women running THINGS back then…BUT WOULD THOSE WOMEN BE HERE, HAD it not BEEN FOR A MAN????? simple ?…A WOMAN, WAS CREATED FROM A MAN..THERES NOTHING TO ARGUE ABOUT…..PPL WITH THERE LITTLE BULLSHYT THEORIES…THINKING U HAVE THINGS ALL FIGURED OUT…WHEN U REALLY DONT KNOW S**T…ITS THAT SIMPLE…KILL THE BULL….I MEAN REALLY….U CANT HAVE THE SAME DEBATE TO LONG B4 START TALKING OUT OF THEIR ASSES SMH…

lol @ You accuse CaliFemme of having jizz on the brain; when your fingers are knuckle deep up in some other chick’s ass…what’s on YOUR brain?

WatchMeSucceed
Jul. 24th, 2010
at 3:48 pm,

LMAO!!! I know I said I was ‘done’ here, but I had to come back, glad I did…watchmesucceed made it worth the trip!

lezboville…classic

LOL. The saga continues.

Ok so I guess I’m banned from stating someone’s name in my posts.

As I was attempting to reply to yesterday:

@CrystalFoggy – I’m always on the team of LOGICAL&COMMON SENSE. If you choose to play on ILLOGICAL&MENTALLY DISTURBED, that’s your business.

@CrystalFOGGY: You think this forum is your personal FACEBOOK PAGE.
You are a facebook reject which is why you hang in here with all your personal business. I’m sure you turned off everyone in your facebook circle. Why are you telling us about your mornings changing diapers and other shyt? NEWSFLASH: We dont give a F*ck! Take your ass to Facebook if you want to give a play by play of your day. All excited about finding out you were the topic of the discussion this morning. LOL. Shut your dumb @ss up. Let’s stick to the damn subject.

I really cant see how men and women dont need each other.I think its just how need each other that is up for debate.I know one thing,GOD did make a MAN stronger physically than women for important reasons..but he should never misuse his powers towards us.I dont know about everyone else but I dont have a problem listening to a man who puts the teachings the ENTIRE teachings and understanding on how he is suppose to treat women and applies that to himself towards women.because this kind of man wouldnt have a problem listening to a woman either.they are both working towards the same goal in becoming one but with some specific roles towards one another.i dont have a problem being SUBMISSIVE towards the RIGHT MAN JUST AS HE WOULDNT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM TOWARDS ME.

TO ME ,its all about the understanding of the word SUBMISSIVE and how its being applied or taking out of context.

as for me ,I need and love MEN. Because the RIGHT ONE CAN ONLY MAKE MY LIFE JOURNEY THAT MUCH RICHER in a friendship,partner,confidant,advisor,protector,and of course lover only for me as i should be for him.

we really have to start to understand that we are suppose to co exist with each other and respect each other.NOT WOMEN TRYING TO CONQUER MEN AND MEN TRYING TO CONQUER WOMAN.that just causes war between us.that aint blissful living.

“Be selective in the type of man who you allow to take a leadership role in the relationship. Get to know him, his heart and his spirit. Know yourself. What you want and do not want.”

Good article…. I concur….

@Courtney R:
I so totally agree with your statement as for I feel the same as you do about this subject!

@ watchmesucceed – You totally avoided responding to any of the “issues” that I had responded to from your earlier post…. which tells me that I probably hit very close to home…

Another thing… I said nothing about “humping” and “dumping”… unless that “why” you posted that ridiculous comment, to which I responded… but still …. you can try to play it off as a “joke”… but I’m sure to the vast majority of people who will/have read your postings…will not see it as humorous…

Either way, I’m done with posting about this topic… best wishes and an abundance of blessing be on to you, your loved ones, and to all whom we don’t know exist.

Hmmm…So much work to Do, & so Little Time…But Anyway…

To: COURTNEY R: I noticed your words to Me. Thanks for taking the time…

To: EPIDEMY24…I disagree on some points, but I acknowlege your right to Your own opinion. Good luck to You & Your Family…

To Watch Me Succeed…”…to take a Visit to Lezboville…?” I see why you Avoided my questions to You, and Yazzie’s and several other women as well…You’d rather talk about that silly s**t! So, you have not “addressed” anything…But dont worry about my questions, I stopped caring when you started ducking Them. Perhaps Yazzie is still interested in your response. Once I saw that you were a representative of the “Hit It & Quit It” Squad…I realized where your Ideas spring from, anyway…The crotch of Your Pants! Anyway, why bother to respond to someone whom you think is “Irrational” and “Emotional”? Because You like jumping on Bandwagons, I see…Before you claimed to be taking the high road…Now you stoop to silly Insults! Oh Well…You already know what I think of You, and I know what you think Of Me (YYYAAWWWWNNNNNN…) No Big Deal…

To: CALIFEMME: Thanks for keeping it Lively & Interesting, and drawing your own Conclusions, not being a puppet for someone else’s words…

To: JAZZY CREATIONS…”Crystalfoggy” is a poor attempt to slur Me…But you probably cant do better, so…Ha, Ha…that was SOooo Funny, Jazzy! Feel vindicated, Now? Next time, try adding something to this Forum on Submission besides slapstick Comedy/Jokes/Silly Commentary & Endless Hi Fives…Or, just keep being the Court Jester that you Are…Somebody needs an Entourage & An endless Ass Kisser, somewhere, I am Sure…

To : COurtney R…I think that a Whole Lot of Women share that same Viewpoint. We are not all overwhelmingly opposed to “subitting” to the Right Man…It’s just hard to “find” one that wont use that position for his own Selfish Gain…In NYC, its Like trying to Hit the Lotto! But I must admit in all fairness…Extremely difficult…but Not Impossible. Good/Loyal/Stable/Family Oriented Men do still exist…

Sorry..Meant to say “submitting”…typo.

BTW…EPIDEMY24…Any info or thoughts regarding my posting on July 23rd, at 9:21pm…? And I am not being sarcastic or baiting You in any way…Just wondered what you thought about It…?

Submit to my man…no problem; but, he has to be qualified.

I can’t go around sumbittin to just any man…like say, Tyrone on the Corner
(No offense to anyone named Tyrone AND/OR is usually hanging out on the street corner at odd hours of the day, noon or night)

Ultimately, If we’re not communicating and trusting one another, it won’t work.

I thought you were through with me lol but anyway

I think the statistical info would help. While I don’t know the stats, I’ve always felt women in rural areas were more receptive to submissive roles. I feel that everything in rural areas is more basic. When you ‘re spread out you tend to be closer as a community. This causes girls to be able to intamately observe several houselhods were women being submissive works. And even if that example is not prevelant in her house, the husbands in the rural area are more involved in her life, as a community, that she still is impacted by it. You are more submissive to older people, to helping other people out in the area who may not have a car, lawnmower, etc…This all rubs off because it tends to be less of a “me” mentality, and more..humble, submit mysef for the good of our small community . The community holds you more accountable for you behavior in a rural area.

In urban areas, the hussle and bussle causes everyone to be so isolated. Also when people are right up on each other, they tend to be more concentrated on their individual households. So a girl is basically only intimately observing her household.

As far as socioeconomic issues, i feel this has an affect as well. If a girl grows up in a household where there is no man and sees her mother handling all the financial responsibilities, when she gets older she will be less likely to submit. Why? I’ve seen my mother make it “independently”. Even if there is a man in the house but they have money problems while she is growing up, she will be less receptive to submission. Why? More than likely her mother, even if she submitted to her father, will become more agitated and express her discontent with his leadership. She might do this be verbally, “snapping” on him from time to time, or being more passive but still complaining to herself(which the daughter might here). A girl that grows up in a more stable financial environment with the father as the main provider will usually have a mother that is more satisfied and less agitated. Therefore she will be more receptive to submission to a man, because the idea didn’t “break” her mother.

Women want the companionship of a man because this is a basic need for a straight woman. Submissiveness is not a basic need of a straight woman. It is a basic need of a straight man. And that is the basic root of the problem. Some wome want a husband but are unwilling, maybe because of upbringing, to submit. Some women want to and some women just don’t.

Wow. Now if you haven’t read this entire blog I suggest you print this out it’s worth the trees. You will then pretty much understand what submission is truly about.

It appears Crystalfoggy is finally submitting to Epidemy24. Hmmmm I wonder why. Could it be that the man made total sense since he arrived with his opinion on the topic? Is this REALLY crystalfoggy? The same person that spent like a week name calling, ignoring his posts, and now wants his opinion? Somebody’s medication is working again. Say what you want about me but I’m always consistent. Your roller coaster ride here is well doc**ented I do not need to say anymore. Are you done here now? You’ve finally submitted. Now head on over to Myspace. Peace.

To: Epidemy24…Thanks for checking it out. I always wanted to doc**ent this phenomenon as described in that particular posting…Now that I am in the last 50 pages of my edit on the 1st Manuscript, the finish line is in sight, and I am forming an outline for the second Book…Thanks again, good luck to You & your Family.

JAZZY: It is CRYSTALCLEAR that you dont even read all of the postings by the people you so foolishly waste your Energy On…Do you even have a Clue what I was asking about? No? Well, check out the posting, before opening your Mouth. In fact, here is a question for You…What do YOU think about that same posting? (July 23, 9:21pm) I already know you can barely understand the points I made…You may have to ask someone More Intelligent than Yourself to Explain It To You, First! You are a fly that flits from pile to pile, cracking stupid jokes about Facebook & other silly s**t…But are you a fly that can Answer an Intelligent Question…? We all know the Answer to that One…(LOL) Try answering the question, before assuming that I am “submitting” to Anyone. Unlike You, I can recognize intelligence, even in someone that I dont agree With! STOP TRYING TO ADD FUEL TO THE FIRE, HOPING TO ENJOY MORE OF YOUR “ENTERTAINMENT”…This battle of words is Over, whether You like it Or Not, whether it pleases you Or Not, and whether you find it “Entertaining” (as you foolishly said) or Not! Trying to stir up the fires between Myself & another Individual shows that you are no better than the Ignorant People who stop to watch a Fight,and continue to egg on the Combatants! But this is already done, so you can stand there waiting for it to flare Up again…OR PERHAPS, Drop a Meaningful Addition to the Forum…and based upon Your previous Comments, I already know that You CAN’T post anything more meaningful than shucking-and-jiving, joking and smirking, and another load of B.S… just like the Slaves who used to agree with the Overseer, to save their own skin! No one even takes you seriously on this site, bro…You are EVERYONE’S ENTERTAINMENT! I,on the other hand, simply find you to be a Clown in a Suit! Stop playing silly games, and start writing something more relevant…IF you can!

BTW…JAZZY…YOU are the person I was referring To, in my posting on July 24th (8:23am)…But I’m sure You will want to skip THAT one! I’ll end it in your own Phony Words (like you really want to see Peace for Anyone…That would interrupt your “Entertainment”, right?)…Peace!

Yazzie:

What issues have I avoided sweetie? Again, I make NO apologies for what I’ve previously stated. I said what i meant and meant what I said! But overall my posts were designed to make you think about things from a different perspective. I feel that a lot of sisters have some twisted ideals about relationships that need correcting.

If i offended you: you’ll live! We’re not children having this discussion. I’m sure you can take what I have to say…

CrystalClear:

Still waiting on the verification of ShaBless’ so called facts from you…

I stopped answering you because you were totally unreasonable in your dialogue. You couldn’t win your argument so you resorted to name calling and insults to try and throw me off my game. An obviously childish move. Plus, my pops told me years ago: If a person passing by sees you arguing with a fool, they can’t tell which one of you is the fool…

We can compete with each other for forever an a day but the truth remains; all conversations here are disingenuous. on several occasion I have attempted to inject harmony through solution

No response has been given. most if not all will not recognize that this intimate conversation concerning the state of OUR union is saturated with BITTER critic yet void of solution

GIVEN THE STATE OF THE BLACK MANS HEART AND THE BLACK WOMANS SOUL IT IS HIGH TIME THAT WE LIVE HIGHER AND LOVE A BEING FOR A BEING AND NOT A COLOR.

tHE BLACK WOMAN IS THE MOST ACTIVE A VIRAL ENEMY OF THE BLACK MAN AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED COMPLETELY FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS AND ANY BLACK MAN THAT IS NOT PRESENTLY WITH A SUPPORTIVE BLACK WOMAN SHOULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER PROCREATING WITH A BLACK WOMAN.

LEAVE HER UNPROTECTED FOR 15 YEARS IF NO MAN WILL PROTECT HER AND SHE WILL NOT RETURN TO HER NATURAL MATE

KILL HER WITH STONES

SHE REPRESENTS SKIN IN HER SKIN AND IF SHE WILL NOT REPRESENT TO THE FULLEST

CONFISCATE HER SKIN AND OFFER HER NOTHING

BLACK MAN DON’T PANIC AS A DOCTOR AND A REPRODUCTION SCIENTIST IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE BLACK DOMINATE GENE, SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN AS A / THE DOMINANT GENE TO BE ELIMINATED FROM THE GENE POOL.

IF WE ARE TRULY TO LIVE OUT THE EXAMPLE OF CHRIST WE MUST EMBRACE ALL BELIEVERS NO MATTER WHAT COLOR THEY COME IN.

ANY ONE WHO WILL NOT EXCEPT THIS COMMANDMENT IS AN ENEMY OF GOD AND OF HIS KINGDOM OF LOVE TRUTH PEACE FREEDOM AND JUSTICE.

THE ATTITUDES OF HUMANITY HAVE GOT’N TO THE POINT WHERE ANY TALK OF GOD IMMEDIATELY BRINGS ON PERCEPTIONS OF HYPOCRISY.

but THROWING THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER IS MENTAL ATROPHY AND SPIRITUAL IGNORANCE.

IF ANY OF THESE WORDS ARE BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION TO ASSIMILATE AND UNDERSTAND, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT YOU ARE UNQUALIFIED AT THIS POINT TO OFFER A QUALIFYING NOTEWORTHY OPINION ON THIS MATTER AND ARE MORE THAN LIKELY COMMENTING FROM A LIMITED LIFE EXPERIENCE.

PEACE BE WITH YOU BUT BUT HOLD YOUR PEACE.

EACH IGNORANT SPOUT IS FODDER FOR THE ANGRY, BITTER AND DISENFRANCHISED

MAN IS MAN WOMAN IS WOMAN IF YOU ARE NOT SURE OF THE DIFFERENCE ASK SOMEBODY.

IF YOU ARE TO PROUD TO ASK FOR EXPLANATION OR INSTRUCTIONS

YOU ARE WELCOME TO DIE

….AND LET ME BE THE FIRST TO WELCOME YOU

BYE

JazzyCreations
Jul. 26th, 2010
at 7:31 am
Wow. Now if you haven’t read this entire blog I suggest you print this out it’s worth the trees. You will then pretty much understand what submission is truly about.
It appears Crystalfoggy is finally submitting to Epidemy24. Hmmmm I wonder why. Could it be that the man made total sense since he arrived with his opinion on the topic? Is this REALLY crystalfoggy? The same person that spent like a week name calling, ignoring his posts, and now wants his opinion? Somebody’s medication is working again. Say what you want about me but I’m always consistent. Your roller coaster ride here is well doc**ented I do not need to say anymore. Are you done here now? You’ve finally submitted. Now head on over to Myspace. Peace.

Sorry crystalclearny but the brotha has a point! lol Epidemy are you there dah’ling????? Crystal is submitting to you my love! rofl

O VANCOUVERHURTS: You are entitled to your opinion, but in fact, we both acknowleged points made by the other several pages ago, and then mutually agreed to leave it alone…Seems a few others are interested in feuling the Fires of Controversy, and fanning the flames for further “Entertainment”, or simply to prove their own points. However, It is a DONE ISSUE for the two people involved…So…Take it as you will, or however you choose to see it…but it is still OVER…Good Luck to You.

WHEN AGREEMENT IS ATTEMPTED OR WITHIN THE INTELLECTUAL AND OR SPIRITUAL REACH OF MAN AND HIS KIND OR IF ANY TWO OPPOSING HUMAN BEINGS MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING, IT THEN BECOMES THE DILIGENT AND DIVINE RESPONSIBILITY OF ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF HUMANITY TO SUPPORT SUCH ACTIVITY WITH POSITIVE DYNAMIC. WE MUST LEARN QUICKLY TO STAND AND BE COUNTED IN THE GLORIOUS SHADOW OF SUCH COURAGE, FOR IT STOUTLY REPRESENTS THE DIVINE EVOLUTION OF THE SPECIE AND BOLDLY IGNITES A DEIFIC POINT OF LIGHT FOR ALL TO WITNESS.

…IN THE SPIRIT OF LOVE TRUTH PEACE FREEDOM AND JUSTICE

I BARE WITNESS

FOREVER THY GUIDE, DEIFIC MIRROR
KEEPER OF THE FLAME AND ETERNAL BONDSMAN

PRINCE NOVA

This is a repost from the early days of this discussion

Allow me to repost it; perhaps AT THIS POINT we are ready to EXCEPT TRUTH WHEN WE HEAR TRUTH…

CONCERNING THE ANIMOSITY, BERATING AND CONFLICT

It’s non productive and it’s PRIME time to put it away

LIVE HIGHER

WHERE WERE YOU ON THE DAY THEY BROUGHT US TO AMERICA?

NOW BROTHA’S AND SISTAH’S
IN THIS WAR BETWWEN US
IT STARTED LONG AGO
WHEN WE WERE SHACKLED IN DUST

ON AN OLD COUNTRY ROAD
CHAINED TO THE RUST
WHEN UNCLE SHAM CAME THROUGH
AND PLACED US IN CUFFS

WHEN THE QUEEN WAS RAPED
THE SOLDIER PAUSED
MOTHER NATURE CRIED OUT
BUT WE WERE BOUND BY HER LAWS

PRESERVATION OF SELF
SURVIVAL OF THE FITEST
THAT’S WHEN THE WAR OF THE ROSES
IN OUR HEART DID HIT US

SHE COULDN’T UNDERSTAND
AND I COULDN’T COMMUNICATE
WE MUST STUDY THAT MARK
WHEN WE STUDY OUR FATE

THE ENEMY OF THE STATE
AND WHAT ENGENDERED THE HATE
NOW TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR RAKE
BEFORE THE DAY GETS LATE

‘CAUSE IN OUR HEART GREW THE SEED
OF SHAME AND DISGRACE
AND ALL THEM TEARS IN HER EYES
I COULDN’T LOOK AT HER FACE

SHE WASN’T MADE TO UNDERSTAND
BUT IN HER HEART SHE FELT
NEXT TIME YOU RAISE YOUR HAND
LOOK AT THE CARD SHE WAS DELT

PUT IT AWAY

TO MY BROTHA’S

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT FROM THE DAY OF SLAVERY OUR RESPONSE TO HER RAPE HAS FUELLD A 7 GENERATIONAL RAGE AGAINST THE KING?

WE CAN’T GO BACK

LET US SINCERELY APOLOGIZE FOR OUR FOREFATHERS

BUT NOW IT’S TIME TO MOVE ON

WE MADE IT, WE SURVIVED.

STAND UP

FOREVER THY GUIDE, DEIFIC MIRROR
KEEPER OF THE FLAME AND ETERNAL BONDSMAN

Prince Nova

LOL It’s me! Looks like they have gone home. Awww party’s over! Hi PrinceNova this article is a wrap!

This was a really quality post…

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THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO PRINCE NOVA

1 GOD

1 ORDER

1 SPIRIT

1 PEOPLE

1 EARTH

1 LOVE

YOU CAN HAVE YOUR MVP’S FROM JOHNNY UNITAS TO PAYTON

I’MA GO ELWAY

CHECK THE FOOTAGE

STATS ARE NOT THE ONLY INDICATORS OF FACT

TRUTH IS

GENESIS 3:16

UNTIL WE LEARN TO FOLLOW GOD’S LAW WE WILL NEVER FLY

NEVER

ASK ORVILLE AND WILBUR WRIGHT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orville_and_Wilbur_Wright

she dont mess around
she we start some thing
u can see it and her eyes
she dont play

WHEN YOU BOTH DO CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER YOU GONNA BE LIKE A BLOOD SYSTEM WHITH NO MORE “HE” OR “SHE”, JUST “US”.
SO FROGG THE SUBMISSION BS!

ONE

ah, being single sounds really good about now. Why?

The bible says God made woman who is “comparable” to man.
When women became liberated” you’d think that men would approach us with a little more respect. Instead we got anger and disgusting displays of pride expressed through the music, popular culture and the ever popular black men who seek women outside of the race who are known to be more submissive.
In those relationships with the more submissive women, do we see upright, dutiful respectful black men? NO
What I saw was a growing popularity of abusive, adulteress relationships where in the man has all of the control. It seems to me not only do a lot of men want all the power but they require women to submit to the idea of inferiority. If they could except that women are equal & different having complimentary strengths, I don’t think the problem would be as disastrous as it is.

There is a difference between equality and position.
A CEO in a company is no better human being then anyone in his or her company, however the employee has a duty to the CEO and in which he/she should be grateful for because the employee not only has the option of working for someone else but the same God given potential to RUN THEIR OWN Company just like they do. Servitude is high calling. Men need to understand this because it is a CHOICE not a Surrender.

Christs life wasn’t taken from him HE LAID IT DOWN.

that’s all, Alpha & Omega forever, T.

Comedienne Mo’Nique Urges Women To Submit To Their Men

IT’S WILL BE KIND OF HARD FOR A BLACK MAN OR A BLACK WOMEN TO SUBMIT TO EACH OTHER WITH ALL THAT UNTRUSTWORTHY,DISHONESTY,THOSE LIES,SCHEMES,TRICKS THAT PEOPLE WILL PLAY WHICH IS CALLED THOSE FOOLISH GAMES OF LIFE.

EVEN THOUGH Mo’Nique SAYS THAT SHE IS SUBMITTED TO HER MAN SHE STILL GOES AROUND SHAKING HER AZZ IN THOSE OTHER MANS FACE AND I KNOW THAT HER MAN CAN NOT BE TO HAPPY WITH THAT.

HOW CAN ANY WOMAN SUBMIT TO HER MAN AND SHE ACTS OUT JUST LIKE A LOSE HOE?

YOU WOMEN DON’T FOLLOW THE BIBLE IN THE CORRECT WAY WHEN IT COMES TO A RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU ARE SOME BACKWARDS THINKING DUMB HOES.

I urge her to submit to a razor.

A RAZOR! DAMN WHAT IS THAT RAZOR FOR?

Maybe I am wrong but didn’t Monique say she is in an open marriage? She can’t tell me anything, She doesn’t even have a marriage.

I dont think any woman out there would have a problem submiting to her man if her man was her soulmate.My parents had the most wonderful relationship i have ever seen in my life.It’s like they thought alike and were always on the same page.

My parents also worked together to not upset the other one.My mom had no problem following my dad.My dad didnt abuse his authority as a man either.

To sum it up, you just need compatible people.Submiting to a fool just because he’s a man isnt going to get anybody anywhere.

I think that why they have so many mail order bride services.

Ming Lee will be glad to be talked down too.Afterall you’ve spent a fat grip on getting her here,why wouldnt she?

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO HANG THAT NASTY AND INFECTIOUS VIRUS AND DISEASE CARRYING AND PASSING UGLY DOG FACE (closedonaccountof_rain) ON A TREE IN THOSE DEEP DARK WOODS AND THEN BURN HER UP TO A CRISP BECAUSE SHE IS OF NO GOOD TO THESE BLACK PEOPLE.

THIS UGLY DOG FACE INTERNET DEVIL ACTUALLY ENJOYS SEEING OR HEARING ABOUT YOU BLACK PEOPLE WHEN YALL GET HURT,SENT TO JAIL OR EVEN GETS KILLED.

SHE WAS PUT HERE BY THOSE STUPID RACIST WHITE MEN TO TRY AND WIPE OUT AS MANY BLACK PEOPLE AS SHE POSSIBLY CAN BECAUSE THE WHITE MEN KNOW THAT SHE TRULY HATES HER OWN RACE OF BLACK PEOPLE.

I HATE YOU (closedonaccountof_rain).

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO KILL THAT B!TCH SO,TO BE BLESSED.

GOD WILL ALWAYS BLESS THOSE THAT KILL A LOW DOWN AND DIRTY DON’T GIVE A SH!T WICKED DEVIL.

I TRULY HATE THIS BLACK WOMAN DOG FACE INTERNET ANIMAL THAT GOES BY THE SCREEN NAME OF (closedonaccountof_rain) BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE WAS DOING TO THOSE N!GGAS/BLACK MEN FOR THOSE RACIST FOREIGNERS AND FOR THOSE RACIST WHITE PEOPLE.

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO KILL THAT B!TCH SO,TO BE BLESSED.

GOD WILL ALWAYS BLESS THOSE THAT KILL A LOW DOWN AND DIRTY DON’T GIVE A SH!T WICKED DEVIL.

IF JOB WOULD HAVE HAD THE HEART TO KILL THE WICKED DEVIL SATAN LIKE GOD WANTED FOR HIM TO WE WOULDN’T HAVE SO,MANY WICKED LOW DOWN AND DIRTY DEVILS WALKING THE FACE OF THIS PLANET EARTH TODAY.

THE HELL WITH EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU LOW DOWN AND DIRTY WICKED DEVILS SO,BURN IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER.

MAY YOUR DEAD WICKED SOUL EVER GET ANY REST BY NOT HAVING ANY PEACE.

DIE DEVIL DIE AND BURN IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER.

NO PITY AND NO SYMPATHY

WHEN YOUR TERROR COMES LIKE A STORM,AND YOUR DESTRUCTION COMES LIKE A WHIRLWIND,WHEN DISTRESS AND ANGUISH COME UPON YOU.

THEN THEY WILL CALL ON ME,BUT I WILL NOT ANSWER;THEY WILL SEEK ME DILIGENTLY,BUT THEY WILL NOT FIND ME.

BECAUSE THEY HATED KNOWLEDGE AND DID NOT CHOOSE THE FEAR OF THE LORD.

GOD WILL ALWAYS CURSE THE DEVIL.

I TRULY HATE YOU (SardiusJacinth) FOR WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING TO THOSE INNOCENT N!GGAS/BLACK MEN FROM INSIDE OF THIS NEWS ROOM.

SOMEBODY TRULY NEEDS TO KILL THIS WICKED BLACK MAN HATING ON DEVIL SO,TO BECOME BLESSED BY GOD.

THIS WICKED NON GOD FEARING IGNORANT TROUBLE MAKING INTERNET N!GGA HATING ON (sardiusjacinth) HAS BEEN HELPING OUT THOSE OTHER FOUR DANGEROUS AND WICKED MINDED DOG SMELLING INTERNET DEVILS THAT GOES BY THE NAMES OF (closedonaccountof_rain)-(fnyclightskin)-(browneye_sista)-(choklit11) PUT THOSE DEADLY HITS OUT ON THOSE N!GGAS INSIDE OF THIS NEWS ROOM BECAUSE THEY WILL REFUSE TO AGREE WITH HIM IN THOSE WRONG ANSWERS THAT HE HAS AS BEING A IGNORANT INTERNET BLACK MAN DUMMY.

BURN IN HELL YOU FILTHY ROTTED OUT BRAIN OF A IGNORANT BLACK MAN.

THIS LOW DOWN AND DIRTY DON’T GIVE A SH!T ABOUT GODS PEOPLE IGNORANT DEVIL SHOULD BE BURNT TO HIS DEATH ON A CROSS IN FRONT OF KIDS/FAMILY HOME SO,TO PAY RESPECT FOR CONTINUING TO SIN AFTER JESUS SUPPOSEDLY HAD DIED FOR HIM AND OTHERS IN THEIR LINE OF BEING SINNERS.

BURN BLACK MAN DEVIL BURN TO YOUR DEATH BECAUSE I TRULY DO HATE YOU FOR WHAT YOU WERE DOING TO THOSE BLACK WOMEN GOD SENT SONS.

NO PITY NO SYMPATHY FOR ANY OF YOU FILTHY DUMB INFECTIOUS DEVILS.

GOD WILL ALWAYS CURSE THE DEVIL.

THIS WICKED NON GOD FEARING INTERNET DEVIL DOG (byakuugan_mod) DO NOT CARE ABOUT YALL OR YALLS KIDS SO,DON’T TRUST IN HIM.THIS INTERNET FOREIGN DEVIL DOG IS WICKED AND COLD HEARTED.HE IS LOW DOWN AND DIRTY BECAUSE HE IS A EVIL AND WICKED LYING DEVIL (this evil wicked low down and dirty foreign internet devil dog was inside of this news room trying to tell those n!ggas what the hell to do).

THE HELL WITH YOU Byakuugan_Mod AND KISS ME AND THOSE ANGRY N!GGAS SWEET BLACK ROYAL BEHIND BECAUSE YOU DO NOT SCARE ANY OF US YOU FILTHY ALWAYS BEGGING TROUBLE MAKING PROBLEM CAUSING FOREIGN ANIMAL…..I CAN REMEMBER WHEN YOUR FILTHY FOREIGN BEHIND HAD TOLD ME THAT IT WASN’T ABOUT COLOR/RACE BUT,IT WAS AND IT STILL IS YOU FILTHY FOREIGN DOG BECAUSE YOU FOREIGNERS AND THOSE WHITE PEOPLE ARE TROUBLE MAKERS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THESE BLACK PEOPLE AND YOU FOREIGNERS AND THOSE WHITE PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE TROUBLE MAKERS AND PROBLEM CAUSERS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THESE BLACK PEOPLE…..SO YOU FOREIGN PEOPLE AND YOU WHITE PEOPLE BOTH CAN KISS OUR SWEET BLACK ROYAL BEHINDS BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING ABOUT YALL THAT I KNOW THAT THESE BLACK PEOPLE ARE YET TO LEARN ABOUT.

DON’T TRUST HIM OR BELIEVE IN HIM.HE IS OF NO SYMPATHY OR PITY.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY SYMPATHY OR PITY FOR YOU LOW DOWN AND DIRTY DEVILS SO LET YOUR FILTHY INFECTIOUS VIRUS AND DISEASE NO GOOD BODIES BURN TO DEATH IN HELL.

THIS WICKED NON GOD FEARING IGNORANT TROUBLE MAKING INTERNET N!GGA HATING ON (byakuugan_mod) HAS BEEN HELPING OUT THOSE OTHER FOUR DANGEROUS AND WICKED MINDED DOG SMELLING INTERNET DEVILS THAT GOES BY THE NAMES OF (closedonaccountof_rain)-(fnyclightskin)-(browneye_sista)-(choklit11) PUT THOSE DEADLY HITS OUT ON THOSE N!GGAS FROM INSIDE OF THIS NEWS ROOM BECAUSE THEY HAD/WILL REFUSE TO AGREE WITH HIM IN THOSE WRONG ANSWERS THAT HE HAS AS BEING A IGNORANT INTERNET FOREIGN DEVIL DOG.

DO TAKE NOTE THAT TO TRY AND JUDGE AS YOU BEING A SINNER YOURSELF THEN YOU SHALL BE JUDGED FOR THE SIN THAT YOU DO.

DON’T EVER AGREE WITH HIM BECAUSE HE IS BORN TO BE CONFUSED,RACIST AND FOOLISH IN THIS WORLD.

HE IS A INTERNET BACKWARDS THINKING DUMMY THAT CAN NOT BE TRUSTED.

THIS FOREIGN DEVIL DOG IS DEFINITELY CONSIDERED A INTERNET CRIMINAL WHEN IT COMES TO YOU BLACK PEOPLE.

this coming from a woman in an open marriage. smfh

I do agree that women can stand to be more submissive to their mate and allow him to take the lead in the relationship. However, here is where I have a problem with this theory. Not every man is worth submission. Not every man deserves a woman that is undoubtedly loyal to only him. Unfortunately many women chose the wrong men to submit to and this ruins the idea of love and trust within a relationship for them for life.

^^^ THAT’S THE ISSUE – FINDING THE RIGHT MAN TO BE SUBMISSIVE 2.

YOU WHITE/FOREIGN WOMEN ARE FILTHY AND INFECTIOUS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THESE BLACK MEN.

THOSE WHITE PEOPLE CARRY THOSE INFECTIOUS DISEASES AND VIRUSES CALLED LARYNGITIS,SWINE,HERPES,HEPATITIS,LYME,SYPHILIS,AIDS,PARASITES,MENINGITIS etc….BECAUSE I AM NOT TRYING TO CATCH ANYTHING THAT THOSE OTHER FILTHY INFECTED RACE OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PASSING AROUND TO YOU BLACK PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SLEEPING AROUND WITH THEM.

THAT IS NOT THE SCENT OF A WOMAN THAT IS THE ODOR OF A DOG.

I AM LOOKING FOR A BLACK MAN THAT HAS NOT EVER SLEPT OUTSIDE OF HIS RACE OF BLACK WOMAN WHO THINKS THAT HE IS HEALTHY AND ONE WHO DOES NOT BREAK OUT WITH FEVERS OR DIARRHEA.

Comedienne Mo’Nique Urges Women To Submit To Their Men

IT WILL BE KIND OF HARD FOR A BLACK MAN OR A BLACK WOMEN TO SUBMIT TO EACH OTHER WITH ALL THAT UNTRUSTWORTHY,DISHONESTY,THOSE LIES,SCHEMES,TRICKS THAT PEOPLE WILL PLAY WHICH IS CALLED THOSE FOOLISH GAMES OF LIFE.

EVEN THOUGH Mo’Nique SAYS THAT SHE IS SUBMITTED TO HER MAN SHE STILL GOES AROUND SHAKING HER AZZ IN THOSE OTHER MANS FACE AND I KNOW THAT HER MAN CAN NOT BE TO HAPPY WITH THAT.

HOW CAN ANY WOMAN SUBMIT TO HER MAN AND SHE ACTS OUT JUST LIKE A LOOSE HOE?

YOU WOMEN DON’T FOLLOW THE BIBLE IN THE CORRECT WAY WHEN IT COMES TO A RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU ARE SOME BACKWARDS THINKING DUMB HOES.

EVEY LAST ONE OF YOU WOMEN ARE SOME DUMB HOES THAT DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER TO A MAN BUT,YA’LLS FILTHY INFECTIOUS SEX.

ODELL JOSEPH CHAMBERS AIN’T NOTHING BUT,ANOTHER PIECE OF SH!T THAT HAS BEEN CONSTANTLY SUCKING ON THE STUPID WHITE MANS D!CK.

ARE YOU BLACK PEOPLE AFRAID OF THOSE STUPID INFECTIOUS VIRUS AND DISEASE CARRYING AND PASSING WHITE PEOPLE? BECAUSE I AM NOT AFRAID OF THOSE STUPID BORN MENTALLY DISTURBED OTHER COUNTRY BLOWING UP WHITE BUNCH OF SON OF A B!TCHES.

THOSE WHITE PEOPLE TRULY HATE YOU COLORED PEOPLE,WHICH MEANS YOU (blacks,haitians,africans,jamaicans etc…you know you dark skin race of people.

THOSE FILTHY AZZ WHITE WOMEN WANT TO DATE YOU BLACK MEN BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE CONTROL AND NOW THEY WANT THE POWER (black is power) AND THOSE DOG SMELLING FILTHY WHITE HOES ALSO WANT TO USE THE POWER THAT YOU BLACK PEOPLE MIGHT GIVE TO THEM FOR ONLY TO WIPE OUT YA’LLS ORIGINAL RACE OF BLACK PEOPLE.

Monique is a undercover Muslim..this plus size b***h on some other s**t…oh let me check her past..that explains why.thanks me..ole insecure fat heffa

Bullshiiiiiitttt

THOSE FILTHY DEVILS DON’T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH DATING OUTSIDE OF THEIR RACE OF NATURAL PEOPLE BECAUSE THOSE DEVILS ARE FILTHY AND DON’T MIND ABOUT HAVING FILTHY SEX….ANYTHING THAT THOSE DEVILS WILL DO TO ANOTHER PERSON BODY IS OF FILTH BECAUSE THEY ARE OF FILTH THEMSELVES BUT,THEY ARE JUST TO DUMB TO KNOW THAT.

GOD HAD KICKED SATAN THE DEVIL OUT OF HIS CLEAN SPARKLING HEAVEN BECAUSE HE WAS A FILTHY MINDED DEVIL AND THEN SATAN THE DEVIL WHO WAS KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN HAD STARTED CREATING MORE AND MORE FILTHY DEVILS JUST LIKE HIMSELF SO,TO BE ABLE TO LIVE WITH DOWN HERE ON THIS FILTHY PLANET EARTH WHERE ALL OF THOSE INFECTIOUS VIRUSES AND DISEASES ARE BEING CARRIED,SPREAD AND PASSED AROUND TO THOSE THAT DOESN’T HAVE A CLUE ON WHATS REALLY GOING ON WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING SEX AND CATCHING DISEASES OR JUST BEING SICK AND DIEING FROM IT.

I KNOW THAT THOSE DOGS AND CATS GET FLEAS WHICH ARE THOSE BLOOD SUCKING BUGS BUT,HOW ARE SOME BUGS GOING TO ALL OF A SUDDEN FORM OR RATHER GROW INSIDE OF A PERSON/HUMAN HEAD SCALP ? (i am talking about those white women with that lice,those bugs) WHAT KIND OF SH!T IS THAT

DO THOSE FILTHY WHITE WOMEN GROW LICE ON THEIR VAG!NA TO? I AM ASKING YOU BLACK MEN THAT BELIEVE IN SLEEPING AROUND WITH THEM OR DO THEY HAVE TO KEEP THEIR PUBIC HAIRS SHAVED OFF OR SOMETHING?

DOES THAT SOUND CLEAN AND HEALTHY TO YOU BLACK MEN OR DOES THAT SOUND KIND OF SICKLY AND INFECTIOUS.

THOSE FILTHY WHITE WOMEN ARE BORN SOME HUMAN DOGS OR RATHER SOME HUMAN ANIMALS.

HOW COME YOU BLACK MEN CAN NOT TELL WHEN YA’LL ARE SLEEPING AROUND WITH SOME KIND OF ANIMALS?

THAT IS NOT THE SCENT OF A WOMAN THAT IS THE ODOR OF A FILTHY ANIMAL.

I WOULD RATHER HAVE A ROACH INSIDE OF MY HOME RATHER THEN HAVING A WHITE MAN OR A FOREIGN MAN LAYING ON MY BED UP UNDER MY BLANKET.

I agree with Monique. It seems that a lot of black women feel the need to claim or be independent and are just feeding into our destruction as a people. While there is equality we each have our own roles. Too many women want to prove that they can do what a man does, which they can, however that does not mean they should! I won’t waste my time trying to convince any cause its a waste. I have a beautiful and intelligent woman who trusts and has no problem with me taking the lead. While we understand that we are both equal she doesnt let this false idea that women need to run the show to cause her to hinder me performing my duties as the head of the household. I feel sorry for the “families”(because the children are affected as well) who have to suffer because of this mind state. If you choose the wrong man, who is incapable of leading properly then that is all your own fault.

Comedienne Mo’Nique Urges Women To Submit To Their Men

IT WILL BE KIND OF HARD FOR A BLACK MAN OR A BLACK WOMEN TO SUBMIT TO EACH OTHER WITH ALL THAT UNTRUSTWORTHY,DISHONESTY,THOSE LIES,SCHEMES,TRICKS THAT PEOPLE WILL PLAY WHICH IS CALLED THOSE FOOLISH GAMES OF LIFE.

EVEN THOUGH Mo’Nique SAYS THAT SHE IS SUBMITTED TO HER MAN SHE STILL GOES AROUND SHAKING HER AZZ IN THOSE OTHER MANS FACE AND I KNOW THAT HER MAN CAN NOT BE TO HAPPY WITH THAT.

HOW CAN ANY WOMAN SUBMIT TO HER MAN AND SHE ACTS OUT JUST LIKE A LOOSE HOE?

YOU WOMEN DON’T FOLLOW THE BIBLE IN THE CORRECT WAY WHEN IT COMES TO A RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU ARE SOME BACKWARDS THINKING DUMB HOES.

EVEY LAST ONE OF YOU WOMEN ARE SOME DUMB HOES THAT DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER TO A MAN BUT,YA’LLS FILTHY INFECTIOUS SEX.

Well now this is interesting indeed. A man who understands responsibility, provides for his family by earning an honest living, is committed and faithful to his wife/significant other, is honest in all his dealings at all times and can be trusted at all times, is the type of man that would be granted a woman’s submissiveness. Problem is, too many men don’t know how to be men. However, let us not misunderstand what submissive means/entails. It does not mean you are a man’s property. It does not mean you are of no value. It does not mean you need a man’s permission to do anything (including breathe. It does not mean you have no personal identity. It doesn’t mean you can’t think for yourself. It doesn’t mean you have to put up with abuse or neglect.

DUMMY!

Comedienne Mo’Nique Urges Women To Submit To Their Men

IT WILL BE KIND OF HARD FOR A BLACK MAN OR A BLACK WOMEN TO SUBMIT TO EACH OTHER WITH ALL THAT UNTRUSTWORTHY,DISHONESTY,THOSE LIES,SCHEMES,TRICKS THAT PEOPLE WILL PLAY WHICH IS CALLED THOSE FOOLISH GAMES OF LIFE.

EVEN THOUGH Mo’Nique SAYS THAT SHE IS SUBMITTED TO HER MAN SHE STILL GOES AROUND SHAKING HER AZZ IN THOSE OTHER MANS FACE AND I KNOW THAT HER MAN CAN NOT BE TO HAPPY WITH THAT.

HOW CAN ANY WOMAN SUBMIT TO HER MAN AND SHE ACTS OUT JUST LIKE A LOOSE HOE?

YOU WOMEN DON’T FOLLOW THE BIBLE IN THE CORRECT WAY WHEN IT COMES TO A RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU ARE SOME BACKWARDS THINKING DUMB HOES.

EVEY LAST ONE OF YOU WOMEN ARE SOME DUMB HOES THAT DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER TO A MAN BUT,YA’LLS FILTHY INFECTIOUS SEX.

Why would some suggest that Mo’Nique must be a Muslim to say that women should submit to their men? That’s a Christian value and is promoted extensively by the Promisekeepers Movement (for White folks) and the Maximize Manhood ideal (for Black folks, which it turns out is still the Promisekeepers Movement). I’ve seen many a strong Black woman who had personal ambitions and goals, broken by the twisted doctrines of this very backward stuff. These men think they have ownership rights over women and the money women earn. They don’t care if their families go without as long as the church gets paid.

Thing is…Ther is a way to submit to your man but still be in charge—My grandmother always said: Pop Pop was the boss but in reality we all knew who ran the household and other business. But she made him feel in charge and made him feel like a man. Problem today is: Too many Black women have fed into the FEMINIST movement, which in actuality was not meant for them but instead white women. Nowadays women want to be on equal footing with men but still want men to open the door for them while dispargingly saying, thank you. Sorry, you can’t have it both ways and I refuse to be a eunch………

I agree with Mo’,……But to the men I’ll say this “It cuts both ways”.

of course she has to submit… she has no other choice….

what the fu$$…submission is fine if you’re role playing and its consensual…im not into this sh$$…equality, independence, freedom, wisdom…everyone is born with these necessary attributes…

GENDER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT…IGNORANT TOPIC, ARCHAIC AND NON-CHALANT…

So many positive things about our community, can we focus on our individual and collective power, our courage, our heritage, our future!

I had a woman like Monique who use to encourage me to take charge of her. During this time I found out she was a stone cold freak. Me telling her what to do while I was mad turned her on so much she sometimes she couldn’t contain herself. She was totally submissive to me and worshiped the ground I walked on. As long as I was completely honest with her about everything she was cool my authority over her. I even had to get use to being that way towards her. And I must say, she is still one of my most admired women I have in my life, and not because she was weak, because she wasn’t. She is a very successful businesswoman who is the CFO of a big time fortune 500 company. Over the years, I never had to 2nd guess her, I trusted her with my life, she had no problems letting go, and she trusted me with her true feelings. I guarantee there is another side to Monique the public would flip over if they really knew her. I still love you K. One.

Does she also agree that we should allow our men to have an open marriage with us? SMDH! As far as I am concerned, when I read of this, a reputable source, I was so shocked, that Monique would even be talking like this. As far as I am concerned, Monique and Steve Harvey are the LAST people I will take relationship/marriage advice from.

@ 5STORIES

WHEN GOD MADE WOMAN SHE WAS CREATED AS A COMPANION TO MAN NOT COMPARABLE.

NOT TO SAY THAT SHE ISN’T BUT GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

NEITHER THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG CAME FIRST

IT WAS THE ROOSTER

now get back in Line fo you get PECKED ON

NOW @ALEXANDRA_AMOR

That’s just IGNORANT

FIRST YOU MAKE A BRAZEN ACCUSATION THEN YOU SAY LET ME CHECK HER PAST

DO YOU SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE ORDER OF YOUR MIND; I MEAN STATEMENT?

WE CAN DANCE AROUND THE POINT AND PRETEND WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

WOMEN HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT MEN FOR OVER 6000 YEARS

WOMEN HAVE BEEN HARASSING MEN FOR OVER 6000 YEARS

WOMAN HAVE BEEN RAISING MEN FOR OVER 6000 YEARS

IN FACT OVER 6000 YEARS AGO A WOMAN TRICKED MAN INTO GETTING PUT OUT OF HIS OWN GARDEN

WOMAN CAN’T BE A MAN, CAN’T RAISE A MAN AND APPARENTLY FOR OVER 6000 YEARS CAN’T PICK A MAN

IMA’KEEP IT REAL, 100 AND SIMPLE

PAY ME OR PAY ME NO ATTENTION AND THAT’S IN EVERY AREA OF LIFE.

MONEY POWER AND RESPECT

ANY MAN WITH A WOMAN WHO WILL NOT SUBMIT IS A TRICK

A GOOD WOMAN WILL SUBMIT TO HER MAN AND YOU KNOW HOW YOU CAN TELL A GOOD WOMAN?

SHE CAN LOOK THAT MAN STRAIGHT IN THE EYE AND KNOW;

SHE GOT A GOOD MAN

Women don’t get it confused. Yes, I do believe that the man should be the leader of a household. Every tribe needs a leader. Submission is not really submitting…it is unconditional trust. @PrinceNova1 if indeed a woman “tricked” man into getting put out of “his” own garden, he was a weak man to start with. God told Adam specifically not to eat from that tree but he disobeyed the Supreme ruler of our lives. NEway, for a woman to completely trust a man, he must first submit to God. A man who doesn’t love his household as God loves his children doesn’t deserve that good woman who submits. Furthermore, a man must be willing to take on the role as a leader and take the stress away from his wife. A woman can’t make it without a man and a man can’t make it without a woman.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY; GOD is into creating weak men

Get behind me satan that’s were Eve should have been instead of tip towing through the tulips Cavorting with snakes

blame shifting is the greatest weakness of all humanity

that woman said Adam

that snake said Eve

man started this and man is going to end this

SO GET OUT THE WAY AND LET GOD DO HIS WORK

WANTED THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. HOW DOES IT TASTE ?

I’M NOT ADAM I’M NOVA

NOW GET OUT MY GARDEN

THOSE WHITE PEOPLE DAUGHTERS BE SLEEPING AROUND WITH ANY/MANY KIND OF D!CKS AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT COLOR THEY ARE JUST AS LONG AS THEY CAN PUT IT IN THEIR BLISTERY MOUTH,WORMY DOG BOOTY AND DOG SMELLING VAG!NA….YOU BLACK PEOPLE NEED TO TEACH YA’LLS DAUGHTERS NOT TO FOLLOW UP BEHIND THOSE STUPID FILTHY AZZ WHITE WOMEN/GIRLS THAT WILL SLEEP AROUND WITH ANYBODY OR RATHER ANYTHING WITH A D!CK SO,TO BE RAMMED AND BANGED UP HARD IN THEIR CONTAMINATED AND INFECTIOUS BLOODY BODY HOLES.

THIS IS TO YOU BLACK MEN SPECIFICALLY~THOSE WHITE/FOREIGN WOMEN/GIRLS CARRY MANY DIFFERENT KIND OF INFECTIOUS VIRUSES AND DISEASES THAT THOSE BLACK GIRLS/WOMEN DON’T CARRY.

Ugh, I just have a hard taking advice from someone that has a one sided open relationship and it is not on her side. In her case she has submitted by agreeing to allow her man to stray outside of the marriage to keep him happy in order to say she has a man. I would have more respect for her if it were a two way street.
However, in past relationships I have been in I have always had to be the one to call all the shots, make all the decisions, do everything. It is so nice to be able to hand it over and say to my man, call the shots and I will follow your lead because I trust in you. Shoot I get tired of doing it all, you men need to do something, dang. Us women want to do it all and all we are doing is making ourselves tired. There is nothing wrong with sharing the responsibility and letting the other half (hopefully equal or better half) take the reigns sometimes.

HELL YEAH,I CALLED ALL OF YOU STUPID AZZ FLEA BITTEN BUGS IN YA’LLS HAIR LIKE THOSE MANGE ANIMALS THAT YA’LL TRULY ARE WHITE WOMEN FILTHY BECAUSE YA’LL ARE AND YA’LL ARE ALSO BORN HALF DOG AND HALF HUMAN….YOU BUNCH OF DOG SH!T SMELLING HOES AND B!TCHES.

KISS OUR SWEET BLACK ROYAL AZZES….YOU BUNCH OF STUPID AZZ WHITE MF

I ALWAYS WONDERED WHY GOD WAS SPELLED BACKWARDS FROM DOG.

THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THOSE WHITE PEOPLE AND THOSE FOREIGN PEOPLE ARE BORN HALF DOG AND HALF HUMAN AND THEY TRULY DON’T AGREE WITH ANY OF GOD’S BELIEFS LIKE YOU BLACK PEOPLE DO.

THOSE OTHER RACE OF PEOPLE ARE TRULY YOU BLACK PEOPLE ENEMIES.

ABOUT THE WORST KIND OF BLACK WOMEN THAT YOU BLACK MEN CAN BECOME INVOLVED WITH ARE THOSE SO,CALLED EDUCATED BLACK WOMEN BECAUSE THEY ARE DUMB AS HELL AND ALL THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO IS HOLD YA’LL DOWN.

ABOUT THE MOST WORST FILTHIEST AND STUPIDEST WOMEN THAT YOU BLACK MEN CAN BECOME INVOLVED WITH ARE THOSE OTHER RACE OF WOMEN BECAUSE THEY ARE BORN HALF DOG AND HALF HUMAN AND THEY ARE FULL OF THOSE MANY DIFFERENT KIND OF INFECTIOUS VIRUSES AND DISEASES THAT THOSE BLACK WOMEN DON’T CARRY SO,THEREFORE THEY ARE THE ONES WITH THE CONTAMINATED BLOOD CELLS THAT GOD HAD MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE WHEN HE SAID DO NOT ACCEPT ANY BLOOD TRANSFUSION BECAUSE THE BLOOD IS CONTAMINATED WHICH IS ABOUT THE SAME AS LAYING UP WITH THOSE CONTAGIOUS MF.

AT THAT WEBSITE CALLED “BLACK PEOPLE MEET” ARE THERE ANY WHITE PEOPLE ON THAT ONE TO?

WHY DO THOSE WHITE PEOPLE BE FOLLOWING UP BEHIND YOU BLACK PEOPLE EVERYWHERE THAT YA’LL GO? IS IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PASS YA’LL THOSE DOG DISEASES THAT THEY CARRY OR RATHER HAVE

ALL OF THESE WOMEN ARE BORN DUMMIES FOR THE REASON OF THEM COMPLAINING SO MUCH.

THOSE IGNORANT RACIST WHITE MF WILL LIE TO US ABOUT MOST EVERYTHING JUST SO,THAT WE WON’T BE MOVING TO FAR UP IN THE WORLD SO,THE BEST THING FOR US TO DO IS TO START THINKING ON OUR OWN SO,TO BE ABLE TO GET AHEAD IN LIFE….THOSE STUPID RACIST LYING WHITE PEOPLE WILL COME AROUND US AS IF THEY REALLY DO CARE ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH IN LIFE BUT,THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT US BECAUSE IF THEY DID THEN WE WOULDN’T BE IN THIS SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE.

USFG

WHY DO THOSE PARASITE CARRYING AND FLEA BITTEN DOGS CONTINUE TO KEEP ON FOLLOWING US AROUND AND TRYING TO GET US TO SLEEP AROUND WITH THEM IN OUR BED UP UNDER OUR BLANKET?

GET THAT BUG OFF OF YOUR PILLOW (i tried to tell you not to let those flea bitten dogs in your house).

YA’LL BETTER LEAVE THOSE VICIOUS MANGE SMELLING DOGS ALONE BEFORE THEY BITE YA’LL AND GIVE YA’LL THE RABIES.

I STILL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU BLACK MEN DIDN’T KNOW THAT YA’LL WERE SLEEPING AROUND WITH HUMAN DOGS THOUGH? DIDN’T YA’LL EVEN TAKE A VERY GOOD LOOK AT THEIR HAIR OR RATHER SMELL THE FOUL ODOR OF THEIR BODY….SHAME ON YOU BLACK MEN FOR SLEEPING AROUND WITH THOSE HALF HUMAN FLEA BITTEN DOGS.

I CAN SOMETIMES JUST IMAGINE WHAT THE HALF HUMAN DOGS MUST SMELL LIKE GIVING BIRTH WHILE THEIR LEGS ARE WIDE THE HELL OPEN? IT MUST BE (foul foul stinky stinky funky funky).

THE ONE THING THAT I HAVE NOTICED ABOUT THOSE STUPID AZZ FILTHY BUGS IN THEIR HAIR PARASITE CARRYING AND FLEA BITTEN WHITE WOMEN IS THAT THEY WILL COME AROUND US LIKE WE REALLY WANT TO BE BOTHERED WITH THEM.

ANOTHER THING THAT I HAVE NOTICED ABOUT THOSE INFECTIOUS BOOTY HOLE HIV/AIDS CARRYING WHITE DOGS IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THEM LIKE THOSE MICRO WORM AND RABIES CARRYING MANGE ANIMALS THAT THEY ARE THEY STILL BE SITTING THERE OR STANDING THERE LIKE THOSE STUPID BAD AT COMPREHENSION BORN MENTALLY DISTURBED WHITE DUMMIES THAT THEY ARE AS IF THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE.

I WONDER WILL THEY UNDERSTAND THIS

GET
OUT!

WHY DO THOSE SKUNK SMELLING WHITE WOMEN LIKE TO PLAY IN THE MUD BY DOING THAT WRESTLING? IS IT BECAUSE OF THAT ANIMAL INSIDE OF THEM? I AM TALKING ABOUT THAT PIG

THOSE WHITE WOMEN HAVE THAT PINK PIG SKIN

THOSE WHITE PEOPLE REALLY DO LOVE THOSE DOGS AND CATS.

Michael Vicks

most black women are stuck on the thug image!! i’m a well mannered,good looking black man with ambition and goals but i find that sisters don’t even bother looking at me! i try to talk to them and all they say is i act too white and stuff! just because i can’t speak ebonics and don’t have my waistline around my knees!!

THE HELL WITH YOU TROUBLE PROBLEM CAUSING MAKING STUPID LYING AZZ WHITE PEOPLE AND YOU TROUBLE MAKING PROBLEM CAUSING STUPID LYING AZZ FOREIGN PEOPLE (in other words kiss our sweet black royal azzes).

usfg

WHAT

DID I MISS SOMETHING?

WHAT DO WHITE PEOPLE HAVE TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC?

Having read this, I see what is going on in the world. I have a pretty chick who has been so damaged by the ghetto that she does not want to see past her shades. Do I love her? Yes! How about does she think ? No! Each time I try to make an opinion about the relationship, she takes it for a fight between right and wrong. I have a strong will. I will not pass the truth for loudness and ranting. Rather, I know there is a constructive way of making a convo worth l’effort.
In all collectiveness and hospitality I offer,  she offers the reverse of control and vulnerability. I do not pride myself in the much I have done for her. I pride myself in our success as partners. Despite the amount of affection (in all dimensions) that I show, she does not see the convergence at the end of the trapezium, rather, she sees the gateway to call me a cheat and names beyond my reasoning.  I just wish she takes her heart in her hands and pray to God because I know that by the time the clock tells her its time to change, mine will have already moved on to the next one!
 
 

Lol @ black people meet, very funny, but why do you type everything in capitals? reparacion de pc

hey calling people parasites isnt something nice!
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